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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-11 18:32:00 Reply

At 6/11/09 06:20 PM, BananaBreadMuffin wrote:
At 6/11/09 05:41 PM, Fleshlight wrote:
At 6/11/09 05:12 PM, steveo1259 wrote: i found this online but its in english pounds and you would need to upgrade the graphics soon as that one only has intergrated but otherwise its fine

linky
isn't that like 800 bucks?
God no. A year ago, maybe. Now that's like ~$600 probably

yeah I don't keep up with the currency, but that's still a little pricey.

What about PCs on this site: http://www.pricewatch.com/computer_syste ms_no_os/
This specific page says the PCs have no OS, but my brother can hook me up with one. Just don't know which specs are best for what I want

This one can be custom made, but that might end up costing too much.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-11 19:29:03 Reply

It's understandable that you just want a baseline computer to add on to, but the fact is, building from scratch is the way to go. You will get your baseline computer for cheaper, have more reliable parts installed, and have an unlocked bios, giving you much more freedom in upgrades/Overclocking.

If you really don't want to be bothered with building your own computer, try to find someone who will, even if you have to pay them, it will probably still be much cheaper.

On another note,

NOT RMA!

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-11 20:18:08 Reply

How much do you think I'll have to pay to get a decent PC? How long does this usually take (including shipping time)? My brother can probably build one, but he says I should just buy something with a good motherboard and a graphics card then go on from there.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-11 21:01:18 Reply

At 6/11/09 08:18 PM, Fleshlight wrote: How much do you think I'll have to pay to get a decent PC?

Depends what you want to do with it. I say 600$ without the monitor.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-11 21:07:38 Reply

At 6/11/09 09:01 PM, PolishMatt wrote:
At 6/11/09 08:18 PM, Fleshlight wrote: How much do you think I'll have to pay to get a decent PC?
Depends what you want to do with it. I say 600$ without the monitor.

fuck that, I'll just order the $200 starter PC


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-11 21:28:19 Reply

At 6/11/09 09:07 PM, Fleshlight wrote: fuck that, I'll just order the $200 starter PC

You will get nothing but trash for 200$ if your intetions are to play a few modern games or want to upgrade it at all in the future.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-12 18:27:24 Reply

So I decided to mod my 7750/9600gt rig on the side so I have something to do while I'm at my dad's. I put new thermal paste on my GPU. It's running 9C lower now. This is good to know because now that my gaming rig is up again, my 280 has been loading 86C, AT STOCK!

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-12 21:07:07 Reply

At 6/12/09 06:27 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: So I decided to mod my 7750/9600gt rig on the side so I have something to do while I'm at my dad's. I put new thermal paste on my GPU. It's running 9C lower now. This is good to know because now that my gaming rig is up again, my 280 has been loading 86C, AT STOCK!

Just made like 500$ from selling some of my musical instruments that I don't use anymore and can't take with me when I move back to Europe later this month. Just a bit more added on top of that and what I got now and I might soon be to build a rig that will have the up coming Six-core Intel Nahalem processors that should be in stores by fourth quarter this year. Poor days for AMD, at least they're winning with prices.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-12 22:10:33 Reply

At 6/12/09 09:07 PM, PolishMatt wrote:
At 6/12/09 06:27 PM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: So I decided to mod my 7750/9600gt rig on the side so I have something to do while I'm at my dad's. I put new thermal paste on my GPU. It's running 9C lower now. This is good to know because now that my gaming rig is up again, my 280 has been loading 86C, AT STOCK!
Just made like 500$ from selling some of my musical instruments that I don't use anymore and can't take with me when I move back to Europe later this month. Just a bit more added on top of that and what I got now and I might soon be to build a rig that will have the up coming Six-core Intel Nahalem processors that should be in stores by fourth quarter this year. Poor days for AMD, at least they're winning with prices.

Intel's been doing a lot of shifty stuff with their whole two socket deal, I don't like it. Not to say they don't make good CPUs, but from a price and logical standpoint, their marketing department must of gotten a hold of some shrooms. You said you do a lot of heavy CPU stuff, so you'd probably be happy with i7/i5/lynnfield/OH FUCK WHATS IT CALLED.

Anyways, matte > gloss.

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-12 23:39:12 Reply

What's the point in have 6 cores if hardly anything take advantage of 4 cores? Especially if 8 are "hyper threading" (quad and i7). I guess its a chip for music editors and graphics designers?


