experience arguements invalidated?

[aninjaman]

Sarah Palin has little experience but when that is brought up Republicans say she was not chhosen for her experience and her lack of experience would be countered by McCain's experience. Under this logic the VP and presidential candidate can even each other out so the Biden's experience should be able to counter Obama's lack of experience.
So can people still insult Obama's lack of experience as an attack against Obama.

[Rideo]

Of course they can, people can ignore all logic when speaking of politics as long as it'll make their side look better.

[JoS]

Remember though, the President and VP are not equals. The President fulfills a much more important role. A VP helps fill a gap, but doesn't eliminate it. Biden doesn't make a ticket as strong as McCain.

You cna have the best agent in Hollywood, but if you can't act for shit you are going to get crappy bit parts.

[TehChahlesh]

Sarah Palin does have foreign policy experience.

As governor of AlLaska, she's in constant contact with the FBI and CIA, and, stupid comments made by her aside, does deal with Russia.

[Dromedary]

It would be a wise move, to have somebody who was a lot less experienced than you, to make you look good, like your the main man in the Show. The point is, she does have experience, as she is Govener of Alaska, and Deals with a lot of Problems with Russia.

[Prinzy2]

At 9/27/08 06:14 PM, TehChahlesh wrote: Sarah Palin does have foreign policy experience.

As governor of AlLaska, she's in constant contact with the FBI and CIA, and, stupid comments made by her aside, does deal with Russia.

I'd hardly call observing Russia, foreign policy experience, and constant contact with the FBI and CIA are US affairs.

[ImaSmartass2]

I find it funny that Republicans say,"Palin has plenty of experience, executive experience is way better than experience in the Senate"

The V.P is an adviser to the president, if you have an adviser that is a "bimbo" you are pretty much on your own. Biden is a superior pick because he has experience with such things, although as the thread title implies, does not make a superior canidate.

I don't really think that experience makes or breaks a canidate, critical thinking and understanding of the problem should be applied to the situation.

[aninjaman]

At 9/27/08 06:17 PM, doody1 wrote: It would be a wise move, to have somebody who was a lot less experienced than you, to make you look good, like your the main man in the Show. The point is, she does have experience, as she is Govener of Alaska, and Deals with a lot of Problems with Russia.

She was governor of a state that has a smaller population then Rhode Island. That hardly counts. Also the "dealing with Russia" was fishing disagreements. Hardly close to negotiating with Putin if he invades another country.

[Earfetish]

From my understanding, 'experience' is just another way for Republicans and Democrats to insult each other's presidential teams and no-one is ever going to change their minds if it can be proven that someone is more experienced than they thought.

[gumOnShoe]

At 9/27/08 11:10 PM, Earfetish wrote: From my understanding, 'experience' is just another way for Republicans and Democrats to insult each other's presidential teams and no-one is ever going to change their minds if it can be proven that someone is more experienced than they thought.

Besides, experience doesn't even imply good decision making. I mean, Bush has more experience at this point running a government, that doesn't make him a good candidate for president.

[TheWolfe]

At 9/27/08 04:08 PM, JoS wrote: Remember though, the President and VP are not equals. The President fulfills a much more important role. A VP helps fill a gap, but doesn't eliminate it. Biden doesn't make a ticket as strong as McCain.

You cna have the best agent in Hollywood, but if you can't act for shit you are going to get crappy bit parts.

Well i once read in the paper that a republican said that you needed an experienced VP to help out the president, and then flip flopped when Palin was chosen. Personally, i dont think 2years in the senate compared to 20 is that big of a deal. Whose to say it better? I rather have someone who has been there long enough to understand it, but not long enough to be SUPER traditional or SUPER corrupted. I want something new, not some old shit that hasnt work (points to Bush, Bush, and Reagan)

[IllustriousPotentate]

I would contend that Sarah Palin is actually more experienced than either Obama and Biden, and also more expierienced than her running mate.
None of the other three on the two tickets have any executive experience. None have been mayor, county commissioner, or governor.

A long legislative career does not make one necessarily suited to be president. Someone with loads of experience creating, drafting, and passing legislation may lack the key skills to be president.

Suppose you have a CEO of a business who is retiring. Do you replace him with your head accountant, or hire a CEO from another, slightly smaller company? It's usually the latter. It's also why only 1 sitting senator (Kennedy) has been elected president in the past half century.

