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Posted at: 12/30/08 09:38 PM

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Hey guys. I have no experience building a computer at all, from a glance, it does not look that hard.

Could you possibly list parts for my needs.

I am on a low budget. I want to run xubuntu and enough to run any C++ IDE. No real need for graphical output but a GPU would be usefull. What's the cheapest I can get then. Also, is the bootloader actually on the motherboard its self?

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Posted at: 12/31/08 12:32 AM

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I'm going to give you some incredibly, incredibly rough parts. If anyone wants to build a better one, be my guest, but here's some an idea/price range. I'm not even sure if these are really the greatest working together, so you'll want to do some research beforehand.

Moterboard. $69.99 has on board video and audio, so no need for either of those really.
Processor. $49.50 Power Supply. $99.99, 20 dollar mail in rebate.
Optional Video card. $129.99, 15 dollar mail in rebate.
RAM. 54.99, 24.99 after mail in rebate.
HDD. $49.99.
Case. $69.99, $39.99 after mail in rebate.
CD/DVD Burner. $19.99.

You have your operating system already, so that comes to $544.43 before the rebates (so really under 500 dollars), and that's a kick ass computer. I swear I'm forgetting a part in my tired mind, though.

As for building it, the best advice I can do is to google it. I know, I know, lazy, but the videos you'll find will be 20x better than any advice I'd give you. I still need to study them everytime I do something with my computer, just to make sure I'm not fucking up something.

So yeah, that's what it is. If it's too much, minus the graphics card, but I'd really suggest getting it. Also, Taco/Sneaky/Someone else would like to confirm that computer for me, I'd be grateful. Trying out my skill at building a computer for cheap.

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fasdfer my new parts just left the nearby UPS center. They'll be here within 6-8 hours now. Can't friggin' wait.

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Posted at: 1/2/09 08:44 PM

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At 12/31/08 12:32 AM, Jezuz wrote: Sneaky

Looks O.K. to me. If he wants to OC at all he would need an aftermarket heatsink, but it's a fine build. I'm not sure how the drivers work exactly, but he could even get some hybrid-SLI going with the onboard video and the 9800.


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So, I just installed my first SATA hard drive/my first empty hard drive. So freaking simple. 600GB more storage now, too :x Well, once it finishes formatting so I can partition it with the C drive.

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Overclocking attempt 1 complete, not sure if system is completely stable or not.

CPU - 2.83 GHz to 3.00 GHz (stock cooling)
GPU:
Core - 600 MHz to 675 MHz
Shader Clock - 1500 MHz to 1687 MHz
Memory Clock - 1000 MHz to 1125 MHz

I need to get around to doing an actual stability test. I know Prime95 is a good start, but I don't really have the time to check.

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I wish all my boards weren't so shit. I really want to try my hand at OCing something.

Installed my hard drive, no hitches at all, was easy as pie. Not noticing much performance increase with the 800MHz RAM over the 667MHz, but I wasn't expecting to get much more out of it. Going to set up my other computer with my old 667 RAM. So it'll be a 3.0GHz Core Duo, 4GB 667 RAM, Radeon x800 (I still love you, little guy :(), and 300GBs of hard drive space. Not bad for a computer built off of scrap parts. Now I just need to find a CD drive somewhere >_> I have an external one, but it just looks cheesy having a big gaping hole in the front. I think I have one in my computer with the dead motherboard or something...won't display anything when I try to boot :\ It's a good scrapper though. Plus I can try to take it apart and put it back together and not worry about breaking anything.

On another note, more needy note, while I'm typing with Mozilla (don't notice it with Word Processor or anything, not that I use that a lot), I notice that at random my cursor will turn into the "Thinking" cursor, and then it exits out of my typing, as in, it makes it seem like I clicked out of the window. I've done virus scans, I look at my processes while it does it...haven't noticed anything, but I never am able to get into the processes while it's still clocking, as it only lasts about 5 seconds. Still enough to be really annoying.

