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At 2/13/09 11:27 AM, sirtom93 wrote: Yes Vdviking, your knowledge is very impressive - to me this club is like a custom made history lesson :3 Although I do like history at school, we just only focused on the vikings when learning about medicine - and how the vikings shitted it up.

I seriously must hear about how the Vikings or people from that era, should have been against natural medicine. Please give me a source, as for me this is very important!

Being GCSE history, we didn't go to in depth with it. Just the raids on Saxon England, they destroyed many remaining products of the romans, and public health went down allot - they had cesspit's etc... I'm not to sure about England but in Ireland there are many remains and evidence of long term viking inheritance. Pretty much, after the vikings with the Normans - medicine and public health started to rise, as they looked for more practical answers to things like disease.

At 2/13/09 04:11 PM, sirtom93 wrote: Being GCSE history, we didn't go to in depth with it. Just the raids on Saxon England, they destroyed many remaining products of the romans, and public health went down allot -Pretty much, after the vikings with the Normans - medicine and public health started to rise, as they looked for more practical answers to things like disease.

So you are actually telling me that Vikings liked to die from common diseases?
I mean, how come they didn't like medicine?
Ah, but here I see you typed "practical answers", so you mean Vikings just prayed to some god they were healed and that's it?

At 2/13/09 04:11 PM, sirtom93 wrote: Being GCSE history, we didn't go to in depth with it. Just the raids on Saxon England, they destroyed many remaining products of the romans, and public health went down allot - they had cesspit's etc... I'm not to sure about England but in Ireland there are many remains and evidence of long term viking inheritance. Pretty much, after the vikings with the Normans - medicine and public health started to rise, as they looked for more practical answers to things like disease.

That bathhouses and other stuff were destroyed during raids shouldn't be seen as the Vikings were against hygiene. Collateral damage perhaps? And cesspits would be common in any town of that time, so not exactly a Viking invention, just something that comes from a lot of people gathering at one small area. And with crowded cities comes diseases, which was a problem up until they started to build sewers.

That public health rose with the arrival of the Normans may perhaps be attributed to their arrival rather than the disappearance of the Vikings. One must also remember that many Scandinavians remained after the arrival of the Normans, having married local women and settled down with a family.

Archaeological finds in Scandinavia and around Europe reveals that the Scandinavians of that era were quite aware of hygiene. Both fine toothed combs and earspoons (small narrow spoons of bone or wood used to clean the ears with) are common finds, not only in graves but also in what was everyday garbage. The sauna was already in use during the Viking Era, and that's a superb way of getting clean. As for Viking medicine I'm pretty sure it was very much like the rest of Europe's, herbs and roots and stuff like that.

Perhaps the decline of medicine and public health during the Viking rule can be put down to that it was an occupation and a state of war for most of the time, and during war things don't get built but rather destroyed.

While you are correct, it should be noted that although they didn't really go down to much in terms of public health - they did not make the same progressions as the Romans and Saxons made. And in war, medical information is usually transfered quite well - what with battlefield hospitals sharing knowledge, sometimes with the enemy.

At 2/14/09 03:04 AM, vdviking wrote: That bathhouses and other stuff were destroyed during raids shouldn't be seen as the Vikings were against hygiene. :

Well, you mean they just destroyed everything, including bathtubs right?

Archaeological finds in Scandinavia and around Europe reveals that the Scandinavians of that era were quite aware of hygiene.

Yeah but nobody can beat ancient Greeks when it comes to hygeine :P

Perhaps the decline of medicine and public health during the Viking rule can be put down to that it was an occupation and a state of war for most of the time, and during war things don't get built but rather destroyed.

Agreed.

Yeah but nobody can beat ancient Greeks when it comes to hygeine :P

The Romans did a pretty good job.

At 2/15/09 07:22 AM, sirtom93 wrote:

Yeah but nobody can beat ancient Greeks when it comes to hygeine :P

The Romans did a pretty good job.

And the Celts used soap before the Romans did.

At 2/15/09 07:20 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 2/14/09 03:04 AM, vdviking wrote: That bathhouses and other stuff were destroyed during raids shouldn't be seen as the Vikings were against hygiene. :

Well, you mean they just destroyed everything, including bathtubs right?

