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At 10/15/08 10:10 PM, poxpower wrote: I wonder what will happen to you the day it dawns on you that you're an idiot :O

I wonder how you became a mod being as petty and juvenile as you are.

Besides, I do contribute on the rare occasions when someone hasn't already covered the ground I intend to cover with an argument. You just don't happen to be there to see it, or don't remember when you do. I know we've been over this before.

At 10/15/08 09:47 PM, Cornbucket wrote: I'd also love to raise the point that you're an immense faggot for ignoring the hospital argument I made before. "Holy shit" is right, you suck at this.

As much as I agree with your other points, there's no need to throw insults. We're trying to be the mature ones here, remember?

At 10/15/08 10:04 PM, Korriken wrote:

actually, there is a lot of science behind the kosher process.

No one said some parts of it aren't logical, but that's just rationalization. The primary reason they do it, is the religious one. Proof being that jewish people won't eat pork no matter how safe it is.
Of course they will, like you are now, try to legitimize part of it by explaining how there was a time where it was useful.

But how you're stepping in the realm of science and you can't have both. Either what they're doing is religious, hence I shouldn't have to pay for it, or what they're doing is scientific, hence it should be regulated by the government or a secular institution and not a Rabbi.

What relevance does it have to today?

Abolustely none.
Seriously: "no grape products from non-jewish people".
What the fuck? I don't want to be associated with people who think that way, sorry.

well, if you WANT to take the time to check everything you purchase for a Kosher symbol so you don't buy it, then you're gonna be spending a lot of time at the grocery store.

They don't randomize where the K signs go each week. Eventually I'll know what to buy and what not to buy. It's not like I will entirely avoid all jewish foods and places. I don't care if I eat jewish food, I just don't want to be associated with their shit against my knowledge and my will.
If I want to go eat smoked meat or bagels, I know what I am doing and who I am giving the money to and I'm fine with it. But why should I have to have that shit associated with potatoe chips or mustard? Fuck that.

I say SECULAR GROCERY STORES FOR ALL.
haha

At 10/15/08 10:18 PM, Korriken wrote:

Mods should be held at a higher standard for one.

Not really. All we have to do is not break the rules and moderate fairly.

this is a political forum and and not a "I hate religion" forum.

I think I'll judge on my own what threads I consider worthy of this forum and what threads I don't. But hey if you ever catch me deleting/locking a thread that should totally be allowed, go for it and tell on me.
Good luck though.

At 10/15/08 10:18 PM, Brian wrote:

2) Prices remain unaffected regardless of whether the Kashrut symbol is on a package or not.

Yes, but there are still agencies, with employees and costs, who take time to go to said places and approve the food. That's not "nothing". It's pretty small, but it's still something.

3) Occasionally others who aren't jewish can know immediately by the symbol whether or not that product is dangerous to them due to allergies.

Good for them, that's not a rabbi's job. It's just a side benefit that was never intended by the process. It could just as well he handled ( if not better ) by the FDA or the USDA.
Oh, in fact IT IS. Companies are required to indicate on the packages if their food contains any allergens.
Yes, thank you K sign, for saving those people the trouble of flipping the bag over to read the ingredients.

and the people arguing against you don't know what they are talking about.

Well you're arguing against me...
hmmmm

Good for them, that's not a rabbi's job. It's just a side benefit that was never intended by the process. It could just as well he handled ( if not better ) by the FDA or the USDA.

Oh, in fact IT IS.

Weird. On page one you were accusing the rabbis of being "uselessly strict". Now you're accusing them of not being as good as the FDA. Way to continue to screw your own points into the ground.

We'll just ignore the fact your own article states the USDA thinks their measures are good enough to be EXEMPT.....

BLESSED peanut butter. If I have the choice between BLESSED peanut butter and NON-BLESSED peanut butter, guess which one I will pick?

You would pick non-blessed peanut butter. You would pick it, but you make the mistake in assuming everyone else would pick it too, or even care about the difference.

Why?

Because not everyone is as big a self-aggrandizing fucktard as you.