Any idea what this could be? My anti-virus software is Trend Micro, and I use Spysweeper also. It's worth noting that they're both very out of date (3-6 months), because I can't afford to renew them. What's that free shit everyone uses, and is it safe?

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Believe me, OCing is a bitch. 8 hours of prime, check back, bios, repeat. Since people are asking a lot, I might as well put together a guide as best I can. There are a few different stress testing programs that can be used, but I'll cover the two I'm familiar with.

USING AND ANALYZING A STABILITY TEST

Getting started

Before you open up that stability program, you need a temperature monitoring program. I recommend realtemp, as it works best with newer 45nm CPUs. Temperature is a huge limiting factor, and will probably be your first hurdle if you own a quad. Most higher OCs on quads require liquid cooling, while the Duos will still need some form of high end air.

Which do I use?

Traditional torture testing takes hours, but this is where IBT shines. In a half hour, your system has been so worked that stability can be confirmed. The problem is, it raises temperatures 10-15C higher than other tests. If you don't mind seeing numbers in a danger zone, and are short on time, use Intel Burn Test.

Prime95 is more thorough in its testing options. It has 3 different tests to choose from, each doing something different. Programmed to run in the background, it only uses idle clock cycles, meaning you can even game while running it. (Although I wouldn't recommend it.)

Learn2Prime95

When you open Prime, you will be confronted with 3 tests that you can run. If this is the first time you're opening it after new settings in the bios, then select small FFTs. This stresses the CPU very hard, but other components stay idle. You will need to run prime for 4-8 hours to confirm stability Process of elimination, if you fail this test, settings having to do with your CPU will need tweaking.

What, you passed 6 hours of small FFTs? Fuck you. Next is the blend test. This is more of a memory stress than the processor. Being good in small FFTs but not blend means the memory needs tweaking. 4-8 hours here too.

If you pass both of these, you can probably say you're stable. But for those with OCD, how about you run a pass of large FFTs. If you pass this with acceptable temperatures, then welcome to your new overclock. Prime95 temps will be 5-10C higher than gaming, so don't pull the plug just because you see 60s.

Learn2IBT

Intel burn test is much more straight-forward. Open it up, and you'll be faced with a firey red command prompt. Fitting. Turning error detection off gives you a few goodies, such as how many gigaflops you're achieving. For maximum stress, dial 1. For full stability, 20 passes is suitable.

If you turned error detection off, then you are the judge of stability. For each completed pass, compare the residual to the residual(norm). If they match, that test was passed. You will see very high temperatures on this program. Don't worry, as long as they don't break 80s. Then worry. Your computer will be almost completely bricked during IBT, because it uses almost every scrap of system resources. And yes, a BSoD does mean you failed IBT.

Congratulations, you now know how to test stability. Behold the endless cycle of trial and error that is overclocking. Anyone with anything else to add feel free, because I know I didn't cover everything.


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Posted at: 1/5/09 04:15 PM

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Kay gaywads. I'm back with a question.

I might be getting a new 22" monitor. Was thinkin' bout getting a 24" but my fps will drop. I was looking at some computer room pictures and saw someone's monitor and I was like, HOLY SHIT that's big I bet it's a 24" or bigger, but it was actually just a 22".

I think a 22" will be okay and won't eat too much of my fps. Also cheaper.

My problem is I don't know which one to get.

I've got this one and this one on my mind. Sorry for it being polish but the tech specs are understandable. If you're curious, 1 USD, is about 3 PLN. The tax is already included in the price in Poland though.

I want a dvi monitor that's 22", 2 ms or 5ms, that doesn't have shit colors, dead pixels, etc. Nothing too low pl0x.

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I havent built a computer for myself, i build them to others. They pay me a lot of money. I buy used Thinkpads and pimp them.

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Fuck me my motherboard stopped working, and won't boot or post, on different power supplies, with and without RAM or the CPU.

Great. If I can't get the RMA approved for it, I will now have a fancy $250 doorstop.

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Does it at least give a long beep or show something on the led or whatever? Get your manual out and figure out what your MB is telling you!