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 02:40:48 Reply

At 6/12/09 11:39 PM, TheWolfe wrote: What's the point in have 6 cores if hardly anything take advantage of 4 cores? Especially if 8 are "hyper threading" (quad and i7). I guess its a chip for music editors and graphics designers?

That last comment is absolutely correct and I'm a heavy multi-tasker that will actually do more if he just has more power to do it with. It's correct that there aren't many programs that can take advantage of its 6 cores simutaneously but you are also missing the fact that Intel makes processors that are capable of carrying out a lot more sets of instructions than maybe a company like AMD, which is also the reason why they keep staying ahead of the pack.

Those 6-cores will have some improved memory controllers, shrink size, amount of cache and new instructions that it can execute. Also, for those who don't know; the 6-cores will have the same LGA1366 sockets as the i7s today so if prices for motherboards continue to drop, than by the time the 6-cores will come around, a really good mobo will be possible to be pick upped for probably as little as 200$.

And finally; there are programs out there that have already been written to be able to sync work among up to 128 cores. Oh man, add another 9800GTX, a Rampage II, 6GB DDR3-2000, RAID Controller, Liquid cooling system, Another Samsung 24" and another 1TB for RAID. Sick.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 02:59:06 Reply

At 6/13/09 02:40 AM, PolishMatt wrote:
That last comment is absolutely correct

Lol I love how you don't talk much in this thread, but when you do, it's an essay of knowledge. I always look forward to your input :3

I guess my only question is...what kind of program utilize such power?

AKA: WHAT PROGRAMZ R U UZIN' WIT 6 COREZ?


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 04:06:52 Reply

At 6/13/09 02:59 AM, TheWolfe wrote: Lol I love how you don't talk much in this thread, but when you do, it's an essay of knowledge. I always look forward to your input :3

Once again, I do it for the bettering and benefit of people who take the time to read it. No need for thank yous.

AKA: WHAT PROGRAMZ R U UZIN' WIT 6 COREZ?

How's Autodesk 3DSMax 2010 or Autodesk AutoCad LT 2009. Windows 7 will have great support for it and making sure to utilize it the best out of any other OS out there. I know Linux has been getting some tune ups under the hood and finally being able to utilize 128 cores with its latest 9.06 installment.

Many of Adobe's Masterclass of suits for CS4 can utilize not just a lot of cpu cores but also the gpu that should be doing all the work to begin with (Considering that it's responsible for bit-map mesh rendering and algorithms and if you think about it; those are basically the most important and challenging components to handle within the program.

I would also like to watch a 1080P movie playing while I have msn and Firefox opened up on two displays. I can sort of do it already with my current set-up but if I want to move windows or go any more steps further into stressing the processor, it will eventually start becoming very slow.. and I don't like that.

Because the new chips will be able to carry out more complete instructions in every cycle (Lets say an average processor would do like 4 in every cycle, well this thing would do like 18) and have the large aid of having 12 completely opened threads, there is a sickening amount of power there. Because it's also smaller shrink size as already mentioned, the memory controller is smaller and faster, the amount of cache is nearly doubled and the gates still work fine with such narrow circuit paths

And surprisingly, the size of the transistors and gates inside the chips are exponentially coming to their tipping points of not being able to allow atoms to cross their paths without flying out and causing a unreliable processor. Lukily they will most likely change the materials they change, such as Silicone to Graphene which will apparently allow us to go even smaller and further to the ultimate goal of making a 1nm chip (Silicone can't allow anything smaller than 16nm to function properly).

There are also a few other g_d materials that apparently will change the computing world forever but I don't remember what they were anymore. I want a quantum computer, that's for sure. For those who don't know what it is, watch this video and be amazed. Link. I'm going to sleep.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 10:19:51 Reply

At 6/13/09 04:06 AM, PolishMatt wrote: I would also like to watch a 1080P movie playing while I have msn and Firefox opened up on two displays. I can sort of do it already with my current set-up but if I want to move windows or go any more steps further into stressing the processor, it will eventually start becoming very slow.. and I don't like that.

Don't you only have a C2D? If so, a quad would probably handle that fine, no need for i7.

How do you think I feel trying to compile 1600p media while downloading porn?

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 12:11:46 Reply

At 6/13/09 04:06 AM, PolishMatt wrote: Link. I'm going to sleep.

1minute in: Ok, this guy is weird.
3minutes in: Ok, I got this.
5minutes in: FOCUS man FOCUS. LISTEN TO WHAT HE'S SAYING. TRY TO UNDERSTAND.
10minutes in: BOOM

Yeah, I didn't make it more than 10min in without having a heart attack. Looks more like science shit than computer shit.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 12:15:25 Reply

At 6/13/09 10:19 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Don't you only have a C2D? If so, a quad would probably handle that fine, no need for i7.

