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At 10/14/08 07:05 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Wait... how about we all eat up the kosher food, so there's not left for any jews? Then they'd all have to eat pork or starve!

Wouldn't that be a better plan for equality? Illegalizing the production of kosher food? I mean, because eventually we WILL illegalize religion, because stupid should be illegal, right?

Is this sarcasm?

At 10/14/08 07:21 PM, poxpower wrote: Regardless, you still are trying to make me out to be a really bad person because I condemn something jews do, even if it's clearly stupid. You can't deny it: it's stupid.

How did I try to make you look like a bad person?

You're scrambling to find as many reasons as possible as why it's not THAT BAD, but you can't escape from admitting it: it is stupid.

You also can't escape from admitting that this topic is stupid and that your complaint is stupid too.

Your best argument was that it's costing you money that you shouldn't have to spend... but first off you're not even sure if that's true, and secondly even if it WAS true you don't think it'd be a noticable amount of money either. You just reverted-back to saying it's stupid because it's religiously-tinged so that's reason-enough to not associate with it... which again is basically the same reason for the restriction on non-Jewish made grape products. They're tinged with cultural links to paganism and avoided as a matter of principle.

You've demonstrated that this isn't really about the money it is or is not costing you, but instead it's about how you just don't like religious stuff and as a matter of principle wouldn't want to associate with food that goes through some sort of Jewish purification ritual no matter how LITTLE the whole process actually affects you. Even if it causes you no harm and is either neutral or beneficial to you... you still don't want a part of it.

None of this makes you a bad person but it does make you a silly person for not seeing how stupid it is to complain about something that brings you absolutely no harm and doesn't negatively affect or impede the way you work, play, or live. You can't deny it: it's stupid.

At 10/14/08 07:12 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

At 10/14/08 06:46 PM, poxpower wrote: Sorry, accept the facts: you're paying money for something completely stupid that isn't even part of your culture or religion. And you didn't even know about it until today.

Those symbols have been on product packaging for years and years. It looks like you're the one who was oblivious the whole time to what it meant and are only just finding out about it.

Silly side-story I just remembered:

Back in elementary school I remember a bunch of black kids making a big stink about how Snapple Tea was racist. Their reasoning was that it was promoted by the KKK (they were actually looking at the kosher emblem) and that the bottle had a picture of a slave ship on it (it was a scene depicting the Boston Tea Party). Talk about projecting!

At 10/14/08 06:46 PM, poxpower wrote: If the FDA doesn't deem a measure worthy of being taken, then I see no reason why a Rabbi would have some special authority to tell everyone how strict food laws really SHOULD be.

Because the private sector is usually better at control than government?
Think about every government funded public project, and how absolutely shitty it is in comparison to a private sector equivalent.

The real question is, why in the hell would you trust the FDA, the government, for measures of quality control?

No matter how you wish I was really evil and anti-semitic, you can't pin anything on me for this. Sorry, accept the facts: you're paying money for something completely stupid that isn't even part of your culture or religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces#The_
fasces_in_the_United_States

You can thank me later.

None of this makes you a bad person but it does make you a silly person for not seeing how stupid it is to complain about something that brings you absolutely no harm and doesn't negatively affect or impede the way you work, play, or live. You can't deny it: it's stupid.

Yes it is. Moreover, I'll trust a Jew to inspect my food over a government lab rat any day of the week, twice on Sundays.

I mean, you can google any number of criticisms on the FDA. And they've done just such a fine job getting rid of those homeopathic medicines......oh wait.....

Anyways, I found the label on my jar of Jif PB, but I think I'm gonna have to follow suit, because this line made me spit coffee all over my computer screen:

At 10/14/08 06:36 PM, Menelaus wrote: Not being a massively self-righteous faggot, I am fine with this.

At 10/14/08 07:39 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

How did I try to make you look like a bad person?

Trying to imply that I'm somehow anti-semitic/racist because I ask that people not buy into this bullshit.

At 10/14/08 05:34 PM, poxpower wrote: I like this one:
" Grape products made by non-Jews may not be eaten. "

What do you call that?

you said:

I don't know what to call it but you're literally asking us to do the same exact thing. "

You just reverted-back to saying it's stupid because it's religiously-tinged so that's reason-enough to not associate with it...

