The sequel to "Outpost:Haven"3.98 / 5.00 17,060 Views
Hunt The Candy!!!3.84 / 5.00 9,276 Views
A thrilling rush through cyberspace!3.77 / 5.00 24,769 Views
To add onto my proposal above:
Voting power, etc. would be determined by your vote in the new 5-scale + review system instead of the current 5-scale without review system.
Most people who submit songs to the Newgrounds Audio portal, on a regular basis, are much aware of the flaws and problems it has. In short, many users feel the rating they receive on there songs is very unfair. This rating is important to them because they have the chance to receive special privileged such as the entrance into the top 5 weekly songs or the top rated song list. This essentially defines the popularity of the artist.
It has come to my attention that many aspiring artists have actually quit submitting royalty free songs to the portal, some to the extent of removing all of there content. As you can see, it is easy to prove that the audio portal has problems, but rather then emote you too these problems, I have come up with a solution! If you have made up your mind that there is no solution, or if you are happy with the way the audio portal works now, I would advise you to stop reading!
To find a solution to the problem, we first need to understand the source of the problem, which as previously discussed, lies with in the "rating system" and the "Top 5" system. My proposal is to base the choosing of the top 5 against something which is true and does not change. So how do we do this?
How the Top 5 Is chosen
Popularity / Time
Time = Amount of hours since the song was submitted.
Popularity = A sum of the views, downloads and reviews of the song.
* This value will only last until the end of the week.
This is only a test system and may need to be changed
0.1 point per view
0.2 points per download
(0-10)/10 Points for review, x2 if the review is helpful, /2 if the review is not
So lets put this into practice
At the time when the top 5 gets chosen...
Lets say song A gets
time since submitted - 10 hours
Song B gets
time since submitted - 30 hours
Song A would have precedence over song B for the Top 5 because it has a higher value of popularity / time.
This value would be removed when the top 5 songs are chosen for that week.
The other top songs, which are not related to any timed, or daily activity, would be chosen simply by having the highest popularity. This of course would create a problem where these popular songs would be cemented in, with no chance of the song list changing. This is a small price to pay for fixing the bigger problem of the top 5, but I have also though of several solutions to this minor problem.
The most popular songs, which are say 5 years old or more, could possibly put in a "Hall of fame", which would change around the top songs.
The most popular songs could also be weighed against time, so songs that are older could be reduced down the tract.
The top songs could be reduced a top 10, and the weekly top 5 could be changed to the weekly top 10, this would reduce the effects the problem has.
This system would essentially fix many problems which users face. People would not face angry users, 0 bombing there songs In fact, there is actually no way to make a song have a bad score because it can only be increased. If someone writes an insulting review, it could be flagged and removed.
The final change would be to either remove the rating system or leave it there for a simple indication to people viewing the song, how good the song was rated by other users, whether it be valid or not.I suppose the rating would become more valid because there would be no reason to lower it without legitimate reason.
The rest of the system would remain the same, your download only counts once per day, same with views, and you can only review once.
Would make many people happy, and improve the quality of songs on the top 5 list.
Would also be easy to implement because everything can be calculated from current data.
Would cement the top songs.
Would take some time and work to change the portal.
Would be hard to get people to adopt the change, even if they want a change.
If you're looking to get more stat addicted whores ;), I might suggest adding some sort of actual page to display medals in the future, complete with a full listing of games with medals not yet played by the logged in user and vacant spaces to emphasize how much work they have to do still. Also, you could really drive it home by having a hall of fame, where user's are listed who have the most medals and all of their medals are displayed as a glorious eye burning collage.
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I personally, suggest adding medals for the Audio Portal. The medals could be as simplistic as reaching a number of helpful reviews, a number of useless ones... achieving a certain score on a submission (4.20, lol) and other useless things such as "Name your song with the word 'pickle' in it" or some other kind of way to attract attention to this power thirsty group of immature sucks. Another type of medal would be a certain achievement in listens or downloads, more specifically "Get 1337 listens in a song" or other ways of saying that the portal is still healthy as a community. It's just a start, perhaps it could be added in.
