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At 9/5/09 08:58 AM, Obvious-M wrote: 2x XEON 3.0Ghz
4GB - 250GB
DVDRW
256MB ATI X1300

Err... I don't think I have ever encountered anyone who has a dual-socket motherboard for two Xeons. It's not common... nor even needed unless you got actual serious shit to get done. On the other hand, I think that was a typo anyways because why would you have two processors valuing anywhere from $300~1000 and a $600+ motherboard but your RAM, HDD and GPU only equal out to being worth about (At the most) $180 all together.

At 9/5/09 01:31 PM, PolishMatt wrote:

At 9/5/09 08:58 AM, Obvious-M wrote: 2x XEON 3.0Ghz
4GB - 250GB
DVDRW
256MB ATI X1300

Err... I don't think I have ever encountered anyone who has a dual-socket motherboard for two Xeons. It's not common... nor even needed unless you got actual serious shit to get done. On the other hand, I think that was a typo anyways because why would you have two processors valuing anywhere from $300~1000 and a $600+ motherboard but your RAM, HDD and GPU only equal out to being worth about (At the most) $180 all together.

It's indeed a dual socket xeon, and at that, a good rig, despite it aging. Not aimed towards desktop usage, but still pretty powerful. And for the price you got it at, I'd try to keep it. A healthy alternative to returning it could be to get a PCI ethernet adapter.

Pictured.

So Carrrrrl at work is giving me an old tower to have a play around with. Should be interesting really. Buy some cheap old parts, get a feel what it's like to build a PC. I'll keep you guys posted. May need some more help.

I'm sorry

yo ppl if u can afford it get a damn alienware its the best

At 9/6/09 11:00 PM, blackblade9 wrote: yo ppl if u can afford it get a damn alienware its the best

Troll/Fat 13 year old fag.

At 9/6/09 11:00 PM, blackblade9 wrote: yo ppl if u can afford it get a damn alienware its the best

WTF, if you're going to post atleast state facts that are right. Not bollocks like this

Gagsy, be sure to post specs/pics for us when you get that junker.

At 9/7/09 01:06 PM, steveo1259 wrote: WTF, if you're going to post atleast state facts that are right. Not bollocks like this

No, he's right.

At 9/7/09 01:09 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: No, he's right.

Oh my....:3

I think I should get Alienware just for the Vista 64 Bit.

At 9/7/09 01:20 PM, Lizzardis wrote:

At 9/7/09 01:09 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: No, he's right.

Oh my....:3

I think I should get Alienware just for the Vista 64 Bit.

lol, what a shame you already have a decent gaming computer!!!

At 9/7/09 04:17 PM, steveo1259 wrote: lol, what a shame you already have a decent gaming computer!!!

Not with 64 Bit though....NOT WITH 64 BIT!!!!! MY LIFE IS INCOMPLETE...

TSF....Hold me...*Cries*

At 9/7/09 04:20 PM, Lizzardis wrote:

At 9/7/09 04:17 PM, steveo1259 wrote: lol, what a shame you already have a decent gaming computer!!!

Not with 64 Bit though....NOT WITH 64 BIT!!!!! MY LIFE IS INCOMPLETE...

TSF....Hold me...*Cries*

But wait, what if I dual boot Vista 64 and Vista 64, then I could have 128-bit! My computer would game better than apple!

At 9/7/09 04:59 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: But wait, what if I dual boot Vista 64 and Vista 64, then I could have 128-bit!

Oh....My....God! Imagine the potential!

My computer would game better than apple!

Close....But no cigar. We all know that Apple can't be beaten on gaming! xD

Hey Matt, do you remember what you told me a while back about getting a huge RAID array?

I'm thinking about doing it.

The plan is to buy a Perc 5/i Controller, and hook it up to 4-5 of these, and then short stroke the entire array to 1TB.

If you guys don't know, short stroking is when you leave part of the disk unformatted so the system doesn't use it. The used space is on the outside of the disk, and because of physics, the outside of the disk spins faster than the inside. This means better read/write speeds, and access time. All for less than an intel SLC drive.

At 9/7/09 05:44 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Hey Matt, do you remember what you told me a while back about getting a huge RAID array?

I'm thinking about doing it.

The plan is to buy a Perc 5/i Controller, and hook it up to 4-5 of these, and then short stroke the entire array to 1TB.

If you guys don't know, short stroking is when you leave part of the disk unformatted so the system doesn't use it. The used space is on the outside of the disk, and because of physics, the outside of the disk spins faster than the inside. This means better read/write speeds, and access time. All for less than an intel SLC drive.