"reverted"?
I don't care for the one penny, I just think the whole principle of having some guy come and inspect food according to what the bible says is stupid and I don't want any part of it.
I don't think it's making a dent in my savings, I just think it's stupid and no one should have to pay anything for a service they never asked for.

Even if it causes you no harm and is either neutral or beneficial to you... you still don't want a part of it.

Yep.

None of this makes you a bad person but it does make you a silly person for not seeing how stupid it is to complain about something that brings you absolutely no harm and doesn't negatively affect or impede the way you work, play, or live. You can't deny it: it's stupid.

Hm I guess you're right, I shouldn't really care about things that don't affect me directly by enough of a margin.
So I guess it would be alright to buy things made with slave-labor. In fact, you're be stupid NOT to, since it causes me no harm and doesn't negatively impede the way I work, play or live.

Yeah, it's a more extreme example, but it's the same thing. I don't agree with the practice, hence there's nothing wrong with avoiding anything to do with it. Doesn't matter what it costs me, it's a question of principle.

At 10/14/08 08:15 PM, Imperator wrote: Because the private sector is usually better at control than government?

Woah there junior, don't try to equate a bunch of rabbis to "the private sector". Their method is not scientific, it's religious. I wouldn't trust a bunch of priests with testing my milk for bacteria. I might trust a private firm composed of chemists, but Rabbis ARE NOT TRAINED TO DO THIS.

They HAVE NO BUSINESS APPROVING FOOD ANY MORE THAN A PRIEST HAS BUSINESS PERFORMING BRAIN SURGERY.

The real question is, why in the hell would you trust the FDA, the government, for measures of quality control?

You really want to entrust a health concern to a corporation? You'd NEED something like the FDA anyway to make sure that all the private food testing labs have correct standards.

You can thank me later.

Yeah we already know the government spends a ton of money on retarded luxuries. And I don't approve of it but I can't just leave the government on the shelf at Safeway.

Yes it is. Moreover, I'll trust a Jew to inspect my food over a government lab rat any day of the week, twice on Sundays.

Then you're a dumbass. How about you trust car inspection to Shaolin monks and water sanitation to Scientologists?

And they've done just such a fine job getting rid of those homeopathic medicines......oh wait.....

It's not perfect but it's the best there is. It's pretty sad the kinds of rules they have in place, but all those regulations are really hard to maintain and there's always loopholes that consumers aren't aware of.
For instance, homeopathic shit can't be sold as curing a specific disease, but it can be sold as "boosting the immune system" and other such nonsense, so that people like pharmacists will know that it's not medication, but not the consumer.

I'd be all for stricter rules, what's wrong with that? I have to admit the FDA is flawless now?

I wouldn't trust a bunch of priests with testing my milk for bacteria.

Good, because "the laws regarding kosher slaughter are so sanitary that kosher butchers and slaughterhouses have been exempted from many USDA regulations."

Which means YOU might not trust a bunch of priests with testing milk, but the government seems fit to trust them with meat to the extent they're exempt from regulations.

Then you're a dumbass.

"the laws regarding kosher slaughter are so sanitary that kosher butchers and slaughterhouses have been exempted from many USDA regulations."

Apparently no more so than the people in the USDA who seem to trust these guys too.....

China has been found to have been exporting food stuffs with higher than the FDA regulated level of evil in it.

At 10/14/08 09:06 PM, Imperator wrote:

Good, because "the laws regarding kosher slaughter are so sanitary that kosher butchers and slaughterhouses have been exempted from many USDA regulations."

WHAT, YOU TRUST USDA REGULATIONS????

At 10/14/08 08:50 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/14/08 07:39 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

How did I try to make you look like a bad person?

Trying to imply that I'm somehow anti-semitic/racist because I ask that people not buy into this bullshit.

When did I do anything of the sort?

You just reverted-back to saying it's stupid because it's religiously-tinged so that's reason-enough to not associate with it...

"reverted"?

Yes, reverted. Your PRIMARY argument was about how this whole thing is secretly costing you money and how bad that is. Since you don't have any actual information regarding how-much-IF-ANY, and apparently have made no attempt at finding such information, you reverted back to your SECONDARY argument, "it's dumb because it's religious."

I don't care for the one penny

Yeah you do.

"What does it mean? It means you just payed a little extra so that the food you bought meets the religious standards of a very tiny minority of people. Congrats, you have just funded a religious organization."

"Got that? You are giving a little extra money to have a bearded moron make sure that the food has met completely irrelevant standards from a book written thousands of years ago in the desert."

