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At 9/29/09 01:11 PM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 9/28/09 08:25 PM, Aleks55 wrote: lol, Well I'll put it short, I just felt like posting pictures of the Viking related characters in World of warcraft.

Oh, okay...how about some more? :D

Sure here is an undead one!

At 9/29/09 02:28 PM, ZOMGALIENS wrote: I'm 1/4 Norwegian.
That makes me a slight descendant of a Viking :)

Welcome to the NGVA!Here we will answer any questions you might have about Norse mythology, culture, art etc.

Hi everybody, sorry for not posting forquite some time, but I haven't even visited NG that much in the last couple of weeks. To make up for that I'd like to tip you off about a couple of really good films by director Hrafn Gunnlaugsson, all about Icelandic culture around the year 1000 AD. They are a bit old so perhaps some of the younger ones in the NGVA may never have heard about them.

1) Hrafninn flýgur (1984)
AKA Revenge of the Barbarians or When the Raven Flies
A story about honour and revenge.

2) Í skugga hrafnsins (1988)
AKA Shadow of the Raven
This film is about family honour and the clash between Christianity and the Old Norse beliefs.

3) Hvíti víkingurinn (1991)
AKA The White Viking
Another great film about honour and blood, and again the clash between the new and the old.

All three films are beautifully filmed with a lot of shots of warriors riding along beaches, dirty looks and proud people.

At 10/3/09 05:34 AM, vdviking wrote: Hi everybody, sorry for not posting forquite some time, but I haven't even visited NG that much in the last couple of weeks. To make up for that I'd like to tip you off about a couple of really good films by director Hrafn Gunnlaugsson, all about Icelandic culture around the year 1000 AD. They are a bit old so perhaps some of the younger ones in the NGVA may never have heard about them.

QUite some time doesn't quite say it...more like months >:
I was on the verge of PMing our leader and ask him to delcare the army officcialy out of business...

1) Hrafninn flýgur (1984)

2) Í skugga hrafnsins (1988)
3) Hvíti víkingurinn (1991)
All three films are beautifully filmed with a lot of shots of warriors riding along beaches, dirty looks and proud people.

..they have subtitles right?

At 10/4/09 04:01 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 10/3/09 05:34 AM, vdviking wrote: Hi everybody, sorry for not posting forquite some time, but I haven't even visited NG that much in the last couple of weeks. To make up for that I'd like to tip you off about a couple of really good films by director Hrafn Gunnlaugsson, all about Icelandic culture around the year 1000 AD. They are a bit old so perhaps some of the younger ones in the NGVA may never have heard about them.

QUite some time doesn't quite say it...more like months >:
I was on the verge of PMing our leader and ask him to delcare the army officcialy out of business...

I can understand that, both new and old members have become very inactive, and with no new discussions or questions it is difficult. As you know I always try to answer questions to the best of my ability, but since no questions are asked...

I leave the final decision to you, but I'll answer questions as long as they are asked.

1) Hrafninn flýgur (1984)

2) Í skugga hrafnsins (1988)
3) Hvíti víkingurinn (1991)
All three films are beautifully filmed with a lot of shots of warriors riding along beaches, dirty looks and proud people.

..they have subtitles right?

I would guess so, but that is easy to check on the back of the DVD case or in the descriptive text if you're ordering online.

At 10/3/09 05:34 AM, vdviking wrote: 1) Hrafninn flýgur (1984)
AKA Revenge of the Barbarians or When the Raven Flies
A story about honour and revenge.

2) Í skugga hrafnsins (1988)
AKA Shadow of the Raven
This film is about family honour and the clash between Christianity and the Old Norse beliefs.

3) Hvíti víkingurinn (1991)
AKA The White Viking
Another great film about honour and blood, and again the clash between the new and the old.

Awesome, thanks for posting. I've been looking for stuff like this!

If anybody knows of any decent viking documentaries, that'd be pretty cool too.

At 10/4/09 04:43 AM, vdviking wrote: I always try to answer questions to the best of my ability, but since no questions are asked...

Yeah, Im having the same problem, I could just, out of the blue anounce some facts or something, but they wil have no pertanance to anything going on so, its hard to come up with in the first place, and harder to pull a conversation from it.

But so everyone knows, i have been stopping by and lurking, Ive just had....nothing to contribute. we need either new members, or, more of the old member paying attention, it seems to me now theres only 3 members here posting, what do we have, 20 members now, atleast 15, right? we should be able to get SOMETHING from that many people, right?