Notice how the argument isn't that you don't have a right to protest what you want, it's that only YOU would be so hell-bent, introverted and insane to actually make this an issue.

We're mocking you because you are to the atheist cause what the 9/11 terrorists are to the religious cause: Fundamentalist dumb-FUCKS.

And with each post, you make that more and more apparent. So if you really want people to stop mocking you, stop being so damn irresistable! I mean, you're almost as comical as the "God hates fags" guy I see on the diag every few days, and he gets mocked just as mercilessly.
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But Sheila, I do like the fact you're actually getting your panties in such a twist you've resorted to actually throwing a hissy fit because "the mean man made fun of me!". So really, here's where we can go:

You can either continue, which will be of low interest to me (and everyone else) but have an absolutely astounding entertainment value.........(whining like a baby for people making fun of you, and now making a comparison to Rosa Parks? Who isn't laughing at you?)

Or you can simply realize that no one is as bat-shit insane as you to actually think this is crusade worthy and save yourself some trouble.........

Either way, call me when you move up to protesting remakes of Fiddler on the Roof, should be good for a few laughs.

seems there's enough people here I don't really need to jump on all the opportunities you present. So I'll sit back here on out and enjoy the fireworks. :)

It's not worth wasting my time checking every item I buy for a kosher symbol, though I never buy anything that is advertised as kosher.

As much as I hate the religious, I'm only willing to inconvenience myself so much to fight them.

You should do the same, Pox, or else, they have won.

For someone who's normally so logical, you've really fucked yourself in the ass this time.

At 10/15/08 10:58 PM, Imperator wrote:

Weird. On page one you were accusing the rabbis of being "uselessly strict". Now you're accusing them of not being as good as the FDA. Way to continue to screw your own points into the ground.

Yeah they're not strict about making sure the food has no allergens in it. Which is what we're talking about.

but you make the mistake in assuming everyone else would pick it too, or even care about the difference.

Uh when did I say that? Oh, right, never.
All I'm saying is that I encourage everyone to not pick kosher products if they don't want to pay for a religion they don't have.

What is this? like the 30th time I write this?

You can either continue, which will be of low interest to me

Meh, I don't expect much from you regarding logical arguments :o Your main tactic is usually to go "OH BEFORE, YOU SAID * enter straw man person never said" BUT NOW YOU'RE SAYING *enter one more straw man the person never said* SO HA I GOT YOU". I can't tell if it's really because you suck at reading, or if you're over-eager to prove people wrong but I don't care much since the result is the same.

Don't believe me that this is how you act? Ask around. In fact didn't you have an argument with drakim in this thread about exactly that?

At 10/15/08 11:11 PM, BetaOrionis wrote:

You should do the same, Pox, or else, they have won.

Pseudoscience's game is making money and getting power. Granted there's not much power and money to be made off putting a little "k" on a jar of marmelade ( btw did you guys even notice that I keep using different foods every example? I mean, gimme some credit haha ) it's still a little extra fart in my face at the end of the day. A fart I shall like to avoid.
Btw, how do I "win" if I do nothing??? If I buy their kosher shit, then they get their way. ANd you're saying if I DON'T buy it, then they also get what they want?

Damn.

bwahaha this thread is awesome.

Anyways, this thread is getting tiring.

Here was the correct answer, for anyone who was wondering. Some of you got pretty close!

Answer key:
You're right in principle, but it's just not worth it for me and I don't give a shit what they do with the millionth of a cent they get from me every year.

Don't believe me that this is how you act? Ask around. In fact didn't you have an argument with drakim in this thread about exactly that?

No, and in fact Drakim got it wrong, and I was not exclusive in pointing that out. See? Can't even get that right Tampox.

Now for more current events:
% backing you in this thread: 0%
% mocking you in this thread: 100%
Dunno bout you, but I'd at least consider the possibility that even if I am a moron, I might have just gotten lucky this one time and pointed out the obvious: You're being an idiot......

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, as I said before, Tampox disagrees with me out of principle. But you be the judge.