Correct!

Archaeological finds in Scandinavia and around Europe reveals that the Scandinavians of that era were quite aware of hygiene.

Yeah but nobody can beat ancient Greeks when it comes to hygeine :P

I'm sure you're right I never really gotten into Greek hygiene, ancient or contemporary. :)

At 2/15/09 08:20 AM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: And the Celts used soap before the Romans did.

The Greeks had a sewer system....

At 2/16/09 08:20 AM, HeavyTank wrote:
The Greeks had a sewer system....

by the way, did you know that Greeks considered women useful only for cooking and making children (you probably know that), and men should only love other men, the only sex that was worth loving?

At 2/16/09 08:23 AM, HeavyTank wrote: by the way, did you know that Greeks considered women useful only for cooking and making children (you probably know that), and men should only love other men, the only sex that was worth loving?

Well. I knew they were "loose", but I never knew it went that far.

Although, every single piece of Greek art is pretty much someone nude, so...

My dad has a copy of the anglo saxon chronicle, very interesting - I recommend you all read.

At 2/16/09 12:45 PM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote: Well. I knew they were "loose", but I never knew it went that far.

Did you knew that the "menly" 300 spartans were actually 150 couples of (hold tight) lovers?
What weapon is better than love?

Although, every single piece of Greek art is pretty much someone nude, so...

No, not someone...only men.
Have you ever seen a naked woman?

At 2/17/09 10:23 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Did you knew that the "menly" 300 spartans were actually 150 couples of (hold tight) lovers?
What weapon is better than love?

Only manly men are man enough to say they love other manly men who are man enough to say they love manly men.

No, not someone...only men.
Have you ever seen a naked woman?

Yes, the Venus de Milo.

Oh shit she's Roman! Hold on, I'll think of something.

I'd like some viking metal recommendations.

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Fill those in.

The only real viking metal band I like is Amon Amarth and Manowar(even if they are more power metal than viking metal.)

Preferably more cleaner vocals but it doesn't matter.

GO.

At 2/17/09 07:53 PM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote:

Only manly men are man enough to say they love other manly men who are man enough to say they love manly men.

You are a true man

Yes, the Venus de Milo.

Oh shit she's Roman! Hold on, I'll think of something.

That, and the fact that she is a goddess!

At 2/17/09 09:36 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote: I'd like some viking metal recommendations.

1.)

Amon Amarth

2.)

Tyr

3.)

equilibrium

4.)

Ensiferum

5.)

Slechtvalk (more folk/ black metal)

6.)

Battlelore

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Vintersorg

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Folkearth

9.)

Einherjer

10.)

Svartsot

At 2/17/09 09:36 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote: The only real viking metal band I like is Amon Amarth and Manowar(even if they are more power metal than viking metal.)

Manowar cover their bodies with baby oil...this tells a lot about their personality....

At 2/19/09 10:10 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 2/17/09 09:36 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote: The only real viking metal band I like is Amon Amarth and Manowar(even if they are more power metal than viking metal.)

Manowar cover their bodies with baby oil...this tells a lot about their personality....

Hmm yeah, I don't like Manowar at all :/

At 2/19/09 10:13 AM, sirtom93 wrote:
Hmm yeah, I don't like Manowar at all :/

they are really "too much" for me, l mean, come on, just look at how they dress....

like, seriously..

At 2/20/09 08:28 AM, HeavyTank wrote: like, seriously..

Not very viking metal at all :/

Can I join? I may have some war information about them(secret)

At 2/20/09 04:19 PM, SoundWave23 wrote: Can I join? I may have some war information about them(secret)

Yes you can. What could possibly be a secret?

That there was a town which its docks could hold more than 300 big ships and every man born had the right to be named Hero, at least that what the description says :D I will put a photo from some of them later

At 2/20/09 08:28 AM, HeavyTank wrote: like, seriously..

It's like... the Viking version of the Village People.

At 2/20/09 05:27 PM, DeathNoteetoNhtaeD wrote: It's like... the Viking version of the Village People.

HAHA, right, l didn't think of it that way, but yes, you're right :D

Shiny viking weapons here :D

At 2/22/09 03:41 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Shiny viking weapons here :D

Incorrect viking helm >:C