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At 2/22/09 08:36 AM, sirtom93 wrote:
Incorrect viking helm >:C

well, it didn't say "viking battle helm" right?
It could be a ceremonial helm, you said it yourself that ceremonial viking helms had horns...

Oh, and here is a "runic stone"...l don't know what that is exactly, but l bet vdviking could explain it to us...

At 2/22/09 10:41 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Oh, and here is a "runic stone"...l don't know what that is exactly, but l bet vdviking could explain it to us...

Wait. Is that Jörmungandr?

At 2/22/09 10:45 AM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote: Wait. Is that Jörmungandr?

how should l know, the site said it was a just a runic stone...

1.Jomsburg hero guy(mentioned in last post)
2.Place to sacrifice
3.Berseker

At 2/22/09 02:18 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: 1.Jomsburg hero guy(mentioned in last post)
2.Place to sacrifice
3.Berseker

why is the picture so white?

At 2/22/09 02:18 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: 3.Berseker

I've never seen a berserker with that much clothes on.

At 2/23/09 12:01 AM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote:

At 2/22/09 02:18 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: 3.Berseker

I've never seen a berserker with that much clothes on.

You want him without clothes? XD

And the picture is not white its just kinda old looking, and maybe when I saved it the quality dropped a bit.

At 2/23/09 08:17 AM, SoundWave23 wrote:
And the picture is not white its just kinda old looking, and maybe when I saved it the quality dropped a bit.

old looking?
You know, VIRTUAL pictures don't fade :D

I saw "The rise and fall of the Roman empire" last night, twas a good film.

At 2/23/09 11:15 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I saw "The rise and fall of the Roman empire" last night, twas a good film.

did you watch the BBC (or history channel, or nat geo) series for the roman empire?You know, they were a movie-style documentaries....
Now THEY were awesome...

At 2/23/09 11:34 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 2/23/09 11:15 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I saw "The rise and fall of the Roman empire" last night, twas a good film.

did you watch the BBC (or history channel, or nat geo) series for the roman empire?You know, they were a movie-style documentaries....
Now THEY were awesome...

I saw something on the history channel, the one I saw was about the Dacian empire.

At 2/23/09 08:17 AM, SoundWave23 wrote:

At 2/23/09 12:01 AM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote:

At 2/22/09 02:18 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: 3.Berseker

I've never seen a berserker with that much clothes on.

You want him without clothes? XD

No, just a lot of the berserkers went into battle in the buff.

Or so I hear.

At 2/23/09 08:32 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 2/23/09 08:17 AM, SoundWave23 wrote:
And the picture is not white its just kinda old looking, and maybe when I saved it the quality dropped a bit.

old looking?
You know, VIRTUAL pictures don't fade :D

I know, what I meant is that the VIRTUAL picture is trying to get an old VIRTUAL effect.

At 2/23/09 06:09 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: I know, what I meant is that the VIRTUAL picture is trying to get an old VIRTUAL effect.

well, it failed.
it is WAY too faded....why would you want to add an old effect to a new pic?

At 2/22/09 03:41 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Shiny viking weapons here :D

Well I cried! *Sob* *sniffle*

OK not really, but the axe has absolutely nothing to do with Vikings, it's a fantasy/fake battle axe. I'm quite indifferent to the shield, but it doesn't look very Viking like to me. This leaves helmet and sword, who both are of Bronze age design, i.e. a couple of centuries before the Vikings.

At 2/22/09 10:41 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 2/22/09 08:36 AM, sirtom93 wrote:
Incorrect viking helm >:C

well, it didn't say "viking battle helm" right?
It could be a ceremonial helm, you said it yourself that ceremonial viking helms had horns...

Oh, and here is a "runic stone"...l don't know what that is exactly, but l bet vdviking could explain it to us...

Thanks for the confidence! But yes I did manage to figure out which rune stone it is. It can be found in the town of Gripsholm, not to far away from Stockholm, and is known as "Sö179". It is a really beautiful stone, not chipped or damaged in any way. The red colour of the runes is only a way to make them more visible, used by researchers, historically they may have been very colourful indicated by small residues of colour all over the stones.