Prosecution rests.

At 10/15/08 10:10 PM, poxpower wrote:

It's one in the same to you, isn't it?

Yes.

Then why did you even bother trying to make some distinction between the two?

If I have the choice between BLESSED peanut butter and NON-BLESSED peanut butter, guess which one I will pick?

You're an idiot, so I'll guess NON-BLESSED.

Me, I'm not an idiot, so I'd base my choice of peanut butter on which one tasted better and was the best value for my money, regardless of it being kosher-certified or not. You're telling me that if you found a jar of kosher peanut butter that tasted like sex and only costed a dollar, you'd rather buy the jar of non-kosher peanut butter that tasted like anal seepage for five dollars on principle. That makes you not only a crusader for a worthless cause, but an unintelligent consumer too.

Dear lord. I can't understand how you keep trying to twist this haha.

You repeatly saying stuff like "I can't understand how..." and "I don't see why..." comes as no surprise at this point. You're deaf dumb and blind, how did you even get on the internet?

It's not stupid for them because it DIRECTLY AFFECTS THEM.

How does it affect them more than me? Does kosher food give jewish people superpowers? Cause I wasn't aware of any extra effects it had on them.

It's affects them and not you because it's a part of their lifestyle and not yours. Again, you're an idiot, so let me explain what this means. It's the same thing as serving a plate full of cheeseburgers to a vegan for dinner. Now, if YOU were served a plate full of cheeseburgers you'd be gobbling away because avoiding all meat isn't something you even care about or take seriously. For the vegan however, it's not the same case. They hold their diet to a different type of standard, so whether you think their choice of food and their reasons are stupid or not, your opinion doesn't fucking matter because it's THEIR choice of food and THEIR reasons, not yours. The consumption of meat affects vegans much, much more than the consumption of meat affects you.

In the same respect, the availability of food that is suitable for a Jewish diet is of the utmost importance to Jews. Your choice of diet is probably "eat whatever, and lots of it" so why the fuck should you even be concerned about what standards they hold themselves to when it has no effect on you? Eating kosher food that you didn't specifically ASK to be made kosher doesn't affect you in the least -- you said that what little extra you might be spending is not the issue, and you think the whole blessing thing is a load of baloney anyway. So... not a single part of it actually affects you, yet you still make a big stink about it anyway.

If you can see any scientific reasoning behind favoring kosher food over non-kosher food, please lay it out.

No, YOU lay out scientific reasons to AVOID it. Note that "the avoidance of all things unscientific" is your own personal prejudice, it's NOT an actual scientific principle in-itself. If it was then you might as well discard anything you have that constitutes an appeal to emotion instead of logic... like all your books, all your music, all your movies. I mean, they don't rely on FACTS, they just rely on fancy words and sounds and pictures and how they all make you FEEL. That's like... totally unscientific, right? So throw all that shit away and charter the next flight to planet Vulcan you emotionless robot. I mean, it doesn't matter how something makes you feel, if it isn't based on cold hard facts then it's bad, it can ONLY be bad, and as such should be banned entirely. RIGHT???

See, you claim this is all about principle. You said your reasons are scientific... except, no, your reasons AREN'T scientific, they're personal. The simple fact of the matter is that you're prejudiced against ANYTHING with a religious connection. Your principle is based on anti-religious prejudice, not an actual accumulation of facts as to why kosher food should really be avoided.

Till then, you have no grounds to deny that the only reason they pick it is pure superstition, i.e. religious ubringing, i.e. "do this because you're a jew" and not "do this because it's better for your health".

Since you're so simple-minded as to equate all things religious with mere superstition, then no, I have no grounds to deny that. It seems like the day when you really understand why religious people do what they do will NEVER come... and as such, you will simplify any and every belief or choice they make as being the product of superstition... all the while being convinced that all your beliefs and choices are based on hard science when the fact of the matter is, they AREN'T.

I already answered it, but here it goes again:

No, you said "well if my doctor was a religious person then I..."