"Buy anything you want for whatever reasons you want, I just think people ought to know what they're buying. Part of a consumer's power is selecting what he buys."

Time and time again you talk about what it costs, who it's funding... but since you don't include any actual FACTS revolving around the money issue, you just fall back on your "it's dumb because it's religious" argument.

So I guess it would be alright to buy things made with slave-labor. In fact, you're be stupid NOT to, since it causes me no harm and doesn't negatively impede the way I work, play or live.

Yeah, it's a more extreme example, but it's the same thing. I don't agree with the practice, hence there's nothing wrong with avoiding anything to do with it.

No they aren't the same thing, and you're an idiot for even suggesting they are. When I said it causes no harm to you... "YOU" is EVERYONE. Slavery doesn't harm the slave-holder but it obviously harms the slave. Tell me who or what kosher inspection is harming and maybe then I won't think of you as such a dummy now.

Doesn't matter what it costs me, it's a question of principle.

You DO understand that I had to point that out to you FIRST for you to even realize it?

At 10/14/08 09:28 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

When did I do anything of the sort?

Er, read my post? I put it right there in it. Look carefully.

Yes, reverted. Your PRIMARY argument was about how this whole thing is secretly costing you money and how bad that is.

Yes it's bad that it costs me ANY MONEY. It's not bad because it costs me a LOT of money.

I'll go and see how much right now.

"How much does supervision cost?

This is a very broad question and there is no general answer. Every Kashruth agency employs its own price structure to establish a certification fee. However, one very important factor in determining the fee is the out of pocket expenses that will be incurred during the inspection program. The actual cost of inspections depends on a number of variables, such as the distance that the inspector must travel to the plant, the mode of available transportation, the frequency of visitation that will be required, and the length of time of an average inspection. Another important consideration is the amount of administrative time that is necessary to oversee the Kosher program."
http://www.ou.org/kosher/kosherqa/superv is.htm#13

What a shitty and vague answer. Anyway, it clearly costs SOMETHING. As if that weren't obvious. You think thought they were doing that for free or what?

Yeah you do.

er dear lord...
Yes, I care that it COSTS SOMETHING, but I don't care FOR THE ACTUAL COST OF IT. I don't need the money that this "takes away from me". I just don't think I should pay it even if it's negligible. I don't WANT to pay it.
But i don't care about the actual amount itself. What the fuck am I gonna do with 5 cents after a year?

When I said it causes no harm to you... "YOU" is EVERYONE.

So suddenly "you" means "everyone". Wow sorry there professor.
Yeah it sure isn't a hassle to have to make some dumbass Kosher inspector come to your plant to inspect it, I'm sure that doesn't piss anyone off. I'm sure coca-cola likes to have to do the extra paperwork and paycheck-writing to make said idiots come to their facilities. I'm also sure butchers like to be told by a rabbi how to do their jobs and they like having to be uselessly clean, spending extra money and time on special treatments and facilities.

You DO understand that I had to point that out to you FIRST for you to even realize it?

Oops, sorry there Freud, I guess you know better than me what I was thinking when I wrote that text about how it pissed me off to have to even pay a fraction of a cent for something I called "retarded" every chance I get. Yes clearly it's the actual extra cost that pisses me off.

At 10/14/08 10:02 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/14/08 09:28 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

When did I do anything of the sort?

Er, read my post? I put it right there in it. Look carefully.

Why should I read YOUR post to find out where and when I implied that you were a bad person, either anti-semetic or racist? You accused me of doing so, but you didn't quote me doing so because... I never did. As a matter of fact I even said previously that your view did NOT make you a bad person.

YOU need to look more carefully, pal. Not me.

When I said it causes no harm to you... "YOU" is EVERYONE.
So suddenly "you" means "everyone". Wow sorry there professor.

"YOU" is the consumer, the person buying the product, and everyone who buys stuff is a consumer. This isn't calculus boy.

Yeah it sure isn't a hassle to have to make some dumbass Kosher inspector come to your plant to inspect it, I'm sure that doesn't piss anyone off. I'm sure coca-cola likes to have to do the extra paperwork and paycheck-writing to make said idiots come to their facilities. I'm also sure butchers like to be told by a rabbi how to do their jobs and they like having to be uselessly clean, spending extra money and time on special treatments and facilities.