This stone reads - · tula · lit · raisa · stain · þinsat · sun · sin · haralt · bruþur · inkuars · þaiR furu · trikila · fiari · at · kuli · auk · a · ustarlar · ni · kafu · tuu · sunar · la · a sirk · lan · ti

Which translates into - Tula/Tola let raise this stone over her son Harald, brother of Ingvar. Manly they went after gold, and in the east gave to the eagles. They died southwards in Särkland.

This is stone that i closely connected to a very famous Viking by the name of Ingvar the Fartravelled (Ingvar den Vittfarne), who in the year 1036 A.D., set out on a long trip through Gårdarike (Russia), down to the Black Sea and to Särkland (The Arabic lands on the eastern side of the Black Sea). Stories are scarce and it is said that of the perhaps 200 men (some say 2000!, at a maximum of 30 per boat that is a lot of boats) that set out, only rumours returned. From a Slavic chronicle a little bit more has been learned, including how the Vikings were hired a mercenaries in a civil war, and a few hints of an affair between the chief Ingvar and a local princess. It all ends badly when Ingvar and most of the Vikings contracts some kind of disease in the river delta, and many dies, including Ingvar. This probably in the year 1041 A.D. After the leader dies the rest of the chiefs quarrel and it is decided that every boat will fend for themselves. Some head homeward with the loot, some head towards Miklagård (Konstantinopel), to try to become Väringar/Varyager (bodygards) for the Emperor.

At 2/22/09 10:45 AM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote:

At 2/22/09 10:41 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Oh, and here is a "runic stone"...l don't know what that is exactly, but l bet vdviking could explain it to us...

Wait. Is that Jörmungandr?

Most probably, but since the stone isn't about mythology it could just be any old "hlindi" (snake or dragon it was the same for the Vikings). Rune monsters are very common as an artistic motif.

At 2/22/09 02:18 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: 1.Jomsburg hero guy(mentioned in last post)
2.Place to sacrifice
3.Berseker

1. He doesn't look at all like a Jomsviking (which is the correct Swedish term). First of all a Jomsviking wouldn't differ any from any Viking of the Era. And... sigh... well... the horns!

2. Not a place of sacrifice, a burial place or perhaps a calendar. I'm pretty sure those are Ales Stenar (Ale's Rocks, don't laugh), in the south of Sweden, a "Skeppssättning", were the stones are placed in the form of a ship. Two pointed ends, broader at the middle. The function is still disputed in Sweden, but the official historical opinion is that it is a burial site for a great chief.

3. Once again there are some differing opinions (aren't there always?), about the origin of the word Bärsärk/berserker/baresark. 1 - The name comes from the fact that when the warrior entered Bärsärkarvrede (berserker rage), he threw away armour and shield and grabbed his weapon with both hands, taking no heed to defence. Thus fighting bare shirted (come on, none of that naked stuff, that's for the Greeks ;), "bärsärk" would then be without shirt. 2 - The name comes from a very special group of warriors who fought in bear skins as a symbol of their special status as fearsome warriors. Both versions are supported etymologically.

At 2/23/09 11:34 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 2/23/09 11:15 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I saw "The rise and fall of the Roman empire" last night, twas a good film.

did you watch the BBC (or history channel, or nat geo) series for the roman empire?You know, they were a movie-style documentaries....
Now THEY were awesome...

The BBC always make good documentaries, I just wish we could do as well in Sweden with a documentary about Vikings.

At 2/24/09 08:43 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 2/23/09 06:09 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: I know, what I meant is that the VIRTUAL picture is trying to get an old VIRTUAL effect.

well, it failed.
it is WAY too faded....why would you want to add an old effect to a new pic?

u guys really positive and stuff ;D ITS NOT MINE(I didnt made it) its from a game. I just wanted to share something D:

At 2/24/09 11:08 AM, vdviking wrote: Well I cried! *Sob* *sniffle*

OK not really, but the axe has absolutely nothing to do with Vikings, it's a fantasy/fake battle axe. I'm quite indifferent to the shield, but it doesn't look very Viking like to me. This leaves helmet and sword, who both are of Bronze age design, i.e. a couple of centuries before the Vikings.