1- If I had a choice in healthcare, why would I pick the religious one?

The better question is -- why WOULDN'T you pick the religious one? Would you avoid it simply because it was religiously-affiliated, or would you avoid it based on the actual quality of the facility, its staff, its services, and how much it costed?

It's all about choice.

Exactly. Some choices have sensical, worthwhile reasons to back them up. Some don't. You're making your decision for stupid reasons, not smart ones.

Also, I GUARANTEE that over the course of your remaining life you'll end up eating so much kosher food that if you even realized it now, you'd go INSANE. You might as well just jump off a cliff now and end it all rather than continue funding those crazy religious folk for the rest of your days.

At 10/15/08 11:29 PM, poxpower wrote: Anyways, this thread is getting tiring.

Here was the correct answer, for anyone who was wondering. Some of you got pretty close!

Answer key:
You're right in principle, but it's just not worth it for me and I don't give a shit what they do with the millionth of a cent they get from me every year.

I know you're being facetious, but I'm gonna bite anyways.
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Yes. What's far more likely is that everyone else is stupid and didn't get it, not that you just fucked the hell up.

Let's tally the score.

Nailed #4. Now you were saying something about my forum behavior?

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At 10/15/08 11:29 PM, poxpower wrote: Anyways, this thread is getting tiring.

Here was the correct answer, for anyone who was wondering. Some of you got pretty close!

Answer key:
You're right in principle, but it's just not worth it for me and I don't give a shit what they do with the millionth of a cent they get from me every year.

I feel like I was pretty close, do I get a non-kosher cookie now?

Oh, and we CAN'T win by any of our individual buying habits. That's the answer to the question you posed to me.

At 10/15/08 10:10 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/15/08 09:38 PM, Elfer wrote:

it's the consumers who refuse to buy anything else but something blessed by a magic man.

Yes, so? I don't want to pay for it, what's wrong with that?

Perfect. You AREN'T PAYING FOR IT. I've described a case where the addition of the kosher label adds no cost at all to you, the consumer. In any case where the company gains more revenue in sales to orthodox Jews than they're paying for the rabbi to bless the food (i.e. all cases where there's economic incentive to do so), the removal of the kosher label wouldn't save YOU any money in reduced prices, since the company would lose the added revenue they were using to pay the rabbi's salary.

Why is that so hard to understand?

< obscenely self-aggrandizing comparison> Like Rosa parks. She should just have shut up and stood on the bus, what did she have to gain? Just more people bitching at her and making her walk home? What a dumb bitch, right?</obscenely self-aggrandizing comparison>

Wow, that really IS incomparable. Rosa parks was taking a stand for being treated as a lower class of human being. You're taking a stand for wanting to take away the job of a rabbi you'll never meet, because you're upset that you believe it's making you pay more for food when it actually isn't.

At 10/15/08 11:35 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

Then why did you even bother trying to make some distinction between the two?

Between what? I told you, all pseudo-sciences are the same to me. You're the one who was saying it's stupid for me to compare kosher food to aliens and bigfoot hunts, remember?

Me, I'm not an idiot, so I'd base my choice of peanut butter on which one tasted better and was the best value for my money, regardless of it being kosher-certified or not.

It's ok if you don't care for it being kosher, but don't try to say it's always alright to just use the price/quality ratio when buying a product.

It's affects them and not you because it's a part of their lifestyle and not yours.

But I PAY FOR IT.
That's the whole point: I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF MY LIFE.

Haha holy shit.

cue to you typing "when it doesn't affect you" about 100 times afterwards.

No, YOU lay out scientific reasons to AVOID it.

It costs extra time, hassle and money for something useless?
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I guess that's not scientific enough for you to understand.

haha you're funny man. I mean, seriously, are you just trying to disagree with me at this point? Because, come on. Holy shit.

Since you're so simple-minded as to equate all things religious with mere superstition,

haha hey stop putting words in my mouth, it's already full with sucking my own dick apparently.
Not all things religious have no basis in science, but all things done for religious reasons are chosen on scientific grounds.