For one, you're projecting your own annoyance onto all sorts of other people who may or may not even be bothered by this stuff, and two, you're talking as if this is a required thing. There are companies that don't get involved in kosher inspection so obviously the companies that DO get involved do so by their own choice.

You DO understand that I had to point that out to you FIRST for you to even realize it?

Oops, sorry there Freud, I guess you know better than me what I was thinking when I wrote that text about how it pissed me off to have to even pay a fraction of a cent for something I called "retarded" every chance I get. Yes clearly it's the actual extra cost that pisses me off.

If the cost didn't bother you at all then you wouldn't have spent one single word talking about it let alone so many. Since you can't pursue that route to any effectiveness your entire argument boils down "it has to do with religion so I want no part of it" which is why this topic is so stupid. You're calling for a boycott but you can't even explain why OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES YOURSELF should give a shit. So you don't like religion, big fucking deal. If you could show that it actually did cost people noticably more then that'd be a GREAT reason to get behind a boycott... but since you can't even show that, overall you haven't said a single worthwhile thing that would actually get people to give a fuck about this.

At 10/14/08 10:30 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

Why should I read YOUR post to find out where and when I implied that you were a bad person, either anti-semetic or racist?

Because I posted the passage.
here, again, with EXTRA EMPHASIS:
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At 10/14/08 05:34 PM, poxpower wrote: I like this one:
" Grape products made by non-Jews may not be eaten. "

What do you call that?

you said:

I don't know what to call it but you're literally asking us to do the same exact thing. "

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"YOU" is the consumer, the person buying the product, and everyone who buys stuff is a consumer.

Ok so suddenly, "everyone" becomes "just the customer".
So where's your argument against slave-labor now, nimrod? Doesn't hurt any customers as far as I can tell.

For one, you're projecting your own annoyance onto all sorts of other people who may or may not even be bothered by this stuff, and two, you're talking as if this is a required thing.

Increasingly, supermarkets will give better shelf space to Kosher food. Oops. The pressure is being felt to have your food pass the kosher test "just because". That is complete bullshit.

And you're making a claim that it annoys no one, I give you clear situations where it's a hassle and you say "well maybe it doesn't really bother those people".
Come the fuck on.

You're calling for a boycott but you can't even explain why OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES YOURSELF should give a shit.

You should only give a shit if you care about paying for a service you never asked for.
If you like paying for shit like that, may I interest you in my alien mind beam treatment? For only 5 cents per year, I will send anti-alien rays in the sky telling them not to attack your family.

At 10/14/08 08:50 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/14/08 07:39 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

How did I try to make you look like a bad person?

Trying to imply that I'm somehow anti-semitic/racist because I ask that people not buy into this bullshit.

Eh, he never implied you were anti-semitic. You just thought someone would accuse of that. You're projecting. Also, you're being a huge whiny bitch about this whole thing. You should probably only eat food produced by atheists so you can be sure some guy on the wheat thresher didn't take any time out his work day to pray, thus costing the company money, who then ends up charging you a penny more for such obviously rage-worthy bullshit.

At 10/14/08 10:43 PM, Menelaus wrote:

Eh, he never implied you were anti-semitic. You just thought someone would accuse of that. You're projecing the company money, who then ends up charging you a penny more for such obviously rage-worthy bullshit.

Cool, next paycheck you get, let's hold 10 cents for the Sasquatch Protection fund.

Cool, let's skirt around having to say anything using an awesome joke. So, does your anti-kosher campaign extend to all products you see as religiously-tainted or not?

At 10/14/08 04:51 PM, poxpower wrote: Not important: you are keeping a spell-casting magic man in employ to go around blessing food.
That's just retarded, I don't want any of that bullshit in the modern world, even if big companies will do it out of greed.

And boycotting kosher foods is going to do WHAT to solve this problem?

And seriously, I can't believe YOU reached for the "anti-semite" thing.

Well, what you are preaching is, by definition, anti-semitic as you are calling for the overthrow of the Jewish peoples and their religion, all over a damn box of cereal no less. Do you sit down and objectively look at the stuff you write anymore?

At 10/14/08 10:38 PM, poxpower wrote: you said:

I don't know what to call it but you're literally asking us to do the same exact thing. "

How is that even CLOSE to calling you either racist or anti-semetic? How warped are you?

They avoid the grape stuff out of principle and you're asking everyone to avoid the kosher stuff out of principle.

