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Posted at: 10/1/08 06:24 PM

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Do you like to dream? Do you have problems dreaming and remembering your dreams? I am a big dreamer. I love to dream. I have a dream log of 170+ pages and I have done extensive amounts of sleep testing to find out just what works and what doesn't when it comes to inducing the best dreams.

Dreams are influenced by all the factors in your daily life that effect your health. Sleep, food, exercise, breathing, and patternization. You need to control and harness these variables to achieve the greatest results. You have to want to dream, if you don't want it, it wont find you. This means you have to be open and willing.

To lucid dream means that you are awake when you are dreaming. I haven't achieved TRUE lucid dreaming, but I have achieved the equivelent and possibly better. When you lucid dream everything becomes super-real and you awareness is focused for a period of about 2-10 minutes. It's one of the greatest feelings on this earth and possibly better then sex, food or exercise in my opinion.

Your dreams are effected by a hormone called Seratonin. The more seratonin build up you have in your brain the harder and stronger your dreams are. When you sleep your brain uses up seratonin and when you're awake it builds up seratonin. This means if you sleep a lot your brain wont make it correctly. To properly induce seratonin production you have to sleep deprive yourself for about three days. Sleep deprivation is key to controlling your dreams.

The best way to avoid extreme sleep deprivation is by napping. Taking little naps (every 4 hours for about 20 minutes) will give you greater sleep control. Eventually it develops into a pattern and your mind makes a large amount of REM in a very short period of time due to necessity. If you do this enough it develops into a pattern and you will have really strong powerfull dreams every time you nap. It's really out of this world. The 20 minute nap will give you a stronger dream then a full night sleep ever could.

To make seratonin you need sugar/carbs/tryptophan. This means if you don't eat you don't get sleepy. This doesn't mean you should over-eat, because if you eat too much you will fall asleep. What this means is that you should have a proper diet. Tryptophan directly turns into seratonin. It's found in things like banana's and sesame seeds.

Exercise isn't necessary but man do you get amazingly restfull sleeps if you turn over your insulin through exercise. They're the most peacefull dreams you could imagine. I like walking. It's a great way to stay awake and I have gone on walks that have lasted longer then 12 hours. I usually average a 1 hour walk a day, 4 hour walks every 2-3 days and on sunday I like to go on a super-walk.

It's important that you keep a pattern of your sleep. This creates balance and control. Sleep deprivation doesn't necessarily mean you should stay up all night. A better way to sleep deprive yourself is to get up really really early. Try going to bed at midnight or earlier, no later. The later you stay up the more REM builds up and the harder you will crash. Unless you stay up for 2-3 days in a row it's not good to stay up all night. When I go to bed at midnight I usually wake up at around 3:00 am in the morning, usually not that tired. Make sure you sleep properly!

Avoid caffiene and eating at night. If you want to sleep, eat, because the sugar will put yourself to sleep but unless you want to wake up tired you want to avoid eating. I also try not to eat until a few hours after I wake up because I will fall back asleep after I have eaten.

Fasting is an amazing way to avoid sleep as well. If you don't eat for a full day your insulin turns over and your brain doesn't have any "junk" in it so it's clean and operating without confusion. It's a weird feeling when you have hit midnight, haven't slept for over 24 hours and you're not tired and you can "watch" your brain function. It's one of the coolest feelings you can have.

Before bed rituals are important. When you lay in bed try to recall everything you did that day. Mentally pick up a "mind remote" and press rewind and replay everything that you have done in your day backwards. It helps increase dream recall. Remember to brush your teeth, take a piss and take a shit.

So as a recap:

-Don't be a pig! Over eating is bad for you. Try not to eat for days at a time and see what happens. I have gone over a week without food I assure you, you will be fine. Worst case scenario you lose a few pounds. Food is very important! I like banana's.

-Make a pattern and try to hold it. This means going to bed by midnight and waking up really early. Take naps during the after noon, on a regular basis and every week try to go two days without sleep altogether.

-Have a before bed ritual, bathroom, meditation, watching your day backwards, praying, etc.

-You have to want to dream. The more you want it the more it will come to you.

-Sleep deprive yourself. You want to wake up early as oppose to stay up late, but not sleeping for a few days will make you feel insane and you will have crazy dreams as a result if you can harness your REM. When you sleep you use seratonin when you're awake you make it.

-Take naps. 20 minute naps every 4 hours instead of sleeping long periods at a time.

-Exercise, particularily really hard cardio.

-certain drugs effect seratonin. You can get 5HTP pills that directly effect your seratonin production. Some people who have sleep problems take them to help them sleep.

-Don't take speed. Speed blocks REM from happening, which ultimately makes you retarded if you do it too much.

Think about how much of your life is spent sleeping. You will have lived half the time as a man who slept half as much as you. When you have gone a few days without sleep it's an amazing feeling. 10:00 am feels like 6:00 pm.

Famous nappers (polyphasic sleep ie: 20 minute naps every 4 hours) include Vinci, Edison, Tesla, Churchill, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and even Bruce Lee.

When you don't sleep you have more hormones in your blood, more cortisol, more epinpherine, more human growht hormone. It's the most amazing feeling in your life, it's like you're on steroids. You actually feel alive. Excess sleep is actually bad for you.

I have amazing dreams every day. I wake up from naps in pure pleasure more then 3 times in a day some days. I hear beautiful music at least 3x a week and I have seen more then 3 different aliens. Discuss your dreams and what not.