The better question is -- why WOULDN'T you pick the religious one? Would you avoid it simply because it was religiously-affiliated, or would you avoid it based on the actual quality of the facility, its staff, its services, and how much it costed?

That's way too many factors for me to give a conclusive answer. Like, what am I supposed to do here?
"ok 50% of the staff think prayer work, but the beds are fluffier, however they don't clean the toilets as well and they don't serve ham for dinner for religious reasons... but it costs me 40$ less for a stommach pump".

All I can tell you is that if I had the choice between two equal services, I would pick the non-religious one. Why not? I don't agree with their life philosophy, why shouldn't I favor giving my business to people who agree with me?

Also, I GUARANTEE that over the course of your remaining life you'll end up eating so much kosher food that if you even realized it now, you'd go INSANE.

Why? I don't care. Good for them if they manage to sneak some, it won't kill me. I'll just avoid it when I can.

At 10/15/08 11:36 PM, Imperator wrote:

Let's tally the score.

don't feel like reading.

At 10/15/08 11:40 PM, BetaOrionis wrote:

I feel like I was pretty close, do I get a non-kosher cookie now?

Yes you can choose a consolation prize.
Here's a copy of the 1995 Guiness Book of Records.

What reptile has the longest tail? What tree can grow roots the fastest? ALL THIS KNOWLEDGE AWAITS YOU!

Oh, and we CAN'T win by any of our individual buying habits.

Any amount counts. Can't win an election with just one vote, can't save the earth by recycling one bottle, can't win a war by firing one bullet.
But every little bit counts.

p.s. if you guys really want to piss me off, start eating Kosher food only from now on, that'll show me.

From what I've seen it looks like Poxpower and Shaggy are one in the same. They spew stupid shit, barely back it up and don't really listen to anyone else.

Pox, I think you should never do this again. You even state:

"He keep posting in tons of topics without every saying anything smart or quoting anything."

And this thread distinguishes you how?

At 10/15/08 11:59 PM, Elfer wrote:

Why is that so hard to understand?

I'm buying something which financially supports a religious dude doing something stupid and useless. Any way you look at it, making the food kosher COSTS MORE MONEY. It's not about the final price, it's not about the marketing or the profit margins, it's about the fabrication process.
It's a damn waste and I say: fuck it.

At 10/16/08 12:18 AM, poxpower wrote: I'm buying something which financially supports a religious dude doing something stupid and useless. Any way you look at it, making the food kosher COSTS MORE MONEY. It's not about the final price, it's not about the marketing or the profit margins, it's about the fabrication process.
It's a damn waste and I say: fuck it.

But the economic burden of it lies on the people who demand the service, not the people who don't. This is about marginal costs, not total costs. That's the thing about capitalism: people can hire someone to do any stupid shit they want. That's why homeopathic healers stay in business; people are stupid enough to keep buying their shit, and it's not illegal to accept payment for something that doesn't help people.

Fine i will just stop posting and go read a book about kosher food.

Because the book won't treat me in a mean, ignoring cold-shoulder fashion.

I feel like I could at least be given the time of day.

I guess not.

Why don't you delete all my posts then.

All of them.

ALL OF THEM

ALL OF THEM

I'm done.

I seem frustrated. I am. Merely because I am sure that (I'll just have to do it again) I indicated that there is more to it than being religious. It has to do with freedom of choice.

If I want to start sealing battered baby seals, I have every right to so, given that I have the proper licenses and that the seals aren't endangered.

So what you're saying is unconstitutional.

So let's talk about that.

And not how I'm completely wrong about the legitimacy of the process. I very well am. But there is plenty of stepping blocks that could be chosen to point me in the right direction.

I'm here, if for anything, to learn. And I would appreciate the realization of that sentiment in my peers.

Kosher laws were created for the sole purpose of keeping Jews from pro-creating and establishing relationships with people from other religions

Even if the consumer doesn't end up paying the price, the money it costs to make food kosher is money gone to waste. That money could be spent on workers' and CEOs' salaries, or it could be given to the shareholders of the company, which would have a positive effect on the economy. It could be spent on advertising, or it could be invested to appeal to another demographic.