Okay then, since you want questions, l'll ask one:
Were there any civil wars between VIkings?And if yes, why did it happen?

At 10/6/09 04:53 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Okay then, since you want questions, l'll ask one:
Were there any civil wars between VIkings?And if yes, why did it happen?

Several, but there are a few which are more important than the others, if you see in how it affected the growth of what was to become Sweden. I'll concentrate on Sweden for know.

In the year circa 985 there was a great battle at Fyrisvall close to the king's hall in Uppsala. The battle stood between the armies of Erik Segersell (king of Svealand or the area around Uppsala) which had taxation rights over huge parts of what is now Sweden, and his nephew Styrbjörn Starke's army of joms vikings, skanians and danes. Erik won and Styrbjörn was killed.

This was a rather simple war because Styrbjörn just wanted part of the throne, handed down to him by his father Olof, the brother of Erik. As brothers they had shared the throne.

Between the years 1084-87 the heathen king Blot-Sven ruled over Svealand, he had banished the Christian king Inge the older, and Inge's work to reclaim the throne, which he did in 1087 by killing Blot-Sven in a small battle, can be described as a civil war.

The problem is that for a civil war to happen you must have something that resembles a nation a lot more than what the Vikings had before the very end of the 8th century. Before that it was just warriors, chiefs or kings fighting for the power over a relatively small area. In a way you can say that the Vikings weren't civilised enough to have civil wars.

At 10/6/09 12:06 PM, vdviking wrote:
The problem is that for a civil war to happen you must have something that resembles a nation a lot more than what the Vikings had before the very end of the 8th century. Before that it was just warriors, chiefs or kings fighting for the power over a relatively small area. In a way you can say that the Vikings weren't civilised enough to have civil wars.

So what you're tryng to say is that Vikings didn't believe in national unity, much like ancient Greeks....there were towns that were also like nations, with their own coins, laws etc.?
If that is the case, yeah, l don't see how could there be a civil war :P

At 10/6/09 02:49 PM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 10/6/09 12:06 PM, vdviking wrote:

So what you're tryng to say is that Vikings didn't believe in national unity, much like ancient Greeks....there were towns that were also like nations, with their own coins, laws etc.?
If that is the case, yeah, l don't see how could there be a civil war :P

Well I think they would all use the same type of currency.....or would they?....hhmmm now I'm curious.

At 10/6/09 09:13 PM, Aleks55 wrote: Well I think they would all use the same type of currency.....or would they?....hhmmm now I'm curious.

Back then, if a city wasn't part of a bigger state it always had a currency of its own, and that made trading quite hard and complicated...there were no such things as a global currency...

At 10/6/09 02:49 PM, HeavyTank wrote: So what you're tryng to say is that Vikings didn't believe in national unity, much like ancient Greeks....there were towns that were also like nations, with their own coins, laws etc.?
If that is the case, yeah, l don't see how could there be a civil war :P

Exactly, Vikings didn't feel any national unity since there were no nations. Their major loyalty was towards their family and heritage, and to a lesser extent towards a king or other leader, but they had to pay for it!

At 10/7/09 02:37 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 10/6/09 09:13 PM, Aleks55 wrote: Well I think they would all use the same type of currency.....or would they?....hhmmm now I'm curious.

Back then, if a city wasn't part of a bigger state it always had a currency of its own, and that made trading quite hard and complicated...there were no such things as a global currency...

Vikings didn't use coins as such until very late, for them a golden coin from Bagdhad was only worth it's weight in gold. No made up values like today. The first Swedish coins were minted around the year 1000 AD by king Olof Skotkonung.

At 10/7/09 03:45 AM, vdviking wrote: Exactly, Vikings didn't feel any national unity since there were no nations. Their major loyalty was towards their family and heritage, and to a lesser extent towards a king or other leader, but they had to pay for it!

Well, if by "they had to pay for it" you mean taxes, well, don't we have taxes to this day?Although admittedly they are much less...

Vikings didn't use coins as such until very late, for them a golden coin from Bagdhad was only worth it's weight in gold. No made up values like today. The first Swedish coins were minted around the year 1000 AD by king Olof Skotkonung.

Well yes, it is only logical that coins are worth the weight of the metal they're made of...this had some shortcomings though..for example, when the Spaniards were sending tons of gold from the Americas their gold coin lost their value, and this resulted in an economic crysis..
Anyway, today forging coins from different precious metals is unpratical because there are so many coins that there wouldn't be any precious metals left...