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Posted at: 10/1/08 06:30 PM

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I'm amazed that you went so far into detail, interesting read.

But I'm not sure if I want to be seeing aliens when I neet to concentrate on something...

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YAY. Lucid dream here is come!!


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sounds interesting...


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if it lets me make an ak47 appear in my hands out of nowhere again, i'm in.

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Interesting, i've taken notes and i will follow your advice kind sir.


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I think ill do the sleep depriving part the most. The most I've never slept is 2 days but your right sleep depriving works and it works really good.


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Melatonin and L-dopa are some good otc shit to jack up your seratonin and give you nice dreams.


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I've done it before hoping to get sexual fantasies, but I only got a mass urderer chicken cutting off my legs and burning my body parts.

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Wow. Thanks! Might try this some time.

I fucking hate euphemism.

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The gist of this post:

Destroy your health and you will have great dreams.

I've already destroyed my health, so I will try this. ( probably not ).
I did notice that the best dreams are the ones you have when you haven't slept for 24+ hours.


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I thought Serotonin was the fluid in your brain that tells you what mood you are in.

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My sleep cycle is very hectic and it's always shifting and changing. And so does my life as a result of my sleeping habits. This explains why I have such strange dreams probably.


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source.
pfft, like you really typed all of that...


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Interesting but I prefer to keep my health the way it is honestly, I'm considered in shape and I'd like to keep it that way until I can no longer be in shape.

It's survival of the wittest.

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Sleep deprivation is good for you. Leonardo Da Vinci lived twice as long as a normal man from his age. It probably helped that he was a genius though.


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At 10/1/08 07:42 PM, swaenK wrote: Sleep deprivation is good for you. Leonardo Da Vinci lived twice as long as a normal man from his age. It probably helped that he was a genius though.

Actually when the body is stressed from lack of food it tends to over compensate, so people who are under nourished actually live longer. I learned that from a Nova Now episode. Maybe sleep deprivation can cause the same thing, or maybe Da Vinci also ate very little compared to most other people of his time.


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Love ya swaenk. Very helpful to those who don't talk to you about dreams on a daily basis ;P

I still don't have Bananas laying around though.. it's been on my to-do list for a while now. My alarm has been messing up my sleep for a while now, I need one that will actually wake me up.

This sounds more like a guide on how to have vivid clear dreams, not lucid dreams. Although a vivid clear dream will help, you don't mention anything about dream signs, and tests to see if you're in a dream.

I've been working with dreams for a while now, but still have a long way to go till I'm producing prolific night images like yourself.

This has inspired me to finish my dreamlog account on NG... I will get all that set up now :)

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Posting here so I can come read this later.

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Very interesting read, a lot of detail too. I'm probably going to look into this a little more after reading that.

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Thank you. I have been wanting to let this out for ages. Well I found this thing on the internet called I-Doser basically this is a program made by scientists that change the brain waves to have the desired effect such as cocaine. This is transferred through high quality head phones while lying down and relaxing. Pay to have different doses/effects one is called lucid dream. Guys if you really want to have a lucid dream quick then go there and there is a place to download all doses free just look on youtube. I tried it and I could control every single aspect of my dream. Try it and maybe get a few other doses while your at it.

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dreams suck, since I only sleep for 6 hours, im forced to wake up during them, so I feel like a truck hit me in the face every morning..

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At 10/1/08 07:58 PM, x-factor11 wrote: dreams suck, since I only sleep for 6 hours, im forced to wake up during them, so I feel like a truck hit me in the face every morning..

actually, if anyone knows a way how to stop dreaming, id actually like to know that..

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It's intriguing, but I'd rather get a good 6-8 hours of sleep a night and not dream than sleep deprive myself. I'm sleep deprived right now, and not even to the degree you were mentioning.

It's a good guide on lucid dreaming, but sadly it's not for me. I guess I'm just doomed to a lifetime of rarely dreaming.


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You do realise that lucid dreaming is a mith and anyone who claims to have done it is in denial or is trying to sell a book to idiots who do believe it's possible?

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i wouldn't mind doing it but it sounds like so much work for it to work :S

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At 10/1/08 08:12 PM, BlackPlastic wrote: You do realise that lucid dreaming is a mith and anyone who claims to have done it is in denial or is trying to sell a book to idiots who do believe it's possible?

God I hate you people. Just try and relax. Think about your dream really hard. Please. Go home, make a nice friggin cup o' tea and try it. It will make up for how horrible you spelled "myth" please. Do it. Or I will come to your house and slaughter you. Hows that sound? Good i'm glad you agree. Now shoo.

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GUYS,HELP ME!!!!
I FELL ASLEEP AND NOW THERE;S ALIENS CHASING ME,WHAT DO I DO?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?


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very, very cool. One thing you might add to this is actually KNOWING when you're sleeping. In order to control your dreams you need to know you're in one. One easy way of doing this, is to try flipping a light switch anywhere on/off. If nothing happens - you're dreaming.

Lucid dreams allow you to contact the deepest most memories of human subconsious.
If you're into it, I suggest watching the awesome rotoscoped philosophy film 'Waking Life'.

I've yet to truely lucid dream due to being in school and having things to concentrate on, but when I'm given the chance I reaaalllly want to do this. I can't wait! Great tips!

If anyone can spare it, I would really appreciate $0.60 on paypal PM me perhaps?

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