Somebody did that on the internet not to long ago and they used all of the drive and still managed to get over 400mbs average read speed so why you would need to short stroke the drives i dont know!

sup fellas? new here and this will be my first build. i haven't bought yet. still waiting on the new 5**** series cards to hit the market. this is what i've come up with in the past month and a half.
discuss!

THE BUILD!

At 9/7/09 05:44 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: The plan is to buy a Perc 5/i Controller, and hook it up to 4-5 of these, and then short stroke the entire array to 1TB.

Very nice. If you got the money to blow than I would say to go for it. I'll give you bonus points for coming up with the idea of using short stroking but I have my (small) doubts that it will do any note-worthy positive improvements for your speed. Besides, how much storage lost are we talking here? 10%? 25%? 50%? 99%?

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Since we're on the topic of RAIDs; I plan on getting two CaviarBlk 1TBs myself later this month and placing them under RAID0 of course. The only fact holding me back from doing this earlier is that my computer is currently rocking back and fourth on a ship somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean. It's expected to arrive at the end of the month but at this point, I think I would happy if I could access the 1TB of data on my HDD that is sitting on my desk right now.

Apparently the chipsets on my X58 SLI LE are remarkably good so I think I will just set up the RAID using the motherboard rather than going the extra mile and getting a RAID card. Though, if the performance does suck (I don't see why it would, it's just two drives it has to deal with), I will get a RAID card and oh boy, will my system rock then.

At 9/8/09 12:35 AM, RIOTinYOURcity wrote: sup fellas? new here and this will be my first build. i haven't bought yet. still waiting on the new 5**** series cards to hit the market. this is what i've come up with in the past month and a half.
discuss!

THE BUILD!

Excellent job! The only thing I would suggest is getting a pair of Sennheiser headphones instead of the generic brand you chose, and maybe a logitech mouse/keyboard too.

At 9/8/09 05:16 AM, PolishMatt wrote: Very nice. If you got the money to blow than I would say to go for it. I'll give you bonus points for coming up with the idea of using short stroking but I have my (small) doubts that it will do any note-worthy positive improvements for your speed. Besides, how much storage lost are we talking here? 10%? 25%? 50%? 99%?

I would be short stroking a 4-6tb array to only 1, so it would be a significant difference. I'm going to do more research on it to make sure I'll be getting my worths out of it. If not, I'll instead make the array out of 500GBs.

Since we're on the topic of RAIDs; I plan on getting two CaviarBlk 1TBs myself later this month and placing them under RAID0 of course.

I read something about a firmware function in the WD blacks being turned on to prevent them from being used reliably in RAID, to make you buy the RE drives. To fix it, you need to use something called WDTLER utility. Just throwing that out there, although I've never had that kind of problem with my Caviar Blues.

The only fact holding me back from doing this earlier is that my computer is currently rocking back and fourth on a ship somewhere in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean. It's expected to arrive at the end of the month but at this point, I think I would happy if I could access the 1TB of data on my HDD that is sitting on my desk right now.

We're supposed to take care of our drives, but I think they hold their own a lot better than we give them credit for. I once dropped a drive off a counter onto laminate floor, and it still worked fine.

Apparently the chipsets on my X58 SLI LE are remarkably good so I think I will just set up the RAID using the motherboard rather than going the extra mile and getting a RAID card. Though, if the performance does suck (I don't see why it would, it's just two drives it has to deal with), I will get a RAID card and oh boy, will my system rock then.

I heard the intel southbridge is great for RAID as long as you don't want RAID 5. If I have the money in pocket by the end of the year, I might try out i7. Ironically, it seems like the reasons to go i7 are all the other ones besides actual CPU performance.

At 9/8/09 06:05 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: If I have the money in pocket by the end of the year, I might try out i7. Ironically, it seems like the reasons to go i7 are all the other ones besides actual CPU performance.

I hope you're not slowly converting yourself to Intel's dark side to flatter me lol. The AMD vs. Intel debates really bring some life to thread. I would suggest waiting a few more months (End of the year?) to see what the core i3, i5 and i9s will bring to the table. From what I read from unofficial benchmarks, some will be floating below and slightly above the current i7 line up. 920 is still a beautiful piece of silicon though.

Can anyone help me?
Ok. I don't need help constructing my computer, but I do need help deciding on a screen. I want something around 24', with a resolution of at least 1950x1050. And I also want the contrast ratio to be somewhere around/over 1000:1, 5000:1.

Basically, I want a kickass screen that'll last me a while. Any recommendations?

Thanks be to anyone who helps me. :D

At 9/8/09 05:03 PM, Elder wrote: Basically, I want a kickass screen that'll last me a while. Any recommendations?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduc t.php?prodid=MO-099-SA&groupid=17&catid=
510&subcat=

30 pixels too thin :p

BBM told me to.