There are only 13.2 million Jews worldwide -- I find it hard to believe that there isn't another demographic in North America that couldn't have a higher demand power than the practicing Jews on the continent. For instance, you could make the product more healthy (supervised by real health professionals). Or you could make the packaging more environmentally friendly. However you choose to tune the product, I'm sure there'll be millions of people who become more likely to buy your product than they previously were. At least this way something REAL is made to the food to improve it, not just divine gaze and magic words. How many Jews would even stop buying the product if the 'K' suddenly disappeared? If the company receives an "anti-semitic" reputation as a result, then people are fucking idiots and they need to be educated about this nonsense all the more.

Bottom line, people who are paid to bless food should be put out of jobs. It's not a job, it's being a scam artist. Or at the very least, if those people want to keep their jobs, they should be funded by people who are actually stupid enough to want their food to be blessed. Kosher foods should be found in shops specifically assigned for them, where store owner makes sure that all products sold are Kosher - even if they're just normal Coke bottles like in a regular store. It's not a price that the producers should pay, because they should have much better ways to invest that money.

I fail to see how there's such an outcry against someone who's calling for a boycott.

He's making a claim as to why he, and people with his views, would want to boycott a certain type of product. If you don't especially feel the need to, are offended by the thought of boycotting, or ascribe to the particular beliefs the product offers, then don't do it.

What's more, saying why you don't want to is fine and dandy, too, but I don't see why there's a debate going on here. Obviously there's a difference of opinion, but nobody's suggesting legislation that we all have to follow, so I don't see why everyone's getting their panties all tangled up over this.

Now, if Pox was demanding everyone go out and vote yes on Prop. #Whatever to go out and ban all kosher foods, then sure, I'd be against it and rightfully so. You can't mandate companies not adding the nifty K and paying a holy man to grant my Kellogg's a +5 against demons and leprechauns. If it increases sales, sure.

What's more, I'm pretty disappointed that people don't propose MORE boycotts. Everyone seems to think it's too much trouble to do the absolute minimum for their principles. Everyone wants the government or the legal system to enforce their principles for them. For instance, if you don't like animal testing, don't get the FDA to outlaw it or levy huge fines on it, simply don't buy their products and convince your like-minded buddies to do the same.

It's a sad state when, increasingly, this country is losing faith in the power of individuals. Our individual votes don't matter, our individual dollar votes don't matter, our individual consumer habits don't matter, our individual rights to privacy don't matter. I mean, granted, the people to blame for the economic and legislative fuckups are our corporations and the government, but honestly, what do we expect?

It's apathy and the unwillingness to inconvenience ourselves a little to take responsibility for what we buy and how we're treated that's giving our corporations and our government free reign to fuck us over as hard and as thoroughly as they have.

Now granted, if you have no beef with a rabbi inspecting your beef and passing the cost to you, then whatever. But to criticize the notion that someone would have a problem with that and then, going further, criticizing the most powerful tool in our arsenal that consumers have over companies, well then, I'm going to have a problem with that.

Don't knock the boycott unless you like having corporate American break its dick off in your ass.

At 10/16/08 12:18 PM, UndeadTemplar88 wrote: Kosher laws were created for the sole purpose of keeping Jews from pro-creating and establishing relationships with people from other religions

Really? Because I thought it had to do with the fact that they take it as a matter of pride that they don't eat certain foods because they consider them dirty. And, to be honest, I can't disagree some of them - after all, pigs do roll around in their own shit all day.

I don't really care whether it's Kosher certified or not. It's up to private organisations whether they want to adopt kosher standards or not. You know, you could just not buy the product and vote with your wallet.

At 10/16/08 02:19 PM, dySWN wrote: And, to be honest, I can't disagree some of them - after all, pigs do roll around in their own shit all day.

Kind of a pointless argument; the wheat that your bread was made out of might have been grown on ground that was fertilised using pig shit.