"YOU" is the consumer, the person buying the product, and everyone who buys stuff is a consumer.

Ok so suddenly, "everyone" becomes "just the customer".

Lordy, let me rewrite what I originally said so you can fit this into your pea-sized brain:

Even if it causes THE CONSUMER no harm and is either neutral or beneficial to THE CONSUMER... you still don't want a part of it.

None of this makes you a bad person but it does make you a silly person for not seeing how stupid it is to complain about something that brings THE CONSUMER absolutely no harm and doesn't negatively affect or impede the way THE CONSUMER works, plays, or lives. You can't deny it: it's stupid.

So where's your argument against slave-labor now, nimrod? Doesn't hurt any customers as far as I can tell.

You're the one who made that shitty comparison in the first place!!!!! The argument against slave labor remains the same: kosher certification does NOT HARM ANYONE (whether consumer or not), slave-labor harms LOTS OF PEOPLE. What are you trying to say, that my previous argument is invalid now because slaves aren't consumers? What the FUCK.

Increasingly, supermarkets will give better shelf space to Kosher food.

Says who? And for what reason will they be given "better shelf space"? Where are you even getting this shit from?

And you're making a claim that it annoys no one

Saying "it may or may not" is NOT the same thing as that. I'm making a claim that YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA IF IT ANNOYS THEM OR NOT, and truth be told, YOU DON'T. It annoys you so you just assume it would annoy them too.

I give you clear situations where it's a hassle and you say "well maybe it doesn't really bother those people".

Clear situations? You're warp zone nine at this point. You pull hypotheticals out of your ass and call those clear situations? Okay, I'll tell you what -- you find me that butcher who is so pissed-off over a rabbi telling him how to do his job and then we can talk. You find me that office worker who is fed up with all those goddamned kosher TPS reports and then we'll chat. You explain to me how these trifling annoyances are causing the type of harm that's on par with SLAVE LABOR and maybe we can have some dialogue.

You're calling for a boycott but you can't even explain why OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES YOURSELF should give a shit.

You should only give a shit if you care about paying for a service you never asked for.

Except if the service is provided to you at a cost that is next-to-nothing, lacks any detrimental effects and is either neutral or otherwise beneficial towards the quality of the product being purchased. Then it's pretty safe to say you can go back to not giving a shit.

If you like paying for shit like that, may I interest you in my alien mind beam treatment? For only 5 cents per year, I will send anti-alien rays in the sky telling them not to attack your family.

Contact my insurance company.

At 10/14/08 11:09 PM, Menelaus wrote: So, does your anti-kosher campaign extend to all products you see as religiously-tainted or not?

Depends.
I don't care if a religious guy makes something. I care if he charges me extra because he prayed for it or danced around it.

Why should I pay for something I know adds nothing?
I don't want to pay for any useless extra shit. Doesn't have anything to do with religion. It could be anything. Like if you say you're going to put chrome rims on my car. I don't want that, why should I pay for it?

This situation is like making most cars with chrome rims because you know that a certain minority wants them and no one has the balls to say anything against it. As a seller, why wouldn't you do it? No one will leave your product on the shelf because you do that, and some extra people might buy it.

But you have spent money pandering to someone's caprice instead of investing it improving your product, thus creating a shittier society for non-morons.

At 10/14/08 11:15 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

They avoid the grape stuff out of principle and you're asking everyone to avoid the kosher stuff out of principle.

Ok then I don't buy anything from black people out of principle. Guess i'm not racist.

Even if it causes THE CONSUMER no harm and is either neutral or beneficial to THE CONSUMER... you still don't want a part of it.

It's not a benefit, it costs extra and doesn't do anything.

You're the one who made that shitty comparison in the first place!!!!!

Yes and your dismissal was that since it didn't keep "everyone" safe, it wasn't the same situation. I countered that, then you redefined "everyone" as "costumers" and that destroys your initial argument against the slave-labor comparison, and now you're really confused apparently.

Says who?

http://www.ou.org/kosher/kosherqa/superv is.htm#15

Saying "it may or may not" is NOT the same thing as that. I'm making a claim that YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA IF IT ANNOYS THEM OR NOT

Making installations kosher requires extra time and cost, something that annoys every enterprise and that anyone would like to avoid. It's just common sense.