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At 1/6/09 04:52 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Does it at least give a long beep or show something on the led or whatever? Get your manual out and figure out what your MB is telling you!

It's reasons like those I dislike the lack of internal speakers on motherboards.

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At 1/6/09 04:52 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Does it at least give a long beep or show something on the led or whatever? Get your manual out and figure out what your MB is telling you!

Does nothing, and I know someone who has a spare processor. If it does boot with that processor, then I am fucked, since an overclocked processor = big no no with computers.

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At 1/6/09 06:57 PM, SniperWolf1564 wrote: big no no with computers.

Correction = warranty.

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At 1/6/09 07:31 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote:
At 1/6/09 07:04 PM, TacoFreak wrote: Hey guise
Sup?

Nothin much, you?

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Posted at: 1/8/09 03:20 AM

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Formatted my PC today. It's all nice and shiny now.

SPEAKERS WON'T SHUT THE FUCK UP. Hissing noise. Constantly. Plus crackling. What the fuck man? They're only a year old and never go above about half way up. What could the deal be? $100 Bose speakers and they break within a year?

WINDOWS 7 BETA ON THE 9TH OMG OMG. Seriously, I can't wait to try this out. I've actually heard decent things about it from the pirates.

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At 1/8/09 03:20 AM, Jezuz wrote: WINDOWS 7 BETA ON THE 9TH OMG OMG. Seriously, I can't wait to try this out. I've actually heard decent things about it from the pirates.

I'll wait for the official release and for my next build for 7. I'm fine with vista for now and I'm not spending 2 days formatting my raid array just to have to format it again the next time I switch MBs.


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im thinking of makeing my own computer i just need some help wih brands and parts im not rich so help?

i need parts to fit a pentium 4

and min 2.6Ghz prosesor

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At 1/8/09 07:40 AM, benavides20 wrote: im thinking of makeing my own computer i just need some help wih brands and parts im not rich so help?

i need parts to fit a pentium 4

and min 2.6Ghz prosesor

You're using a Pentium 4 in a new computer? As I've learned, there's something called "bottlenecking", which essentially means all your new parts won't work nearly as well because of another part. I'd suggest looking for the post where I put together a hypothetical 500 dollar computer. That thing is a beast.

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At 1/8/09 08:11 AM, Jezuz wrote:
That thing is a beast.

For the price, I meant to say.

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ok so Dual core?

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someone tell me what cheap internal 500gb hard drive I should buy and I will

if you can find higher specs for a very cheap price then let me know too

ps I live in the UK and use the pound sterling

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At 1/8/09 08:17 AM, benavides20 wrote: ok so Dual core?

Yeah, that's your best bet for right now.

At 1/8/09 08:21 AM, Earfetish wrote: someone tell me what cheap internal 500gb hard drive I should buy and I will

if you can find higher specs for a very cheap price then let me know too

ps I live in the UK and use the pound sterling

Being from the U.S., I have not a fucking clue where you can get this from. Just search the serial number on Google. Best I can do right now, sorry.

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This is more a matter of opinion, but, I think I need to consider it. I move back and forth between my dad's every other weekend, and I drag my computer along with me. Of course I'm careful, but I'm worried about my hard drives. They've beeen doing fine so far, but I was thinking of making the investment in 3 250 gig SSDs in raid 0. This would be more reliable since SSDs are just huge Usb sticks, and wouldn't be so prone to the vibrations and bumps of transport. Is it worth the trouble?


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Update: looked at prices and gawked at myself for considering it. Also:

Woah.

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At 1/11/09 08:27 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Update: looked at prices and gawked at myself for considering it. Also:

Woah.

Imagine 3 295s on there.

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I decided not to sell my 9600 GT and PSU so I can buy a better GPU and Power Supply so that I can play on a 1920 x 1200 resolution and get decent FPS. Why? Because it's not worth it. It's just a waste of cash really. Besides, I'm fine with a 17".

I'm just gonna save up and get a completely new computer in a year. I wonder what CPU and GPU I'll get then.

You guys up for running 3dmark06 with Intergrated cards and seeing who has best score?

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