With that said, I think the question of "experience" is overrated. The president is surrounded by so many advisers with expertise on any given subject. Because of this, what should be vastly more important to voters is the candidate's ideology, as the president-elect will seek out experts of like ideology, much like the outgoing administration wrapped itself in a layer of neo-conservatives.

As to the concept that a vice president is supposed to be a adviser and consultant to the president, it's only in the W. Bush and Clinton administrations do you find such empowered vice presidents. Did Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle, Walter Mondale, and H.W. Bush have the kind of elevated status that Gore and Cheney have had?

[morefngdbs]

Traditionally, hasn't the Vice President been in the background, ready to step up to the oval office when you assasinate the current President?
Uhhhmm I mean " If the serving President dies" ...the V.P. is there to take the Top seat.

[JoS]

There are two ways the Executive branch can be organized.

A.
Strong President, weaker less influential cabinet.

B.
Weaker President, the Cabinet runs everything.

The current US executive is B. Which do you think Obama or McCain would make. I think McCain would be A, and Obama could be either, but I am leaning towards B.

[aninjaman]

At 9/28/08 11:08 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Traditionally, hasn't the Vice President been in the background, ready to step up to the oval office when you assasinate the current President?
Uhhhmm I mean " If the serving President dies" ...the V.P. is there to take the Top seat.

There have been times in history when the VP did absolutely nothing because the president didnt feel like listening to him but if Obama uses Biden as a trusted advisor then I think their experience will even out. Also I think if McCain becomes president Palin will be on of those VPs that does nothing. She is just a figurehead to attract evangilical vooters.

[BrianEtrius]

At 9/28/08 12:30 PM, aninjaman wrote: She is just a figurehead to attract evangilical vooters.

Congratulation! You just discovered why most VPs are picked.

It's not for their policies or whatnot, it's for the votes. Whatever that can get the candidate more votes to get into office. Palin was picked to try and attract women voters. So if McCain wanted a women VP with experience, say Marsha Blackburn, why didn't he pick her? Or even better, reach across and pick Joe Lieberman. So McCain's pick is a gamble which so far seems a like a backfire.

[JoS]

Seems like a backfire? I don't know what you have been watching but this has been a monumental boost to his campaign. He actually found a VP Candidate that has generated more buzz then Obama does. All people have been talking about for the last few weeks is Palin and McCain, Obama has slipped into obscurity.

McCain could not have picked better.

[aninjaman]

At 9/28/08 04:08 PM, JoS wrote: Seems like a backfire? I don't know what you have been watching but this has been a monumental boost to his campaign. He actually found a VP Candidate that has generated more buzz then Obama does. All people have been talking about for the last few weeks is Palin and McCain, Obama has slipped into obscurity.

McCain could not have picked better.

I thought that at first but her poll numbers have been dropping after she lied about the incosquential things like selling her private jet. Also people realized all the earmarks she had and how she supported the bridge to nowhere.

[JackPhantasm]

At 9/27/08 04:08 PM, JoS wrote: Biden doesn't make a ticket as strong as McCain.

That's because McCain ran for president before and has his own celebrity status.

[aviewaskewed]

At 9/27/08 11:10 PM, Earfetish wrote: From my understanding, 'experience' is just another way for Republicans and Democrats to insult each other's presidential teams and no-one is ever going to change their minds if it can be proven that someone is more experienced than they thought.

EXACTLY!!! Experience is the buzzword for this election, like "flip-flopping" was for 04. The people running the Republican end of the campaigns lately know they have nothing to run on that the general public will buy into. McCain can't seem to decide what he does or doesn't know, what he is or isn't for. So instead of running on the issues, they're running on fear and mudslinging. If I was a Republican, I'd be trying to find a 3rd party candidate that matched my views because it's just insane to me how this party has traded any sort of integrity for a win at all costs.

[aviewaskewed]

At 9/28/08 04:08 PM, JoS wrote: Seems like a backfire? I don't know what you have been watching but this has been a monumental boost to his campaign. He actually found a VP Candidate that has generated more buzz then Obama does. All people have been talking about for the last few weeks is Palin and McCain, Obama has slipped into obscurity.

What are you watching dude? Obama still leads in the last polls I've checked, and everyone and anyone has chipped away so badly at Palin and the lies that she is surrounded by that now the McCain campaign is in full "asking questions is unfair to our campaign" and that if the media isn't saying how awesome and great he and Palin are they must be supporting Obama. It's gotten to the level of childishness because McCain gambled pretty huge and by not checking up on this woman he's paying the price badly.

McCain could not have picked better.

Come on dude, your smarter then to say something so ridiculous :)