.....yes, but could you just, for once, ignore how much historically accurate they are and just appreciate their shinyness?

At 2/22/09 10:41 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

Thanks for the confidence! But yes I did manage to figure out which rune stone it is. It can be found in the town of Gripsholm, not to far away from Stockholm, and is known as "Sö179". It is a really beautiful stone, not chipped or damaged in any way. The red colour of the runes is only a way to make them more visible, used by researchers, historically they may have been very colourful indicated by small residues of colour all over the stones.

"Sö179"? that's a strange name for a stone?
And you say that they recoloured it to see the carvings eh? Well, it sure looks beautiful!

Which translates into - Tula/Tola let raise this stone over her son Harald, brother of Ingvar. Manly they went after gold, and in the east gave to the eagles. They died southwards in Särkland.

Let them rest in peace :)

This is stone that i closely connected to a very famous Viking by the name of Ingvar the Fartravelled (Ingvar den Vittfarne), who in the year 1036 A.D., set out on a long trip through Gårdarike (Russia), down to the Black Sea and to Särkland (The Arabic lands on the eastern side of the Black Sea). Stories are scarce and it is said that of the perhaps 200 men (some say 2000!, at a maximum of 30 per boat that is a lot of boats) that set out, only rumours returned. From a Slavic chronicle a little bit more has been learned, including how the Vikings were hired a mercenaries in a civil war, and a few hints of an affair between the chief Ingvar and a local princess. It all ends badly when Ingvar and most of the Vikings contracts some kind of disease in the river delta, and many dies, including Ingvar. This probably in the year 1041 A.D. After the leader dies the rest of the chiefs quarrel and it is decided that every boat will fend for themselves. Some head homeward with the loot, some head towards Miklagård (Konstantinopel), to try to become Väringar/Varyager (bodygards) for the Emperor.

Wow, that guy actually trallevel to Russia, and then to the arabic lands?
Man, he must be quite traveller....
Oh, and have you noticed that in ancient times all the great leaders/travellers die by some disease or another?(or killed by someone, of course)
Take Alexander the Great as an example...he travelled far and wide, conquered the entire known world just to die by a common disease...

At 2/22/09 10:45 AM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote: Wait. Is that Jörmungandr?

Most probably, but since the stone isn't about mythology it could just be any old "hlindi" (snake or dragon it was the same for the Vikings).

So they actually shouted :WATCH IT, A DRAGON! when they saw snakes in the grass?

At 2/22/09 02:18 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: 1.Jomsburg hero guy(mentioned in last post)
2.Place to sacrifice
3.Berseker

1. He doesn't look at all like a Jomsviking (which is the correct Swedish term). First of all a Jomsviking wouldn't differ any from any Viking of the Era. And... sigh... well... the horns!

Horns horns horns...someone is getting horny here!

3. Once again there are some differing opinions (aren't there always?), about the origin of the word Bärsärk/berserker/baresark. 1 - The name comes from the fact that when the warrior entered Bärsärkarvrede (berserker rage), he threw away armour and shield and grabbed his weapon with both hands, taking no heed to defence. Thus fighting bare shirted (come on, none of that naked stuff, that's for the Greeks ;), "bärsärk" would then be without shirt. 2 - The name comes from a very special group of warriors who fought in bear skins as a symbol of their special status as fearsome warriors. Both versions are supported etymologically.

Haha, so, for once, RPG's are historically accurate when they say that the "berserker rage" that orcs and barbarians usually have gives them a temporary strenght boost....

At 2/23/09 11:34 AM, HeavyTank wrote:
did you watch the BBC (or history channel, or nat geo) series for the roman empire?You know, they were a movie-style documentaries....
Now THEY were awesome...

