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At 10/12/08 10:56 AM, kylexthexpostman wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:43 AM, Carbogen wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:42 AM, mwmike wrote: I'd guess that different atheists would believe different things.

Why do you think Atheism is popular among teens?

Because they're all a bunch of fucks who think they are being different.

This right here, Been established.

I was a little bit like that a few years ago, then I thought to myself that there has to be a creator of some sort.
I don't believe in the bible, but there HAS to be a creator.
We weren't just put here by chance, that's fucking retarded.

This right here. Well, if any of the 94% of NG see this, they'll all be racing for the reply to post button and go: YOU A IDIOT, LOLOLOL, (insert flawed argument here) IF THEREZ G0D, THEN (insert "why doesnt this happen" scenario), assuming they havent already clicked the Mature section button

At 10/12/08 08:42 AM, DasUberCow wrote: Yes. Sure it doesnt makes any sense but it makes a lot more sense than some superhuman being made the earth in 6 fucking days! Plus the big bang has been scientifically proven so dont see that were just making it up.

Completely true... I'm glad someone can finally see what that actually stands for.

At 10/12/08 08:53 AM, MickTheChampion wrote: The universe has just always been here.

I always thought you were Catholic.

Anywho, Yes, for the most part we thing the big bang happened, but it's not the first time either.
It's likely that the universe have expanded and contracted an infinite amount of times.

No it didn't happen by chance. Look it up retard. Abiogenesis explains the origins of complex lifeforms which evolved to the life we know today by natural selection. LOOK IT UP RETARD.

At 10/12/08 08:41 AM, Carbogen wrote: Do most atheists believe that the universe which was created from a big bang, caused life, planets, stars, etc to happen by complete chance?

That's scientology. Atheism is just that you don't have a religion and you don't believe in the idea of a god or gods.

At 10/12/08 08:42 AM, Lost-Chances wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:41 AM, Carbogen wrote: Do most atheists believe that the universe which was created from a big bang, caused life, planets, stars, etc to happen by complete chance?

Yes. They do believe that.

I don't. I still believe that Tom Fulp did it.

HE'LL PERMABAN YOU ALL, ONE DAY

At 10/12/08 08:47 AM, FRATBOYD wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:45 AM, Gabriel234 wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:44 AM, FRATBOYD wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:42 AM, DasUberCow wrote: Plus the big bang has been scientifically proven

Um, no it hasen't.

Yes it is.

No it ain't. You can't prove that the univers randomly exploeded into life.

Yes, yes you can. Every single object in the universe is moving thus making the universe to expand. What do you think that generated that movement? Damn, some people here are thick motherfuckers.

At 10/12/08 11:13 AM, junkietomato wrote: Yes, yes you can. Every single object in the universe is moving thus making the universe to expand. What do you think that generated that movement? Damn, some people here are thick motherfuckers.

Just because there is evidence, doesn't mean that it's proven. There's proof of almost every religious prophet, but that doesn't make a religion true.

Yes you're a thick mother fucker.

Yes we do.

Wait, why did you make two of these. Obviouse trolls arn't supposed to try and be obviouse.

more to the point, why is crushing someone else's belief or opinion so popular among teens

At 10/12/08 11:17 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: Just because there is evidence, doesn't mean that it's proven. There's proof of almost every religious prophet, but that doesn't make a religion true.

Yes you're a thick mother fucker.

Well at least there's evindence and a logical explanation. BTW: PROPHET =/= DIVINE ENTITY so if there's some lunatic claiming that after all existence is the work of a giant albino ferret it doesn't make it true. And most phenomenon in the universe don't happen by random chance, do some research and get your shit straight. Idiot.

I don't know about other Atheists, but I believe in the evolution theory and the Bib Bang theory.

At 10/12/08 11:26 AM, junkietomato wrote: Well at least there's evindence and a logical explanation. BTW: PROPHET =/= DIVINE ENTITY so if there's some lunatic claiming that after all existence is the work of a giant albino ferret it doesn't make it true. And most phenomenon in the universe don't happen by random chance, do some research and get your shit straight. Idiot.

What the fuck are you on about?
Earth to junkietomato, earth to junkietomato! Come in junkietomato
THEORY =/= SCIENTIFIC FACT
Get it through that thick skull. The big bang has PROBABLY happened multiple times. But you NEED MORE than a logical explanation and a little bit of evidence to call it SCIENTIFIC FACT.
junkietomato do you read me? JUNKIETOMATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 10/12/08 11:13 AM, junkietomato wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:47 AM, FRATBOYD wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:45 AM, Gabriel234 wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:44 AM, FRATBOYD wrote:

At 10/12/08 08:42 AM, DasUberCow wrote: Plus the big bang has been scientifically proven

Um, no it hasen't.

Yes it is.

No it ain't. You can't prove that the univers randomly exploeded into life.

Yes, yes you can. Every single object in the universe is moving thus making the universe to expand. What do you think that generated that movement? Damn, some people here are thick motherfuckers.

No you can't prove it. You can only prove that there was a big bang at one point. There is no evidence on the initial state that caused the big bang, how that state came to be and what caused the conditions leading up to the big bang.

