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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2012-12-02 12:15:49 Reply

At 12/2/12 10:04 AM, Bahamut wrote:
At 11/28/12 12:22 PM, Ihatedapatriots wrote: Most of them do, but Sonic and Silent Hill have been particularly bad.
Silent Hill was the first games series on my mind before anything else. I can still say stuff like Final Fantasy, Crash and Spyro went downhill but if there's any that have fallen so hard after their classics, it's Silent Hill. At least I'll always have the first three games to play whenever I want.

The problem with Silent Hill compared to the others is that the original developers stopped making them, which really should have been the end of the game, not have idiot Americans with no understanding of horror dig it up and attempt to keep it alive.

I do have to agree with Spyro and Crash a lot, as Spyro 2: Gateway to Glimmer was one of my first and favourite PS1 games and probably the first to get 100% on, it was so fun and then when it came to the PS2 Dragonfly one I just really couldn't stand what happened to it, it was just like they ripped all the fun out of the games, which was weird since it wasn't that different but it was just like the heart of the game wasn't there. Crash was similar with Crash 2 being the best again but then by the time it got to PS2 it was meh.

I find it really odd that there are people going on about wanting new games in franchises that are years old, even to the point of having a petition. I saw once a petition for a new Medievil game...I really can't comprehend why anyone would want that, sure the first game was amazing, the second less so but still good. But do they honestly think that after 10+ years shoving a petition into the hands of the designers to tell them to make another would make it any good? They would have made another one if they thought it would work...


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2012-12-03 04:54:28 Reply

COD.......They keep doing the exact same fucking thing, over and over again.

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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2012-12-03 07:19:13 Reply

Basically ALL game series are going down hill. People care more about money than they do about the actual game, and spend alot less effort on the game in attempts to just get the game out faster and cheaper. Ironically people buy the games based on their name alone so the game publishers arent being given much of a challenge when it comes to sales.


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Final Fantasy- everything after XI is complete shit because they got successful and want to milk the cash cow look at the crime against humanity that is FFXIII
Halo- anything after 3 BLEH
COD- complete and udder garbage shoot, take cover, shoot, Grenade! grenade didn't kill them because COD is very inaccurate about weaponry.

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At 12/2/12 05:37 AM, Austerity wrote: The Donkey Kong Country series went steeply downhill after the first two games. DKC2 and DKC Returns sucked.

You're crazy. Donkey Kong Country 3 was good, and it is probably the hardest game of the series. And if you liked the original DK Country how on Earth could you dislike DK Country Returns? All those games are classic.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-13 00:51:13 Reply

Reviving this one more time


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-13 00:56:29 Reply

I'd have to say Pokemon. Black and White felt like the peak of the series to me then it went down hill a little bit with black and white 2 and then with X and Y I felt like it took a major nose dive.

X and Y just did too many things that I didn't like.

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At 12/3/12 07:28 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Final Fantasy- everything after XI is complete shit because they got successful and want to milk the cash cow look at the crime against humanity that is FFXIII
Halo- anything after 3 BLEH
COD- complete and udder garbage shoot, take cover, shoot, Grenade! grenade didn't kill them because COD is very inaccurate about weaponry.

Final Fantasy has been successful long before XI. I am pretty sure they are just going a different direction. I will admit its a shit direction, but I would not be surprised if they returned sometime with a great game

Halo 2 was really the only fantastic historical one

Again with COD Modern warfare was really the only ground breaking game in the series. The others are ok, some bad, some decent.

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At 12/13/14 12:56 AM, Conker64 wrote:
At 12/3/12 07:28 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Final Fantasy- everything after XI is complete shit because they got successful and want to milk the cash cow look at the crime against humanity that is FFXIII
Halo- anything after 3 BLEH
COD- complete and udder garbage shoot, take cover, shoot, Grenade! grenade didn't kill them because COD is very inaccurate about weaponry.
Final Fantasy has been successful long before XI. I am pretty sure they are just going a different direction. I will admit its a shit direction, but I would not be surprised if they returned sometime with a great game

no after the merger in 03 Final fantasy has gone to complete shit and the with the bullshit square enix has been pulling recently is pissing off the fans and making them look like the Japanese EA.

Halo 2 was really the only fantastic historical one

agreed but I think 3 was great too,

Again with COD Modern warfare was really the only ground breaking game in the series. The others are ok, some bad, some decent.