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........I'm really tired atm so I probably didn't explain my ideas well, but here they are........
A User achievement bar on userpages and in maybe other places where user info appears around NG. The bar would have several icons and no text, the icons would resemble (flash, audio, art, maybe more specific things). If a user has submitted enough movies, games, audio, art and has a high enough batting average then the the achievement is lit up on the bar. If the user's batting average drops then they'll lose the achievement. Having these achievements could unlock things and give users extra features while other achievements don't, example: a user can only create an alpha or use medals in games if they have a certain achievement/s. There could also be achievements for people who vote regularly, vote overtime, have been favourited many times, contribute to the BBS, have participated in many collabs, or other things.
This would encourage more users to try and create something good and to get involed in Newgrounds.
Alphas on profiles, but much simpler than ones that were in the NG Mag. You could add small progress bars or pies charts to it and lebel them differently (scene 1, scene 2 or graphics, audio).
You may could also make the option of an Alpha Post aswell as News Post which would be the same as a news post just that you could add progress bars and you could select details (eg. Movie/game/song/loop, genre/catergory).
~User status where the user can update what and if they are working on anything, (audio loop/ flash movie/ on hiatus/ gone away/ left NG). Or if not just displaying when a user 'last logged in' on their profile or showing if a user has not logged in for a long time so we know if they're active or not, have left NG or not.
Let's say you find this really good UJ/Recent submission.
You put it in your favorites, vote 5, tell a couple other people about it.
Now that can't really help that submission.
So I was thinking, how about a button next to the "Recommend for a collection" that says "Recommend for Front Page"?
Now this could be abused by alts so not really a good idea, but like the collection button, the admin still has to approve it.
Also, I think this would only be applicable to submissions that are only a day or two old.
Pic related; A visual.
A slogan selector option, where you can choose the slogan which you see between "Everything by Everyone" and "the problems of the future: Today!"
that way, the people who prefer the old slogan can have it, while the site default is the current one.
That'd be awesome. (I'm in nostalgia mode today)
I submitted this to the Zerovoting and Exposure thread, and it seems to be a good idea... Here's another post on how to remove zerobombing, except this time, it works.
As Box-Killa said, the main problem falls heavily on the fact that 0-bombers crave attention: they want Top 5's, Top 30's, etc. And so, they vote low on people's songs so that theirs comes out on top. The solution is simple: they CAN'T vote until the top 5/30 and the featured artist are announced. Now, the problem of this is that it would then be impossible for the top 5/30 to be determined, so you add a recommendation system. An example will make it easier to explain:
So, say, Song X gets submitted to the AP. Obviously, this will have no score so far, since voting is disabled. Instead, people can 'recommend it' for the top 5. Song X has the most recommendations by the end of the week, so it's top of the week. From then on, the voting system continues normally on it. Now obviously, the AP needs more exposure for its songs to be recommended, so a simple solution is to fix the links at the bottom of the page. Like, when you press the link at the bottom of the top 30 newest songs, it'll take you to all the songs submitted since the last top 5/30 and featured artist was announced, sorted from most recent at the top to least being at the bottom. When the week passes, this list is refreshed and new songs from that week are posted there. This list can also be sorted by recommendations.
-Those links at the bottom of the page will finally be fixed, making the AP much easier to view songs with.
-I suppose it's easy to implement.
-0-bombers can't harm all the songs submitted before the next top 5/30 and featured artist have been announced.
-Top 5 will become much more accurate.
-Say goodbye to self-voters.
-AP gets more exposure.
-Artists finally get the chance to see how it feels like fairly being put into the top 5.
-Yay, the AP is fixed!
-Didn't think of any yet...
What do you think?
Could there be a way for us to know when we have typed enough to satisfy the "original text : quoted text" ratio?
Something like the system you use to say whether or not the password is safe when a user signs up would probably work.