At 10/16/08 04:01 PM, lapis wrote:

At 10/16/08 02:19 PM, dySWN wrote: And, to be honest, I can't disagree some of them - after all, pigs do roll around in their own shit all day.

Kind of a pointless argument; the wheat that your bread was made out of might have been grown on ground that was fertilised using pig shit.

Then that bread wouldn't be Kosher.

At 10/16/08 08:15 AM, Elfer wrote:

But the economic burden of it lies on the people who demand the service, not the people who don't.

No, it's spread on everyone who buys kosher products. If there's a "k", I'm paying for it one way or the other.

I hate pseudo-science by principle, not because it saves me money. Though eventually it would if everyone acted like me.

At 10/16/08 12:11 PM, JackPhantasm wrote:

So what you're saying is unconstitutional.

See, this is why I ignore what you write. You keep making completely crazy claims that I don't ever feel like challenging.

At 10/16/08 12:50 PM, AapoJoki wrote: Even if the consumer doesn't end up paying the price, the money it costs to make food kosher is money gone to waste. Bottom line, people who are paid to bless food should be put out of jobs.

See? Eat your shorts Cornbucket and Imperator. It was sad enough anyway that you had "everyone thinks you're stupid" as actual arguments.
People don't even know it when they're in a logical checkmate.

At 10/16/08 01:05 PM, Gunter45 wrote: I fail to see how there's such an outcry against someone who's calling for a boycott.

my guess: because I spoke against something religious, and more specifically jewish.
I can't prove it, but I bet you a million dollars no one would say anything if this topic was about hypnotherapists or homeopaths checking a factory for ghosts.

Anyways, try it out some time. Any time you say a negative fact about something jewish, you'll instantly get a face full of stink eye because people are too stupid to realize facts aren't biased in favor of or against anyone. Just watch it, it's the same thing for black people. People really cringe when you start talking about that topic.

In fact just now, I bet you there's someone reading this thinking "man this guy sure hates black people and jews".

What can I do, eh?

Now, if Pox was demanding everyone go out and vote yes on Prop. #Whatever to go out and ban all kosher foods, then sure, I'd be against it and rightfully so.

And so would I.
Unless of course government money was involved in said kosher food making.

It's apathy

My personal remedy against apathy is hatred. It rules.
When you hate something bad enough, you can do the most petty actions just to spite people who'll never care, and still feel great about it. And as an added bonus, it makes everyone else feel morally superior to you so you can get some extra laughs.

You're my new best friend.
<3

At 10/16/08 05:09 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/16/08 08:15 AM, Elfer wrote:

But the economic burden of it lies on the people who demand the service, not the people who don't.

No, it's spread on everyone who buys kosher products. If there's a "k", I'm paying for it one way or the other.

HOLY FUCK NO IT ISN'T

This is very simple microeconomics. The cost is borne by those who have decisions or assets affected by it. In cases where there's an economic incentive to provide kosher products (i.e. any situation in which people produce kosher products, aside from secret Jew conspiracy firms), the revenue to the company meets or exceeds the cost of hiring a rabbi to kosherize the food.

In this event, the cost of the product either falls or does not rise at all. While technically the money all goes into and comes out of a common pool, the economic burden of hiring the rabbi is placed solely on those who demand the service. A profit-driven company will not provide a service unless the people who demand it are willing to pay for it themselves.

You need to look at this from a marginal perspective, not an integrated perspective. Do you understand yet?

At 10/16/08 05:18 PM, Elfer wrote: the economic burden of hiring the rabbi is placed solely on those who demand the service.

The net result is that after there's a Rabbi working for Nabisco, my purchase supports his salary.
Just because the price of product X goes from 1 dollar to 95 cents doesn't mean the Rabbi isn't getting paid with the profits.

My beef isn't that it raises the price of a product, my beef is that part of the money funds superstition.

It's not jewish people who pay for the service if I also buy kosher food, where'd you get that? It's their job to ask for it at first, obviously, but once it starts, we're ALL paying.