Except if the service is provided to you at a cost that is next-to-nothing

Again: I will retain 10 cents of your paycheck for my Sasquatch Protection fund.
What do you have to say against that now?

At 10/14/08 05:34 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/14/08 05:19 PM, fli wrote: Because, if it's Kosher, it has to be people friendly...

No, not really.
http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm

I like this one:
"Grape products made by non-Jews may not be eaten. "

What does this have to do with the treatment of people?
I like kosher because, part of it, means that the people who produce/create/harvest these foods must be treated okay.

If a jew knew that if strawberries were picked by a 12 year old girl who's forced to pick them in 100 plus degree weather for 50 cents a day... they wouldn't put the kosher on those strawberries.

Like what I said about their response to slave starbuck's brazilian slave coffee.
They stopped drinking starbucks until they starbucks ensured them that slaves aren't used for their coffee.

What do you call that? If I said "I don't eat any wine that comes from a Jew", you'd instantly jump on me for being anti-semitic.

You assume waaaaaaay to much poxy babe.

At 10/14/08 04:49 AM, dySWN wrote: How is this relevant again?

Reposting for great justice. It's not like anyone's going to get a federal law in on the matter, and it's not like this is a huge matter of debate in any rational region of the world right now, so why do we even bother discussing this outside of the general board?

BTW, I'm not trying to be a backseat mod here. By all means, keep the thread going; I'm just lost as to how people figure this relates to politics in general.

At 10/14/08 11:17 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/14/08 11:09 PM, Menelaus wrote: So, does your anti-kosher campaign extend to all products you see as religiously-tainted or not?

Depends.
I don't care if a religious guy makes something. I care if he charges me extra because he prayed for it or danced around it.

So, you don't care if the workers' religion results in less production (say, not working on a certain day), thus costing you more?

At 10/14/08 11:48 PM, Menelaus wrote: So, you don't care if the workers' religion results in less production (say, not working on a certain day), thus costing you more?

Isn't that primarily why most folks get Sunday off?

At 10/14/08 11:32 PM, dySWN wrote:

At 10/14/08 04:49 AM, dySWN wrote:

It's not like anyone's going to get a federal law in on the matter, and it's not like this is a huge matter of debate in any rational region of the world right now, so why do we even bother discussing this outside of the general board?

Pox gets off on being a genius the world just isn't ready for.

At 10/14/08 11:23 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/14/08 11:15 PM, Cornbucket wrote:

They avoid the grape stuff out of principle and you're asking everyone to avoid the kosher stuff out of principle.

Ok then I don't buy anything from black people out of principle. Guess i'm not racist.

Oh, I see.

You're saying that Jews must be "anti-pagan" for that restriction... so if I say you're doing the same thing as them, then that means I'm calling you anti-semetic. I didn't even consider it like that, but now that I think about it... well, hell, you ARE being anti-semetic. You are against all religion and religion is an important aspect of Jewish life, therefore you are against the Jewish way of life and by extension, Jews.

In any case, not wanting to associate with someone because of their beliefs and their actions is a whole lot different than not wanting to associate with someone because of their complexion. The former has at least some hope of making sense, the latter does not.

It's not a benefit, it costs extra and doesn't do anything.

The prayer aspect might not be of benefit but the sanitation requirements certainly are.

You're the one who made that shitty comparison in the first place!!!!!

Yes and your dismissal was that since it didn't keep "everyone" safe, it wasn't the same situation. I countered that, then you redefined "everyone" as "costumers" and that destroys your initial argument against the slave-labor comparison, and now you're really confused apparently.

The only thing I'm confused about is why you're still nitpicking over your poorly-conceived and ill-fitting analogy instead of coming up with actual ways in which the certification process actually HARMS people. Forget consumers/producers/whatever -- slave labor is harmful, period. The certification process is not. Unnecessary maybe, but not harmful. Seriously, the closest you've gotten to "harm" is that yo might be losing 1/8 of a cent on your purchases for some unneeded service and that a handful of office folk and plant workers might be inconvenienced a bit. So THAT'S the important issue that you want people to rally and boycott over? Damn that's weak.

Says who?

LOL. You linked to something saying that sales of kosher food have been rising. If that's the case then OF COURSE they're going to get better shelf space. That's called reacting to consumer demand, not bending to the will of some evil religious cabal.

Making installations kosher requires extra time and cost, something that annoys every enterprise and that anyone would like to avoid. It's just common sense.