At 10/12/08 10:56 AM, kylexthexpostman wrote: I was a little bit like that a few years ago, then I thought to myself that there has to be a creator of some sort.
I don't believe in the bible, but there HAS to be a creator.

Why does there have to? With quantum mechanics and all that fun shit, how do you know the universe didn't go back in time and cause itself or something? A causal loop would make more sense than an effect without a cause, at least to me...

At 10/12/08 11:42 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: No you can't prove it. You can only prove that there was a big bang at one point. There is no evidence on the initial state that caused the big bang, how that state came to be and what caused the conditions leading up to the big bang.

Stephen fucking Hawking said that asking what happened before the Big Bang is like trying to find the north in the north pole, it doesn't make sense. But on the other hand, there's the theory of two massive objects crashing against eachother thus creating the big bang.

At 10/12/08 11:34 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: What the fuck are you on about?
Earth to junkietomato, earth to junkietomato! Come in junkietomato
THEORY =/= SCIENTIFIC FACT
Get it through that thick skull. The big bang has PROBABLY happened multiple times. But you NEED MORE than a logical explanation and a little bit of evidence to call it SCIENTIFIC FACT.
junkietomato do you read me? JUNKIETOMATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what? A great amount of scientific facts are not fully proven. Anyway you're going off topic, my main point was that the fact that everything in space is moving is evidence of a massive explosion - defeating the dumb remark that "it happened by random chance". It didn't happen by random chance, life on earth did not happen by random chance. And no, I'm not saying some powerful being created us.

At 10/12/08 11:34 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: THEORY =/= SCIENTIFIC FACT

Theory is also not the same as "guess" or "a hunch", how many times do people need to be told? Stop sleeping at physics class:

Observation, hypothesis, Testing, Theory. For example, the Theory of Gravity was reached through testing, eg. do iobjects of different weights fall the same speeds etc, and later, the Newtonian model was first replaced by the Einsteinian model, and even later, we have reached a new theory of Gravity through methods that have very little to do with dropping lead balls from towers.

At 10/12/08 11:59 AM, junkietomato wrote:

At 10/12/08 11:34 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: What the fuck are you on about?
Earth to junkietomato, earth to junkietomato! Come in junkietomato
THEORY =/= SCIENTIFIC FACT
Get it through that thick skull. The big bang has PROBABLY happened multiple times. But you NEED MORE than a logical explanation and a little bit of evidence to call it SCIENTIFIC FACT.
junkietomato do you read me? JUNKIETOMATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what? A great amount of scientific facts are not fully proven.

Are you listening to yourself? It's fact but it just hasn't been proven yet.

Anyway you're going off topic,

No, me and a whole lot of other people called you out on calling a theory, something that hasn't been proven or dis-proven, fact.

my main point was that the fact that everything in space is moving is evidence of a massive explosion - defeating the dumb remark that "it happened by random chance". It didn't happen by random chance, life on earth did not happen by random chance. And no, I'm not saying some powerful being created us.

Given the mass and area of the explosion, I'd assume nothing is by chance either. It probably did have a uniform blast. But that in no way makes it fact, so quit calling everything you think is true fact.

Nobody is saying you don't have the right idea, but just because it's the best thing out there right now doesn't mean it's fact.

At 10/12/08 10:56 AM, kylexthexpostman wrote: I don't believe in the bible, but there HAS to be a creator.
We weren't just put here by chance, that's fucking retarded.

You're an idiot. If there HAS to be a creator, then there HAS to be a creator of that creator, and there HAS to be a creator of that creator. That's obviously impossible, and the only other way for there to be a creator is if the creator just appeared by random chance, which is "fucking retarded." And don't give me that "GOD'S SO POWERFUL HE CREATED HIMSELF" shit. For something to be powerful at all, it has to exist first. It's a fucking ridiculous belief if you actually think about it a little.

People need to accept the fact that there's no way of ever knowing how exactly we got here, and there's no point in believing any religion. We just need to live life. For the hell of it.

At 10/12/08 11:52 AM, junkietomato wrote:

At 10/12/08 11:42 AM, Snake-Arsenic wrote: No you can't prove it. You can only prove that there was a big bang at one point. There is no evidence on the initial state that caused the big bang, how that state came to be and what caused the conditions leading up to the big bang.

Stephen fucking Hawking said that asking what happened before the Big Bang is like trying to find the north in the north pole, it doesn't make sense. But on the other hand, there's the theory of two massive objects crashing against eachother thus creating the big bang.

This isn't about opposite and attracting forces or naming conventions it's about matter and energy, which make up the universe as we know it, and the theory that it started with something that exploded.

Therefore something had to have been in the universe beforehand, or that the universe was different before the big bang and therefore the big bang is responsible for the known universe(not necessarily all of it) and not the creation of the universe itself.

The two massive objects theory supports this as well as the critical mass of concentrated matter and energy supports this and leads to the question "where did they come from?".

Putting faith in that "an explosion happened and there was no universe before it" is no more logical than believing that god exists.

making a thread about religion will just cause massive flame but what the hell....

IMO god DOES exist and he is the ultimate creator of every living oganism

As a programmer, I believe god is real.