The BBC always makes good documentaries, I just wish we could do as well in Sweden with a documentary about Vikings.

What do you mean?
You don't have a good viking documentary IN SWEDEN?

At 2/24/09 12:10 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: u guys really positive and stuff ;D ITS NOT MINE(I didnt made it) its from a game. I just wanted to share something D:

Calm down man l know it's not yours...wait, did you say it's from a game?
Oh, yeah, Viking Invasion right?

Oh, and l found a VERY historically accurate version of a breserker (please don't kill me) :P

At 2/24/09 09:16 PM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 2/24/09 11:08 AM, vdviking wrote: Well I cried! *Sob* *sniffle*

.....yes, but could you just, for once, ignore how much historically accurate they are and just appreciate their shinyness?

Will do! As long as you don't call them Viking helmet, sword, axe or shield. :)

At 2/22/09 10:41 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

"Sö179"? that's a strange name for a stone?

Sö179 is the short form for Södermanland 179, meaning stone or inscription number 179 in the county Södermanland. All rune stones and inscriptions have been indexed according to this system by our archaeological authority.

Wow, that guy actually trallevel to Russia, and then to the arabic lands?
Man, he must be quite traveller....
Oh, and have you noticed that in ancient times all the great leaders/travellers die by some disease or another?(or killed by someone, of course)
Take Alexander the Great as an example...he travelled far and wide, conquered the entire known world just to die by a common disease...

Not a very heroic way to end, but before the discovery of penicillin disease was probably the most common way to die.

At 2/22/09 10:45 AM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote: Wait. Is that Jörmungandr?

Most probably, but since the stone isn't about mythology it could just be any old "hlindi" (snake or dragon it was the same for the Vikings).

So they actually shouted :WATCH IT, A DRAGON! when they saw snakes in the grass?

Probably they would call out "BIG SNAKE", when seeing a dragon. The dragons of the Viking myth were huge snakes, viz. Jörmungand or the Midgardsnake or the "dragon" Ragnar Lodbrok slew, not huge lizards as they became in medieval times.

1. He doesn't look at all like a Jomsviking (which is the correct Swedish term). First of all a Jomsviking wouldn't differ any from any Viking of the Era. And... sigh... well... the horns!

Horns horns horns...someone is getting horny here!

Hell yes!

Haha, so, for once, RPG's are historically accurate when they say that the "berserker rage" that orcs and barbarians usually have gives them a temporary strenght boost....

Well even a blind chicken finds corn once in a while.

At 2/23/09 11:34 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

What do you mean?
You don't have a good viking documentary IN SWEDEN?

Sadly true, we do have a lot of very good museums, but I'm missing a good quality documentary with the latest research, in the style of BBC documentaries.

At 2/25/09 02:25 AM, vdviking wrote:
Will do! As long as you don't call them Viking helmet, sword, axe or shield. :)

OK

Sö179 is the short form for Södermanland 179, meaning stone or inscription number 179 in the county Södermanland. All rune stones and inscriptions have been indexed according to this system by our archaeological authority.

archaeological authority? seriiously?
which is country no.1?

Not a very heroic way to end, but before the discovery of penicillin disease was probably the most common way to die.

Yeah...what a great invention.

Probably they would call out "BIG SNAKE", when seeing a dragon. The dragons of the Viking myth were huge snakes, viz. Jörmungand or the Midgardsnake or the "dragon" Ragnar Lodbrok slew, not huge lizards as they became in medieval times.

Hm, right...well, l guess each country has its way of representing dragons...

Horns horns horns...someone is getting horny here!

Hell yes!

:)

Well even a blind chicken finds corn once in a while.

not a great example, but l get the point.

Sadly true, we do have a lot of very good museums, but I'm missing a good quality documentary with the latest research, in the style of BBC documentaries.

that's strange...

At 2/25/09 03:38 AM, HeavyTank wrote: archaeological authority? seriiously?