It wouldn't be common sense to avoid if it led to them getting more business. It'd actually be pretty STUPID for them to avoid it if it helped increase their sales.

What do you have to say against that now?

I already told you to contact my insurance company fool.

At 10/14/08 11:24 PM, fli wrote:

What does this have to do with the treatment of people?

Nothing, it was you who claimed that somehow, kosher food insured a good treatment of people, when it doesn't mention it at all.

If a jew knew that if strawberries were picked by a 12 year old girl who's forced to pick them in 100 plus degree weather for 50 cents a day... they wouldn't put the kosher on those strawberries.

Why not? Certainly not mentioned in their Kosher rules.
I assume he wouldn't put it on there just because he doesn't agree with how the company is run, but that doesn't have anything to do with Kosher laws or being Jewish.

You assume waaaaaaay to much poxy babe.

So I wrongly assumed that you would call me antisemitic if I declared I don't drink wine if it was produced by a jewish person?

Wow you're kind of an ass, because that WOULD be antisemitic. And it sure sounds a lot different than not buying grap products from non-jewish people... oh wait...
Oops. Kosher laws are inherently racist. Oops. You support a racist worldview if you buy Kosher grape products from now on.
Sorry I told you, now you can't ignore it anymore :(

Nah, I'm just overthinking, right? It's not that big a deal if it's just a LITTLE racism and it doesn't really affect anyone, so let's just not even act like it's wrong and make me out to be the bad guy.

At 10/14/08 11:48 PM, Menelaus wrote:

First off, acknowledge my point that you wouldn't pay for a service you didn't ask for. Why would you just ignore that completely?

So, you don't care if the workers' religion results in less production (say, not working on a certain day), thus costing you more?

I can't possibly control that. If there was some way to know, I would make my best to boycott said products, but I can't.
However I can know if it's certified Kosher because they put a symbol on the packages.

And why do you think it's about religion? Wouldn't you boycott a company who's workers you knew just kept jerking off all day instead of working? I'd certainly favor a hard-working company over the lazy one, but thankfully the market would tend to make the products of hard-workers cost less for their quality.

At 10/15/08 12:01 AM, Cornbucket wrote:
You're saying that Jews must be "anti-pagan" for that restriction...

The ONLY reason they avoid grape products made by non-jews is because the people are not the same religion as they are.
THAT IS THE ONLY REASON, THAT IS PURE RACISM, YOU UNDERSTAND?

My reason for not buying kosher isn't because it's jewish, it's because it's fucking stupid. It's the same reason why I don't buy plots of land on the moon and I don't cure myself with crystals. You can be any color and any religion, if you try to sell me something stupid I don't want, I won't buy it and I don't want to pay for it.

How the fuck is that racist?

The prayer aspect might not be of benefit but the sanitation requirements certainly are.

If they were necessary, they would be mandated by the FDA or whoever is in charge of food inspection. If you want to pay for the extra security you think it brings, you're free to do so. I don't want any part of it.

in which the certification process actually HARMS people.

No one said it harms people. It's just a useless time and money waster.

LOL. You linked to something saying that sales of kosher food have been rising. If that's the case then OF COURSE they're going to get better shelf space. That's called reacting to consumer demand, not bending to the will of some evil religious cabal.

Yes, so? You asked me to prove that they were being favored on shelves, and they are.

It wouldn't be common sense to avoid if it led to them getting more business. It'd actually be pretty STUPID for them to avoid it if it helped increase their sales.

The only reason it does is because no one will speak up to stop it. Stop 1000 random people on the street and ask them "would you pay 1 cent to have your food be kosher" and there's no way any of them will say "sure!" if they're not jewish.
Non-jewish people just don't give a shit, while jews DO care, so obviously pandering to them is beneficial for companies since they might as well have that extra market share.

But the overall result is that millions of people who'd never ever pay one cent for that service end up paying for it.

At 10/15/08 12:11 AM, poxpower wrote: The ONLY reason they avoid grape products made by non-jews is because the people are not the same religion as they are.
THAT IS THE ONLY REASON, THAT IS PURE RACISM, YOU UNDERSTAND?

Apparently you're too dumb to see the difference between not agreeing with a religion (a person or group's beliefs, traditions, and practices) and hating an entire race. People get to pick what to believe in and what to do with themselves, they DON'T get to pick who their parents and ancestors are. One of those is potentially justifiable, the other isn't justifiable in any which way.