I'm sick and tired of staying in the middle, I want some supreme performance, pronto.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 12:17:25 Reply

At 6/13/09 12:15 PM, PolishMatt wrote:
At 6/13/09 10:19 AM, ThoseSneakyFrench wrote: Don't you only have a C2D? If so, a quad would probably handle that fine, no need for i7.
I'm sick and tired of staying in the middle, I want some supreme performance, pronto.

Where are you getting all this cash flow?

Drug lord!


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 12:50:46 Reply

At 6/13/09 12:17 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Where are you getting all this cash flow?

Drug lord!

I posted this earlier.

At 6/12/09 09:07 PM, PolishMatt wrote:

Just made like 500$ from selling some of my musical instruments that I don't use anymore and can't take with me when I move back to Europe later this month.

As you can see, I stated I would be going back to Europe and couldn't take all my stuff with me so naturally this is what I had to do. Plus I don't really spend money on anything so it adds up, I also fix compters for people and get cash from that. Easy money.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 16:55:51 Reply

Yo matt...how old are you? What do you do for a living? Did you go to college?

You seem like this random genius who came outta no where...who ARE you?

:3


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 17:10:11 Reply

At 6/13/09 04:55 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Yo matt...how old are you? What do you do for a living? Did you go to college?

You seem like this random genius who came outta no where...who ARE you?

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You're too kind, serial. Think of me as a kid that is about to turn 18, is moving out of Canada to Poland and does nothing but think all day and hypocrites everything he says. And I'm doing my final grade 12 exams this week, so I'm basically done high school.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 17:55:09 Reply

At 6/13/09 05:10 PM, PolishMatt wrote: You're too kind, serial. Think of me as a kid that is about to turn 18, is moving out of Canada to Poland and does nothing but think all day and hypocrites everything he says. And I'm doing my final grade 12 exams this week, so I'm basically done high school.

I just enjoy it when someone takes the time to type out all their thoughts and explain most everything. Even though that quantum computer link destroyed half my brain.
Wow, so are you going to some Polish college? Only 17 and a senior? Im 17 and I'm a junior =(
But you'll be 18 soon so I guess you're technically a year older than me.

So, how did you get into computers and where do you get your info? I usually browse overclock.net and if I see something I don't get, I google it.

EG. just the other day I googled what RAID meant, and now I have a grasp on it. But still have yet to actually DO it yet, seeing as how I have a single 640GB HDD. I guess that's something someone with tons of little SDD drives would do?


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-13 19:53:46 Reply

At 6/13/09 05:55 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Wow, so are you going to some Polish college?

I'm anticipating for University.

But you'll be 18 soon so I guess you're technically a year older than me.

August 6th, 1991.

So, how did you get into computers and where do you get your info?

I get my info from sites and than think about it a lot.. my dad use to give me a lot of pointers and facts because he did a collage course for being a Network Administator and now he's pretty pro.

I guess that's something someone with tons of little SDD drives would do?

Almost every sort of person does it to some sort of different degree. As mentioned previously, I'm already dead set on to create a RAID when I purchase my next 1TB finally. Gamers do it, power users do it, scientists do it, data companies do it, bunch of people.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-14 17:02:52 Reply

At 6/13/09 05:10 PM, PolishMatt wrote:
At 6/13/09 04:55 PM, TheWolfe wrote: Yo matt...how old are you? What do you do for a living? Did you go to college?

You seem like this random genius who came outta no where...who ARE you?

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You're too kind, serial. Think of me as a kid that is about to turn 18, is moving out of Canada to Poland

dude fuck that

I moved from Canada to Poland at age 11 and I regret it

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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-14 19:49:52 Reply

My family from decades ago is from Poland.

What's with all of us being Poles???


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-14 20:45:01 Reply

At 6/14/09 05:02 PM, TacoFreak wrote: I moved from Canada to Poland at age 11 and I regret it

You think Poland sucks, if you were old enough to remember Canada, you wouldn't be regretting it. Aside from the fact that I'm getting a Benz for a car and a home to live in that will be twice of what I am in currently; the education there rocks and I can make easy money with my bilingual abilities. Also, I'm going to be 18 and that implies that I will be able to do what I have been doing all this time; legally and without the bother of the concern of my dad. Canada blows, kid; don't come here.