Or to be more precise the Rune department of the Swedish National Heritage Board, they have the job of finding and preserving rune stones and inscriptions in Sweden.
Their homepage - http://www.raa.se/cms/extern/en/about_us /our_mission/our_mission.html

which is country no.1?

County, not country, and it's not the counties that are numbered but rather the inscriptions. So I was a bit off before I believe, Sö179 would be stone or inscription number 179 in Sweden, and it can be found in the county of Södermanland.

yeah, well viking invasion is the expansion pack, I have it because i bought Gold Edition(oh!) but if u compare medieval1 to medieval2 the units in the second are MUCH better.
Here I come with more wrong info. :P 1:Carl(lol the Carls)they are from Scandinavia(?), more than slaves less than guards2:Landsman(man from the land?)also from Scandinavia but they are a bit higher in the social thing than Carls

At 2/25/09 08:59 AM, SoundWave23 wrote: yeah, well viking invasion is the expansion pack, I have it because i bought Gold Edition(oh!) but if u compare medieval1 to medieval2 the units in the second are MUCH better.
Here I come with more wrong info. :P 1:Carl(lol the Carls)they are from Scandinavia(?), more than slaves less than guards2:Landsman(man from the land?)also from Scandinavia but they are a bit higher in the social thing than Carls

The problem with games are that they are never any good as historically correct sources, mainly because they have to make up things for playability.

So just a few words to correct any misconceptions.

Any rich and powerful chief would have a small troop acting as bodyguard. This was known as an Hird (pron. heerd). The members of the hird was known as Huskarlar (Housecarls in English), and these would include warriors and farmhands alike. Hired warriors would of course be better equipped, and would also act as the chief's bodyguard in peace time. Poorer chiefs, and on small farms, everyone would be expected to help out in case of an raid including the thralls.

The best of the warriors was called Stambo, and carried the chief's mark into battle. The mark was carried just in front of the chief and served as an gathering point for his hird.

One special group of huskarlar was the Gestur (guests), warriors who served the chief for food and board only, but hoping to claim fame and fortune in coming battles.

Young boys could take service in the hird, hoping to earn a place later on, and they were used either as bordsven or kertisven, serving at the chief's table or lighting it by holding a torch, respectively.

Back to the game - Carl or Karl would mean free man, basically any man who wasn't a thrall, but it is probably huskarl they mean.

Landsman would mean, as you guessed, man from the (same) land. But where did they get it from. Perhaps from "Landnamaman", the name given to the Norse settlers of Iceland. They were all nobles who fled from Norway after a civil war, when their king lost.

At 2/25/09 05:12 AM, vdviking wrote:

County, not country, and it's not the counties that are numbered but rather the inscriptions. So I was a bit off before I believe, Sö179 would be stone or inscription number 179 in Sweden, and it can be found in the county of Södermanland.

aah, OK, l get it now..

Too much information! xD my head gonna explode, where they come up with those names anyway :P

At 2/25/09 12:00 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: Too much information! xD my head gonna explode, where they come up with those names anyway :P

Well, they had lots of imagination..unlike people of today that re-use the same old names...

Allot of the names were influences by Germanic tribes, Greek mythology etc...

I have a queery, Anglo-Saxon is the coming together of the Angles and the Saxon German tribes, so how did "Angle" turn into "Anglo"?

At 2/26/09 11:31 AM, sirtom93 wrote:
I have a queery, Anglo-Saxon is the coming together of the Angles and the Saxon German tribes, so how did "Angle" turn into "Anglo"?

it sounded better.

At 2/26/09 11:31 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I have a queery,

lol queery.

Anglo-Saxon is the coming together of the Angles and the Saxon German tribes, so how did "Angle" turn into "Anglo"?

Because, "Anglo-Saxon" flowed better than "Angle-Saxon".

At 2/26/09 05:19 PM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote:

At 2/26/09 11:31 AM, sirtom93 wrote: I have a queery,

lol queery.

I have bought shame to my name :(