I wouldn't know I barely play that shitacular anymore. I played when it was World at war and everything went to hell.

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Mario in general: When we think that franchises like COD or Halo being milked, most people who aren't fans of either one get all pissy about it, but few people bat an eye when Mario does it, in a lot more ways than just one genre to boot.

Final Fantasy: Y'know that your series has jumped the shark when you released a sequel to FFX that involves 3 main female characters in a side plot. I have no problem with T&A in most cases, but using that as the main selling point instead of your past history of stellar games, (to JRPG fans and critics alike) that's when you know you got problems, something that FF13 hasn't fixed.

Sonic: Sonic '06, that's all that needs to be said. To be fair though, the more recent games are somewhat decent, but that's largely because the bar is set extremely low, and it just pales in comparison to 20 or even 15 years ago. When it comes to Sonic, Sega just can't seem to let go of a 90's icon who is well past his prime, often in expense to their other IPs.

Resident Evil: Before 4, it was largely an average franchise of survival horror games with questionable graphical quality and dodgy controls. After 4, (and to a limited extent 5) let's just say that it jumped the shark big time. It doesn't help that Capcom can't seem to get out of their own way on anything that isn't Street Fighter, and that's not including their history of dubious retcons and franchise milking that doesn't make any sense.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-13 21:25:03 Reply

I think Saints Row went downhill.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-14 02:47:52 Reply

COD went downhill after the first episode.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-14 06:06:06 Reply

A lot of you are mentioning Sonic. I don't think Sonic counts as a series that went downhill on account of it was never any good in the first place. To go downhill requires at least being somewhere nearer the top of the hill at some point. And if you disagree and say "Well the old Sonics were good", I urge you to go back and replay them. Seriously. They weren't good.

There were a few good aspects of some of the games, such as the music, or certain boss battles, but overwhelmingly the gameplay was long boring stretches with little actual control. Pay attention to where he's looping around for example, which constitutes majority of those games. Are you controlling any of that? Not really. Boring.

And if we're going with storyline aspect, original story is something like a mad scientist captures animals to have them work machines or something, so a hedgehog jumps on them to free them. Is that a good story? No it's an incredibly boring story full of obvious plotholes such as why the hell would anyone, even a mad scientist, choose to do this (what's in it for him?) and why his robots are so poorly made that even a small animal jumping on them breaks them.

So it was never good in gameplay. It was never good story-wise. The only thing that might be considered good is some of the music.

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Now, game series that actually qualifies? Someone mentioned Mega Man and I would agree with that. IMO, Mega Man "jumped the shark" as soon as they started kiddifying everything. Compare Mega Man from the box art of Mega Man 2 with, say, the kiddish Mega Man in Mega Man 8. Give us some master robots that like blowing stuff up, not a bunch of "cutesy" kid stuff.

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Some are saying Mario went downhill. I disagree there. I think Mario has done quite well over the years and is one of few that has managed to stay relatively stable. Sure there's questions of just how many kids does Bowser have, what was the origin of the Mario Bros. themselves, and related inconsistencies, but compared to other series he's done quite well. He did a hell of a lot better than Mega Man who somehow went from adult "50's futuristic" robot to some annoying kid robot. I mean there was the whole baby Mario in Yoshi's Story but that was supposed to take place in the past and he's not still a baby Mario. That's more of a one-off although I realize there are a few other games featuring baby Mario. In the overwhelming majority of games, he's good ole regular Mario.

Really why are things babied down or kiddified anyway? It can be an otherwise great game but deep down some part of me is going to find it annoying if they do that and if I enjoy the game in spite of this it's only because everything else about it is a great game, but it's a big ding. The main hero or character doesn't need to be a "kid" and especially not a baby. Stop doing that!

I mean holy crap when I was a kid, we didn't like pretending we were kids and especially not babies because, yaknow, we were already kids and why in the hell would we want to go back to being babies?! So it was much more fun if the superheroes were adults. Even if it wasn't realistic, you could pretend like maybe you could be like that someday and you could look up to them. Shows like G.I. Joe and He-Man. Nowadays it's like every other thing is kid heroes this and kid heroes that. Where's the fun in that? Only a lame kid would rather play pretend they're a kid hero than an adult one.

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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-14 10:35:57 Reply

Destiny. It went downhill in the first 5 minutes.