I always thought it'd be cool to have your "age/gender" and "location" somewhere under your icon on your name. It would give users a better feel for who they're replying to and such. Although I bet it's been suggested before, but it isn't on your rejected list so... Yeah, just putting that out there.
i was thinking if the author's flash submissions page was categorized in the way he/she want would look much better than if the flash movies are categorized in the year of release by default.. what do you think?..
in case if you didn't understand what did i mean, the picture below is the sample of the flash submission categorized by the year, i was thinking if there will be an option where the author can make his/her own categories where he/she can place the flash submission..
nene's bla bla
instead of this (sample of my submissions categorized by year)
Maybe there should be an award in the store.
Like you can get a choice of getting all of the EXP you missed long ago or other awards, if you buy $100 in total of items.
I think mine is a good idea, since it would get more people to buy the products in the store more often than usual, add much more profit.
How about an option to save your replys ? You know, in case your writing a long post and your computer freezes up. This would be great for the people doing the top 100 reviewers list, and such. Of course I don't know if that's even possible but it sounds like a cool idea.
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Don't know if this will actually work or not but how about putting a button in each of the ng user's home page....a "ban" button if you will...how this button is utilized is that the user clicks his/her button and it tells the user how many times he/she has been banned and the reasons that got them banned in the first place. That way the user won't have to pm a mod asking why he/she got banned...and they can learn from their mistakes to avoid being banned in the future. I think this would be a learning experience and only ng users would be able to see thier own ban button...no one elses. I think this is a pretty good idea. Thoughts?
Make it to where you can whistle at flashes even after they get past judgement. Also Make it to where you can blow your whistle if its a spam flash. And make if your in a good mood lets us get double xp points for saving and blaming flashes on the judgement zone. I'm mean like instead of getting 10 points we get 20. Maybe some new emoticons...
Sorry for double posting but I forgot something. Make new auras. And take it back to were your voting style chooses the color. Add like, brown for people who try to blam flash with like a really high average, or ones that got on front page. And fag for peoples who rate and review porn alot. And try to put it to were you can choose to hide your level. And don't forget new emoticons...
The ability to look at old art reviews, much like the current ones for Flash and Audio. I've submitted several reviews for un-scouted art, and would like to see if they think my feedback is helpful or not, which is a son of a bitch to find if you can't check your old reviews.
I propose that it's made so you can search for music in the AP via mood.
Like if somone is looking for a sad song, they can search songs by "sad." You could also combine it with the genres. Like have two lists, one for genre and one for mood. Both could have an "Any" option, or something similar. It was also suggested in the thread about it that I posted in the audio forum that users be able to tag music like you can in the Art Portal(I'm not sure how it works since I don't go to the Art Portal, but letting users tag music sounds like a good idea.) Another suggestion was to allow searching by length of the song as well.
This would be pretty nifty for a flash artist looking for a song with a specific mood, or someone looking for a specific mood.
Some moods you could use(not really the best list):
Also, if authors feel their music shouldn't be classified by mood, they could have the option to choose an "Undecided" mood, or something.
Sorry if it's already been suggested, I ctrl+f'd "mood" for all the pages and found nothing.
i think it would be cool if in the next redesign, the new posts would pop up in the thread. Like, if there was this busy thread that everybody was intrested in, instead of leaving the thread to go see if it got any new replys...or refreshing, it would be cool if a new post popped up without you having to refresh or anything. It would save a lot of time, and a lot more threads would get attention to. It would save time by making quicker posts, and taking out the loading time it takes to load back to the general board or refresh. Some people have fast connections, and load quick, but you never know how many people have slow connections and don't get to get to certain threads because of their lag time. I guess this would be like how Gmail puts up new e-mails without you having to refresh the screen..all you gotta do is sit there and wait for it to pop up. Also, for people wanting to look at multiple threads at the same time..they could just sit there and watch the replies pop up.
I think this is called running the forum in real-time. Could this be possible?
A badge based review system where reviewers may pick badges which reflect areas of the flash they found to be pertinent. Like a gnome badge, for a flash video/or game being too short. Etc.
Gamefaqs uses a like system in conjunction with full on reviews.
I find that a system like this, with some kind of "Most users found this submission to be" and then an area for the badges most often selected by users for the submission, could be a short form blunt expression, which could add a new level of depth to reviews.
