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At 10/22/08 02:32 PM, Brian wrote:

1) The Kosher standard is based on religious teachings. Because they aren't backed up by science, it doesn't make sense to use them as a standard.

I'm not saying they aren't or weren't backed by science ( in parts ) at one time, but they're clearly outdated.
Not to mention they trail around a lot of completely, 100% unscientific notions around with them ( such as the no shellfish thing, or not eating pork. OR RABBITS too. Damn you, rabbits! ).

2) The Kosher standard costs individuals time and money because you believe the cost is spread out over consumers.

Indeed.

If company X sells a product and makes Y dollars off of that product a year, but could make Z more dollars by selling the product to people who look for the Kosher mark, why shouldn't they.

Because there's assholes like me who go out of their way to stop buying the produts.
Eventually.

In this sense, the Jews are paying for the Kosher mark and only the Jews.

No.

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and now a long money explanation from dr pox!

Before:

Cost of making food: 10 bucks
Cost of making food kosher: 1 buck
Product sold: 1000
Selling price: 12 bucks.
Company made: 1000 bucks

Money given to kosher: 1 dollar

Kosher gets popular:

Cost of making food: 10 bucks
Cost of making it kosher: 1 buck
Products sold: 10 000
Company makes enough cash to reduce price to: 11.50
Company makes: 5000 bucks

Money given to kosher: 1 dollar.

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Strange, I thought that I paid no money at all for my kosher food?
But... the price EVEN WENT DOWN? How can it be?

You're still paying for it today, no one "fronted all the costs, past, present and future" of the process. It still keeps them in employ TO THIS DAY.

And I get your "in a sense" way of seeing it, but it's WRONG because you assume that the cost came from the extra cash the costumer gave BEFORE the sales boost, when that really didn't have anything to do with the food being kosher and more to do with how much of it they sold.

Today the cost is spread thinner, but you're still contributing.

At 10/22/08 04:35 PM, Korriken wrote:
so.... it's ok to buy kosher food from a restaurant, but not from a store.

lord...

It's ok to buy kosher food from WHO YOU WANT, WHEN YOU WANT and WHERE YOU WANT.
But just know that:

- you are funding a pseudo-science when you do it
- you are funding racism and sexism
- you are not getting a significantly better product
- you are being a dumbass.

But hey I like being a dumbass from time to time, hence I will eat smoked meat at some place in Montreal. Why not? It tastes great, no one denies that. But I know that when I do it, I'm wasting a part of my money on something retarded.

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People who refuse to buy anything but kosher food are the "crazy dollars" that pay for the kosher process. Since they demand that and won't settle for less, there will always be someone there to sell it to them.

Unless you can round up enough really dedicated friends to start a gigantic boycott, you'll never get major companies to stop producing kosher foods. Even if you DO manage that, the food will still be produced by specialty companies, and the same amount of resources will be wasted, possibly more because the companies will be less conglomerated and will have to act individually.

The only way to get out of having the service at all is to get rid of the demand for it. How do we do that? Kill all humans, I guess.

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At 10/22/08 07:47 PM, Elfer wrote:

The only way to get out of having the service at all is to get rid of the demand for it. How do we do that? Kill all humans, I guess.

Or school people like N64 kid.
I find it pretty odd coming from you too. The hell, you know better than to imagine stupid rituals will be around forever just because they're popular at a certain point in time.

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At 10/22/08 08:45 PM, poxpower wrote: Or school people like N64 kid.
I find it pretty odd coming from you too. The hell, you know better than to imagine stupid rituals will be around forever just because they're popular at a certain point in time.

Judaism is something between 3000 and 5000 years old and more religions pop up every century. Good luck with that.

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At 10/22/08 08:45 PM, poxpower wrote: Or school people like N64 kid.
I find it pretty odd coming from you too. The hell, you know better than to imagine stupid rituals will be around forever just because they're popular at a certain point in time.

I'm not saying they'll be around forever, I'm saying they'll be around until all the stupid people die, just like with any stupid ritual.

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At 10/23/08 07:43 AM, Elfer wrote:

I'm not saying they'll be around forever, I'm saying they'll be around until all the stupid people die, just like with any stupid ritual.

The list of gods and rituals that are no longer in practice is probably far longer than the list of rituals that still are.

People aren't stupid, they're just ignorant and arrogant. Wait I guess that is sort of the combination that makes someone stupid.

Anyway, it's quite satisfying to laugh at people who do something you know is retarded. Maybe when they've had enough of getting laughed at, they'll stop with their bullshit.

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At 10/23/08 07:54 AM, poxpower wrote: Anyway, it's quite satisfying to laugh at people who do something you know is retarded. Maybe when they've had enough of getting laughed at, they'll stop with their bullshit.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Traditionally speaking, people take that shit to the grave with them. Religious fundamentalism is on a steady decline, but the majority of that decline doesn't come from people having epiphanies, it comes from them dying and new people not buying into religion.