At 10/7/09 05:31 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 10/7/09 03:45 AM, vdviking wrote: Exactly, Vikings didn't feel any national unity since there were no nations. Their major loyalty was towards their family and heritage, and to a lesser extent towards a king or other leader, but they had to pay for it!

Well, if by "they had to pay for it" you mean taxes, well, don't we have taxes to this day?Although admittedly they are much less...

No, I meant that a king or other leader that weren't the kin of a warrior had to pay for his loyalty.

At 10/7/09 03:45 AM, vdviking wrote: Exactly, Vikings didn't feel any national unity since there were no nations. Their major loyalty was towards their family and heritage, and to a lesser extent towards a king or other leader, but they had to pay for it!

it was also hard for there to be a sense of country, because, families were spread out allover the scandinavian countries, even Russian, due to lesser outlawry, or, etc. So, they may have lived in, say, what is now norway, but they had cousins in Denmark, A Brother server a king in Sweden, etc.

I do think however, there was a strong sense of Identity Linguistically, all the viking peoples could understand eachother on a pretty mutual level, so I think that was the viking unifying factor, Language

At 10/8/09 07:42 AM, Leidolfr wrote: I do think however, there was a strong sense of Identity Linguistically, all the viking peoples could understand eachother on a pretty mutual level, so I think that was the viking unifying factor, Language

So the regional dialects weren't radically different from each other?How come?
Because usually, you know, when a country is not united the dialects become more and more distinguished from the mother language...

At 10/8/09 03:08 PM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 10/8/09 07:42 AM, Leidolfr wrote: I do think however, there was a strong sense of Identity Linguistically, all the viking peoples could understand eachother on a pretty mutual level, so I think that was the viking unifying factor, Language

So the regional dialects weren't radically different from each other?How come?
Because usually, you know, when a country is not united the dialects become more and more distinguished from the mother language...

well its so long ago its hard to really say, but it seems to me as though they were one people at one point, be it in southern sweden [ First inhabited place of scandinavia ] or be it the actual group that traveled from the Caucasus Mountains.

So they spoke one language if they were one people, and as they spread out the change was less minor, especially because they traded with eachother, so there had to be a dialect they all spoke. In actuality, the differences even today between the sandinavian countries are minimal, in comparison with say, random example, French and Romanian.

Europe is close, small countries with very different languages, where as scandinavia is big countries, with the languages being close, which would also lead one to believe that not alot of outsiders just packed up and decided to live in scandinavia.

At 10/9/09 02:00 AM, Leidolfr wrote: So they spoke one language if they were one people, and as they spread out the change was less minor, especially because they traded with eachother, so there had to be a dialect they all spoke.

I see...so trade saved the language :D

At 10/9/09 04:22 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 10/9/09 02:00 AM, Leidolfr wrote: So they spoke one language if they were one people, and as they spread out the change was less minor, especially because they traded with eachother, so there had to be a dialect they all spoke.

I see...so trade saved the language :D

yeah its odd because, sea fearing trade has always been dominated by germanic languages. First it was old norse, and people as far as Kiev, or the Middle east spoke old norse, as a means of trade.

later in history the trade laguages amongst europeans became low german, and dutch, as they were the ones willing to ship out anywhere.

so,on a totally different subject now, I was watching a show on the dark ages, started as rome fell, and got into the gauls, and the vikings. and the way they worded some things got me to thinking, vikings, might have been some of the most important people in the christian, western world, and they were the most against christianity.

now, how i come to this realization, after rome fell and there was no one to really govern europe, the vikings descended onto europe and essentially, raped and robbed the people, enslaving them as well.

due to this scandinavian influx, and there being no real european kingdom, random warriors of old kingoms, as well as newly trained warriors, to combat the vikings.

well at some point, the vikings started to settle down, and raided less, when this happened, europe had an abundance of warriors no longer needed, thus, began the crusades.

now for those history buffs out there, you may remember the muslims struck first blood attacking the kingdom of gaul, from north africa, into southern spain, years before, and were defeated. around this same time, muslims through turkey were also attacking what was then the collapsed Constantinople.

in my opinion, without the crusades, not only would christianity not have spread as easily, or even lasted, but the muslims would have had a better foothold on which to start.

I guess this isnt that important of a point, but now ive typed it all, so, yeah

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here I came acrossed this, its a good source for Runes, The Voluspa, etc

http://www.asatru.org/

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