An xbox-shaped disk COULD have randomly been formed what with many chemicals and minerals randomly mixing for billions of years(more likely than life forming)

It COULD have been magnetically charged by little bits of magnetic material in a specific order as to make a readable copy of Halo 3(more likely than life SURVIVING)

But it is much more likely that a programmer made it(Which did happen)

At 10/12/08 12:07 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:

At 10/12/08 11:34 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: THEORY =/= SCIENTIFIC FACT

Theory is also not the same as "guess" or "a hunch", how many times do people need to be told?

Thanks to people like you I still have a little faith in humanity.

At 10/12/08 12:07 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:

At 10/12/08 11:34 AM, Prinzy2 wrote: THEORY =/= SCIENTIFIC FACT

Theory is also not the same as "guess" or "a hunch", how many times do people need to be told? Stop sleeping at physics class:

Well actually I never took physics, I was in the stupid science class. That's what i get for sleeping in Grade 9 science class lol.

Observation, hypothesis, Testing, Theory. For example, the Theory of Gravity was reached through testing, eg. do iobjects of different weights fall the same speeds etc, and later, the Newtonian model was first replaced by the Einsteinian model, and even later, we have reached a new theory of Gravity through methods that have very little to do with dropping lead balls from towers.

Gravity is the thing that we named to explain WHY the lead balls went down instead of up. Now they are figuring out what masses attract other masses and at what rates. It's like of like asking why diesel works so good at getting grime off your hands. Nobody questions that it works, they are just figuring out what it's limitations are.

At 10/12/08 12:09 PM, Prinzy2 wrote: Are you listening to yourself? It's fact but it just hasn't been proven yet.

Yes, yes I am.

No, me and a whole lot of other people called you out on calling a theory, something that hasn't been proven or dis-proven, fact.

I never called any theory a fact, I just said it was the next best thing, like the other guy said: a theory is not the same as a hunch.

Given the mass and area of the explosion, I'd assume nothing is by chance either. It probably did have a uniform blast. But that in no way makes it fact, so quit calling everything you think is true fact.

and Dr. Dipshit strikes again... ok then I say it's true that the earth is hollow and has an inner sun and advanced creatures live in there. Prove me wrong with solid evidence. Go ahead, knock youself out.

Nobody is saying you don't have the right idea, but just because it's the best thing out there right now doesn't mean it's fact.

Well, if it's the best thing out there why the fuck can't we believe in it until anyone proves it wrong? Seriously that's how fucking science evolves.

At 10/12/08 12:26 PM, junkietomato wrote:

At 10/12/08 12:09 PM, Prinzy2 wrote: No, me and a whole lot of other people called you out on calling a theory, something that hasn't been proven or dis-proven, fact.

I never called any theory a fact, I just said it was the next best thing, like the other guy said: a theory is not the same as a hunch.

You've been calling the big band THEORY fact the whole time. Are you retarded as well?

Given the mass and area of the explosion, I'd assume nothing is by chance either. It probably did have a uniform blast. But that in no way makes it fact, so quit calling everything you think is true fact.

and Dr. Dipshit strikes again... ok then I say it's true that the earth is hollow and has an inner sun and advanced creatures live in there. Prove me wrong with solid evidence. Go ahead, knock youself out.

Nana nana boo boo, I don't have to. :P

Nobody is saying you don't have the right idea, but just because it's the best thing out there right now doesn't mean it's fact.

Well, if it's the best thing out there why the fuck can't we believe in it until anyone proves it wrong? Seriously that's how fucking science evolves.

No, that's how science stays still. Science evolves by challenging theories over and over again until it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

At 10/12/08 08:41 AM, Carbogen wrote: Do most atheists believe that the universe which was created from a big bang, caused life, planets, stars, etc to happen by complete chance?

Aetheists believe different theories, but they all do not beleive in the existence of a god or gods

At 10/12/08 12:15 PM, ResidentOEvil wrote: An xbox-shaped disk COULD have randomly been formed what with many chemicals and minerals randomly mixing for billions of years(more likely than life forming)
It COULD have been magnetically charged by little bits of magnetic material in a specific order as to make a readable copy of Halo 3(more likely than life SURVIVING)

More likely? Lulwat, cite some fucking sources for that.

Matter of fact, most of the stuff used to create CD's are metals that can only be found way down the earths crust and syntethic materials, like plastic which is derived from oil which is a product of organic rotting.

While the chemicals needed to create the first amenic acids are pretty simple and elementary. The reason it doesn't happen any more is because there is enough life to eat those away straight away.

But it is much more likely that a programmer made it(Which did happen)

First of all, do programmers themselves make every disc? And the last time I checked, programmers are not any sort of authorities in biology, theology, physics or really anything except programming itself, and any other subject they've studied and gotten some status to call themselves an expert of.

I don't have any degree of any science, i admit. But that doesn't mean I can't adopt theories actual expperts have come up with.

Also, as for odds and the likeness of survival of life, take a look at the night sky. Each star is like our star, and it's likely most of them have some satellites (or as they're also known, planets orbittin them). Earth just got lucky in the lottery, or unlucky, seeing how we treat it.