I don't agree with Scientology's beliefs and practices so apparently that makes me a racist according to you.

My reason for not buying kosher isn't because it's jewish, it's because it's fucking stupid. It's the same reason why I don't buy plots of land on the moon and I don't cure myself with crystals. You can be any color and any religion, if you try to sell me something stupid I don't want, I won't buy it and I don't want to pay for it.

How the fuck is that racist?

It isn't. You need to learn what the hell the word 'racist' actually means, buddy.

If they were necessary, they would be mandated by the FDA or whoever is in charge of food inspection. If you want to pay for the extra security you think it brings, you're free to do so. I don't want any part of it.

in which the certification process actually HARMS people.

No one said it harms people. It's just a useless time and money waster.

Well, before you said it wasn't REALLY about the money anyway. And now you finally admit that it doesn't harm people. So now all you have left is "it's a time waster".

News alert: A boycott would be an even bigger waste of time.

LOL. You linked to something saying that sales of kosher food have been rising. If that's the case then OF COURSE they're going to get better shelf space. That's called reacting to consumer demand, not bending to the will of some evil religious cabal.

Yes, so? You asked me to prove that they were being favored on shelves, and they are.

SO you said the following:

"The pressure is being felt to have your food pass the kosher test "just because".

But, of course, that ISN'T the case. If kosher food sold better than non-kosher food, the "pressure" to offer more of it wouldn't be "just because", it'd be due to obvious market demand.

It wouldn't be common sense to avoid if it led to them getting more business. It'd actually be pretty STUPID for them to avoid it if it helped increase their sales.

The only reason it does is because no one will speak up to stop it. Stop 1000 random people on the street and ask them "would you pay 1 cent to have your food be kosher" and there's no way any of them will say "sure!" if they're not jewish.

Again, how do you know any of that? You yourself clearly JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS... so you're the first anti-kosher crusader the world's ever seen? Holy shit. It's wierd, you have this complex that suggests you believe everyone would think the same way as you do, but on the other face of it you're all bitchy and moany because people obviously DON'T think the same way as you do! Explain to them exactly what they're getting for that one penny -- no wait, have someone other than yourself explain it since you'd obviously inject your own bullshit opinion into it -- and then give it a shot. If you think you'd go through all thousand people and not get at least a handful of coinage then you're an idiot.

Really Pox, I think you're just mad no one else is as emotionally outraged as you, and no one's jumped on this great crusade of yours.....

You're mad because companies are jacking up their prices (or so you think they are) to cater to a religious group. Period. That's your complaint. The company hires a rabbi to bless the food, and you get charged for the rabbi's cost, because the company just raises the price of the product to meet with the expense of the rabbi. That's your complaint. Your paying for a rabbi to perform his services.

Your complaint is that companies are raising the prices of their products to meet with the expense of advertising to a particular group of people. And you're outraged because that group happens to be religious.

Now if these companies were getting the label to bypass FDA requirements, I might see your point. But when your own link states that most kosher requirements are so sanitary they become exempt from regulations, I think you're being a complete self-indulgent fuck, out of sheer blind hatred for all things religious.

Your complaint isn't that these foods are bypassing health codes due to their religious label,your complaint is that these foods have a religious label which raises the cost of the product. Your complaint is that the company charges you to appeal to Jews to buy their product.

Lemme repeat:

Your complaint is not that these foods are bypassing health codes due to their religious label, your complaint is that these foods have a religious label which raises the cost of the product. Your complaint is that the company ultimately charges you for their advertisement to Jews.

Fantastic fuck argument.......

But hey, I'm with you. All those fucking peanut allergy people need their fucking labels, and the company's jacking up the price to put that label on!! I don't wanna have to pay for YOUR fucking peanut allergy, so I'm boycotting all peanut allergy labelling companies and products.

See, it's the principle of the thing! I shouldn't have to pay for a product that advertises to a group of people I'm not apart of, because it's fucking stupid!!

Not only that, but those "Careful! Extremely Hot!" signs I'm paying for. I know it's hot, and I REFUSE to pay extra for the fuckwads who need the label to tell them it's hot!! It's the principleof the thing!!

While we're at it, let's go for broke Pox:Let's boycot any company that advertises to a particular group of people and incorporates that expense into the cost of the product.

You're a fucking moron.
Now lock your own damn idiotic thread please.