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At 10/15/08 01:19 PM, Wegra wrote: They're fucking ripping off Nintendo and the storylines are gay.

Wow, a lot of people have named Sonic in this thread. Honestly, I'd have to agree with that, though, based on the last few games that have come out in 2013 and 2014. However, the rumor that "Sonic ripped off of Mario Galaxy", if that's what you're referring to, is invalid because the game's globe-walking mechanic first appeared in Sonic Adventure 2.

Personally, I think Mega Man's gone downhill to the point of being dead as a franchise. With the three game cancellations over the last few years, along with the pathetic celebration of Mega Man's 25th anniversary (with a mediocre mobile app and an officially endorsed fan game), it seems like Mega Man has been knocked down and isn't going to get up again.


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Final Fantasy started going downhill after part 10. They need to turn it around and make awesome games like they have in the past.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-14 23:21:42 Reply

Most series, honestly. Though, I wouldn't say Final Fantasy is going 'down' when the first few games weren't really great either. The series has its ups and downs, but after the golden age of FF6 and FFT I haven't seen them make a real grand slam.

Silent Hill definitely went downhill. The newest game of the series I played was Shattered Memories, which I actually liked, but didn't compare to Silent Hill 2 by a long shot.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-14 23:23:34 Reply

The Halo series really went into a shitspiral after the second game. I enjoyed Combat Evolved and the second one, but it got pretty awful after that.

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At 10/15/08 01:19 PM, Wegra wrote: Which Game series do you think went down hill and why? Also after which game did the series go downhill? Me? I'd definetly have to say The Sonic series after Shadow The Hedgehog. Why? Have you seen the storylines to these games? (notably SONIC THE HEDGEHOG (2006) There fucking ripping off Nintendo and the storylines are gay.

I don't personally like how Dead Space has turned out... It's become too much about the action and less about the scary aspect of it all. Also, Starfox just went to shit over time. I think most people would agree on that.

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At 12/15/14 02:05 PM, FantasticFox wrote:
At 10/15/08 01:19 PM, Wegra wrote: Which Game series do you think went down hill and why? Also after which game did the series go downhill? Me? I'd definetly have to say The Sonic series after Shadow The Hedgehog. Why? Have you seen the storylines to these games? (notably SONIC THE HEDGEHOG (2006) There fucking ripping off Nintendo and the storylines are gay.

Starfox U better make up for it.

Assault wasnt bad though. Not sure about command.


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At 12/13/14 09:25 PM, Quorthon wrote: I think Saints Row went downhill.

I haven't played 4 yet, but I've beaten 1-3 and I love 3.


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At 12/14/14 11:21 PM, Kwing wrote: Silent Hill definitely went downhill.

I agree with you. Some game series just can't maintain quality.


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At 12/3/12 07:19 AM, Nithael wrote: Basically ALL game series are going down hill. People care more about money than they do about the actual game, and spend alot less effort on the game in attempts to just get the game out faster and cheaper. Ironically people buy the games based on their name alone so the game publishers arent being given much of a challenge when it comes to sales.

So well said. That is why I still play 5-10 years old games from time to time.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-17 18:25:31 Reply

I have to say COD as I have no interest in it like I used to. And they haven't done much to spice it up lately.


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At 12/17/14 06:25 PM, Bremaine wrote: I have to say COD as I have no interest in it like I used to. And they haven't done much to spice it up lately.

To be fair, COD has always been bad.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-20 00:26:36 Reply

ToeJam & Earl. Hate to say it, but the third one was...meh. The first two were pretty good when it was still on Genesis, still play them at least every year.

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Sonic was never same after the third one.


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Response to Which game series went downhill? 2014-12-21 13:31:04 Reply

I'm probably getting a lot of hate for this but The Super Smash Brawl series is repetitive.

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At 10/23/09 02:47 PM, cool154 wrote: In for Mortal Kombat. That series went downhill after it went three dimensional.

I remember playing MK vs DC Universe during my stay with my cousin and I can tell you it was ridiculous to see it beat a dead horse with a destroyed childhood stick to the ground.

I really don't play Mortal Kombat anyway that's a plus...


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At 12/21/14 01:31 PM, Bmwd wrote: I'm probably getting a lot of hate for this but The Super Smash Brawl series is repetitive.

Yes, you will get hate and your comment deserves it. The Smash Brothers series was the original and innovative using video games characters to fight each other.


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