I'm hopefully going to be having a computer made for me and was wondering if the people here could tell me if it's worth the amount paid and if it's good enough. It's hopefully going to be a gaming computer. It's also going to probably have Windows 7 installed onto it which may be an extra £65. If someone could suggest a cheaper place that is reliable to get parts, it'd be appreciated.

Thanks.

At 9/8/09 05:20 PM, BananaBreadMuffin wrote:

At 9/8/09 05:03 PM, Elder wrote: Basically, I want a kickass screen that'll last me a while. Any recommendations?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduc t.php?prodid=MO-099-SA&groupid=17&catid=
510&subcat=

30 pixels too thin :p

That looks great, thanks! :D

At 9/8/09 05:39 PM, Lost-Chances wrote:

BBM told me to.

I'm hopefully going to be having a computer made for me and was wondering if the people here could tell me if it's worth the amount paid and if it's good enough. It's hopefully going to be a gaming computer. It's also going to probably have Windows 7 installed onto it which may be an extra £65. If someone could suggest a cheaper place that is reliable to get parts, it'd be appreciated.

Thanks.

Is that eBuyer? If so, great site. Only suggestion is to hold off even a month or two for DX11 cards. When they get released, expect huge price drops on the card you have picked out.

Look alive boys, the i5s have finally arrived. As a quick break down, this how what's going to happen.

Intel is bringing a new socket series (Socket 1156) to the table and bringing a new line (Core i5) of processors (750 2.66GHz) for that socket while also throwing in a few new Core i7s (860 2.80GHz, 870 2.93GHz) which will be also for the 1156 and NOT the 1366 (Yes, confusing).

Those processors are being released today and will be sporting duo-channel memory instead of triple-channel. The 1156 is meant to become the new mainstream Socket in replacing the aging old 775 which every Intel processor had been sitting on before the i7s from last year Q4.

Intel now has low cost solutions for high performance. For $209.99, this may be where AMD will have to REALLY step up their game because.. well... they just do. The motherboard are also surprisingly cheap if you check them out on Newegg. Frenchie, you still interested in some Intel loving?

Core i5 is attractive, it is, but there's one MAJOR factor that made me know I wouldn't like i5 from the beginning.

PCI-e bandwidth.

The new i5 has only 24 TOTAL pci-e lanes to be shared on a motherboard. That means even the flagship i5 boards will only run SLI and Crossfire at 8x/8x. A 5870 is about as powerful as a 295, meaning it's going to saturate every bit of an x16 slot. This is fine if it's my only high-bandwidth add-in card, but remember I'm going to have a RAID controller running off of pci-e. So when I drop that second PCB in, the bandwidth is shared, and my GPU is starved. Most importantly, the pci-e lanes are integrated into the cpu, meaning there's no way for a bandwidth expanding chip like the NF200 to be used. In other words, i7 or bust.

This is why I can't deny 1156 is ahead of the phenom IIs, and yet am3 is still a more viable platform for me. High end am3 provides me the delicious bandwidth to everything in my proposed system, even if I miss out on those 8 threads of juicy goodness.

At 9/8/09 10:03 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: PCI-e bandwidth.

Yeah.. that was a bitch move on Intel's part. I can see how that is going to reduce sales by a huge margin. At least Intel also didn't hope on the 32nm wagon, that gives AMD some time to catch up.

At 9/8/09 06:59 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Is that eBuyer? If so, great site. Only suggestion is to hold off even a month or two for DX11 cards. When they get released, expect huge price drops on the card you have picked out.

I'm doing so anyway really because I can't do anything with the parts without Windows 7 to run it and that's released at the end of October. Thanks for the advice though, I may be able to pick up some better cards for roughly the same price then.

At 9/9/09 05:00 AM, PolishMatt wrote:

At 9/8/09 10:03 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: PCI-e bandwidth.

Yeah.. that was a bitch move on Intel's part. I can see how that is going to reduce sales by a huge margin. At least Intel also didn't hope on the 32nm wagon, that gives AMD some time to catch up.

I just realized, that likely gives them the ability to put more lanes on the CPU, if the socket was designed with that in mind. Intel has a habit though of making it's "extra feature" chips extreme edition.

As for AMD, they have just as much chance to catch up as they ever did. They managed to pull the 4xxx series out of a hat, so who knows what or when the Phenom IIIs may do.

At 9/9/09 06:19 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: As for AMD, they have just as much chance to catch up as they ever did. They managed to pull the 4xxx series out of a hat, so who knows what or when the Phenom IIIs may do.

I'm predicting them to be on par by 2011.

Dx11 launch today.