I was going to pm you (liljim) with this, but with dumping grounds etc. I'm sure you're super busy right now, so I'll post it here and hope you see it :)
In the flash search it displays: Title, icon, votes, views and score. In the audio search it only displays Title, icon and score. Is it possible to add listens (which appears to be the equivalent to views) into the listings (and maybe downloads)? Not sure how you track them, so it's possible there's a reason it doesn't exist, but on the off chance it's because you've just not got round to it, can you implement it? (whenever you're free).
I think that this hasn't been suggested in the past, and if it has then I probably overlooked it and I'm sorry.
I thought that it would be a good idea to have a section in the store where people can comment about the products they bought. The best place for this would be below the pictures of every item. So, for example, there would be an "insert comment" button (or just a text field) below the calendar pictures on this page. Maybe even add a rating system (like reviews).
The basic reasoning this is that if I were to buy a product, I would want to know what other people (who already bought it) think about it. I think that most people (especially those undecided people who don't know what to buy) would appreciate it.
The main problem would be that it may be abused, but that's why I said that it's for people who already bought the items (so not every stupid person can make stupid comments).
And finally: lame HTML edit + Photoshop = Example!
I also added the "share" button (it would also be good for NG if users could Digg items in the store and stuff). And please look at it, because I spent a ridiculously long amount of time making it, despite how easy it is to make, lol
The Flash Portal Search Bar
I know it gives you the choice to search for a "Title" or the "Author" but what about adding the option to filter your results to Movies only (or Games)
Plus Ratings ascending/descending?
Hey, I have an idea :)
Notice how there is an empty space in the bottom left of the art portal, below the ad? (See pic for reference). I think that it would be great to include a "tab" which shows the top five art submissions from the previous day.
Why? Well, I think that it would be promoting some of the best art on the website, which is good for both NG and the artists, who would get more recognition, which means that more people will probably go to his/her profile and check all the other submissions. So basically, people can easily see the best stuff from the last day, the best artists get more exposure (and visits to their profile and art, which also means more revenue for them). Everybody wins!
And by the way, I do know that there's already a way to look for "yesterday" submissions sorted by "score", even if they are ordered according to their current score and not the one they had yesterday.
As I said, here's a pic showing the ad and the empty space (marked as "here"). And if you think this is a good idea, I think you should considering putting the "awards" tab above the advertisement.
Hi James. :)
This is not really suggestion but more of a tweak. I use Google search to search around the BBS and I noticed that they are also caching the quotation of a user (pic below). I was wondering if you could tweak the robot.txt so that it won't do that.
A section under the GAMES tab.
Games that rely on physics as a primary component of play.
Games like Blosics, Dynamite Blast, and Crush The Castle are easily recognizable as physics based games.
Audio Portal Improvment Idea
I'm sure that someone else has already said this at some point, but the idea came to me on its own so what the heck here it goes...
My idea was in order to make voting more more fair and unbiased, the score of what ever is being voted on, not be displayed to the voter until voted on.
Let me explain, when someone comes along and sees a submission and says "Hmm, this looks interesting, I'll click on it..." Then when they get to the submission, in order to see the score of the submission they must then vote on it themselves. Thus they cannot just look at the score and say "the score is to high, lets move it down so this other one over here is above it."
Ways it could be setup:
1.) Display after only the first time the submission is voted on, continue display from there.
2.) Display after every time the submission is voted on, then close up after time change (when the site recycle every night). <-- Best Method
3.) Display after voted on daily, close off after the member leaves the page.
People can only give scores based on their perceptions of the entry, and not someone else's.
Zero bombing less present, because they must then listen to the submission in order to be able judge it in anyway, even if they don't want to it fairly.
This idea could be expanded to the and other portals on the site (Flash Portal, Art Portal, Ect.)
A hassle for the servers. The cache of everyone going in and out of the site would be that much bigger.
Ratings would have to be removed from display in the genre sections.
Ratings would have to be removed from display from unregister users or not logged in users.
Ratings would have to be removed from display in other places like accounts and such.
Now you can discus if this is a good idea or not and tell me all the ways that it wouldn't work. ^_^
It would look maybe something like this...