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Response to Computer Construction Crew 2009-06-15 23:46:44 Reply

Heyyy. I've been looking for a new computer for quite some time now and I have to say it's very complex. 'Don't use this memory board with an NVIDIA card or it'll burn your house down!' I congratulate each and everyone of you who dare take on the chalange of researching and building a rig.

The main reason I posted though is I found this. I think it's a very good deal and I could probably chop off $100 if I find my own keyboard and mouse. I'm surprised with the results of the graphics card. So I figure perfect! It'll be good for another 5 years! So I come to this fine establishment to ask if it is indeed, a good deal. Or any tweaks on it? I'm not looking for a god computer. In fact, I'm trying to stay behind a generation to keep cheap.

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At 6/15/09 11:46 PM, mooguy wrote: Heyyy. I've been looking for a new computer for quite some time now and I have to say it's very complex.

I would call it relatively easy. Everything is difficult at start, it's at the end that it matters and in comparison to other hobbies, this would be in the middle of the spectrum. I would also highly suggest any under the ages of 13 of not even bothering to enter this sport for the sake of the elderly having to deal with endless stream of irrelevant questions and due to the fact that one needs a large sum of money and being reckless and over confident typically leads to seeing smoke rise from a piece of hardware that some parent just paid five bills for.

'Don't use this memory board with an NVIDIA card or it'll burn your house down!' I congratulate each and everyone of you who dare take on the chalange of researching and building a rig.

I have been in this field for years and to my surprise; have never read a warning lable with those words, even though it's true... if one has the intelligence of a cat and some how manages to fuck everything in the book (Nothing wrong will happen if you simply follow the guide lines and use common sense).

The main reason I posted though is I found this. I think it's a very good deal and I could probably chop off $100 if I find my own keyboard and mouse.

I could build a better computer for half the price (while wearing a blindfold of course), make it look sick and not like a piece of plastic molded shit and not be a douche bag at the same time.

I'm surprised with the results of the graphics card. So I figure perfect! It'll be good for another 5 years!

I give it 2.5 years, if not just 2 for staying to standards for the best games to be released. Pick up a 9800GTX as also shown in those charts of you will be more than fine playing 95% of the hottest and most modern titles available today. And for the love of god; don't fall into the mind set that you need an awesome processor to play games; it helps but relatively anything from the last 5 years will do more than fine.

So I come to this fine establishment to ask if it is indeed, a good deal.

Add Alienware.com to your blocked list and start reading some computer terms on Wikipedia. To simply anwser your question, it's not a good deal.

Or any tweaks on it? I'm not looking for a god computer. In fact, I'm trying to stay behind a generation to keep cheap.

Getting a 250 is definitely not staying behind a generation, coincidentally; a 9800 would fit the bill here as well.

Everything here was necessary to have been mentioned so don't bash me.


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At 6/16/09 01:10 AM, PolishMatt wrote:
I would call it relatively easy. Everything is difficult at start, it's at the end that it matters and in comparison to other hobbies, this would be in the middle of the spectrum. I would also highly suggest any under the ages of 13 of not even bothering to enter this sport for the sake of the elderly having to deal with endless stream of irrelevant questions and due to the fact that one needs a large sum of money and being reckless and over confident typically leads to seeing smoke rise from a piece of hardware that some parent just paid five bills for.

Maybe it's just because I can't figure out how to get 2 legos to stick together but building things isn't my forte. Maybe after watching a few videos on how to do it I just might figure it out.

I have been in this field for years and to my surprise; have never read a warning lable with those words, even though it's true... if one has the intelligence of a cat and some how manages to fuck everything in the book (Nothing wrong will happen if you simply follow the guide lines and use common sense).
I could build a better computer for half the price (while wearing a blindfold of course), make it look sick and not like a piece of plastic molded shit and not be a douche bag at the same time.

Well that's good to know. No one likes vagina bleach.

I give it 2.5 years, if not just 2 for staying to standards for the best games to be released. Pick up a 9800GTX as also shown in those charts of you will be more than fine playing 95% of the hottest and most modern titles available today. And for the love of god; don't fall into the mind set that you need an awesome processor to play games; it helps but relatively anything from the last 5 years will do more than fine.

What about the GPU?

Add Alienware.com to your blocked list and start reading some computer terms on Wikipedia. To simply anwser your question, it's not a good deal.

Aw.

Getting a 250 is definitely not staying behind a generation, coincidentally; a 9800 would fit the bill here as well.

By "fit the bill" you better mean cheaper.

Everything here was necessary to have been mentioned so don't bash me.

I don't see any point in bashing criticism. You probably saved me $900 and for that I thank you.


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