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Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 07:17 PM Reply

NOTE: This is an organized way to gain money from making music. You will pay NOTHING for the distribution. Before reading this, please scroll down to make sure there is not a revised list of similar format.

What is this Electronic Extended Play you speak of?

It is the idea of a compilation album created to generate both revenue and exposure for the selected artists on said album. If you are at all familiar with the business industry, you'll know it's especially difficult to make a name for yourself when you work alone. This concept will hopefully provide a catalyst for many of the artists on Newgrounds.

Okay, so how exactly does this work?

The big picture is that by combining an assortment of tracks produced by the artists here on Newgrounds, you are actually increasing the likelihood of having your track(s) noticed, compared to going solo. In other words, the more the artists vary, the bigger the fanbase, which in turn provides more listeners for all of the tracks.

So this will be a compilation/various artists album, what would be my responsibilites in this project?

Each artist would submit one (1) selected track for the album, something that relates to electronic music, i.e. Techno, Trance, Dance, Ambient, Industrial, New wave, Drum 'n' Bass, Breakbeat, Miscellaneous etc. Once the tracks are compiled, you have no further obligations. Each artists' pay is discussed below.

Okay, so how much am I paying?

Are you ready? YOU WILL PAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! That's right. All you will do is submit your track to the compilation and then earn your share profit (discussed below.)

So how is this being setup? How do I make money?

A company I and several other artists are familiar with, Tunecore, will provide the means to distribute the album to digital retailers. From here, their official terms of service will come into play.

I have worked with them for over a year now, so you have my word that the business is honest and fair.

Because I am paying for all launching expenses, I will be signed to the account. When profit is made, the sum TRACKS profit is divided into its respected quantities depending on how many copies YOUR track sold. The remaining profit, the ALBUM profit, will be equally divided amongst each contributer to the album.

The integrity policy is the number one rule here. Everyone is entitled to their own earnings, I am simply the facilitator of said earnings.

What kind of electronic music can I submit?
You can submit anything you like as long as it does not violate copyright laws and is (let's be honest) enjoyable to listen to. For obvious reasons, you cannot submit tracks already existing in the Newgrounds Audio Portal.

So how do signup for this compilation album?

First off, please describe your opinions of this idea in this thread. Then, if you'd like to signup, PM me (nal1200) via Newgrounds with the following information:

Your real name:
The genre you plan to submit:
If you accept Paypal*:
Any other questions or concerns:

* - If you do not have Paypal, understand that when profit is made, I will have to personally mail you your earnings.

Again, if you have questions or concerns, feel free to ask.

Deadline TBA.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 08:24 PM Reply

I'm curious, but I really want to see what everyone else has to say before I contribute anything :P


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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 08:27 PM Reply

This is a really good idea. Unfortunately for me I lost all my music.... and have to start over. So I don't know if i'll have anything ready for this CD.

When are you planning to have the music done? IE - Is there a deadline to getting you something?


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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 08:29 PM Reply

I'll give you a PM I'm working on a track that I was kinda hoping to make something off of. Might take me sometime to complete it but I have nothing to lose.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 08:29 PM Reply

it sounds promising however one thing that strikes me as a problem is payment. What if that artist doesn't have paypal? Would you withdraw the money and send it to them via mail?

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 08:31 PM Reply

At 9/18/08 08:29 PM, MaestroRage wrote: it sounds promising however one thing that strikes me as a problem is payment. What if that artist doesn't have paypal? Would you withdraw the money and send it to them via mail?

He wrote:* - If you do not have Paypal, understand that when profit is made, I will have to personally mail you your earnings.

Even if I weren't to get payed I'd enjoy the exposure.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 08:32 PM Reply

At 9/18/08 08:31 PM, Mrmilkcarton wrote:
At 9/18/08 08:29 PM, MaestroRage wrote: it sounds promising however one thing that strikes me as a problem is payment. What if that artist doesn't have paypal? Would you withdraw the money and send it to them via mail?
He wrote:* - If you do not have Paypal, understand that when profit is made, I will have to personally mail you your earnings.

Even if I weren't to get payed I'd enjoy the exposure.

ah, quite right.

Another thing you could do Nal, is if you have paypal, and the person trusts you enough, ask them for a debit card number. Debit card numbers are pretty useless to you unless you have the actual card, and you can't do online transactions with them. Would be easier and much faster to all members involved.

I guess it all boils down to trust, i'd think that way would be fastest.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 09:24 PM Reply

I don't do techno, but it's an amazing opportunity for any aspiring artists in the genre. Good luck.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 10:03 PM Reply

Hmmm...tempting.....now that I think about it "Out Of Fantasy" isnt doing that well on the AP and its a pretty dam good song, idk...maybe I should remove it from NG and get it into this thing...

...I'll think about it, but thanks for the useful info nal1200.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 18th, 2008 @ 10:16 PM Reply

At 9/18/08 10:03 PM, JohnnyFrizz wrote: Hmmm...tempting.....now that I think about it "Out Of Fantasy" isnt doing that well on the AP and its a pretty dam good song, idk...maybe I should remove it from NG and get it into this thing...

I'm thinking the same thing for my Paroxysm track. It's my best work and it's getting absolutely nothing. I'd remove it in a second if it was to get on a cd.


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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 01:28 AM Reply

At 9/18/08 08:32 PM, MaestroRage wrote:
At 9/18/08 08:31 PM, Mrmilkcarton wrote:
At 9/18/08 08:29 PM, MaestroRage wrote: it sounds promising however one thing that strikes me as a problem is payment. What if that artist doesn't have paypal? Would you withdraw the money and send it to them via mail?
He wrote:* - If you do not have Paypal, understand that when profit is made, I will have to personally mail you your earnings.

Even if I weren't to get payed I'd enjoy the exposure.
ah, quite right.

Another thing you could do Nal, is if you have paypal, and the person trusts you enough, ask them for a debit card number. Debit card numbers are pretty useless to you unless you have the actual card, and you can't do online transactions with them. Would be easier and much faster to all members involved.

I guess it all boils down to trust, i'd think that way would be fastest.

Right. That's essentially what would be happening (the direct paypal transfer.) There's always the option of direct mail via USPS, but that can take time, especially if you live far away from Norman, Oklahoma.

I guess the only thing to say about the honesty policy is that I am well aware of the legal consequences of foul play and whatnot, and my intentions in this situation are only good.

I just hope people won't be turned off to this because it involves getting more personal with one another. lol.

Also, we have about 5 people onboard (including myself) thus far. I'm thinking 10-15 would be a good limit number.

If you plan to submit a song, please also include your email address so I can keep everyone up to date on when the submittion deadlines will be etc.

What is this Electronic Extended Play you speak of?

It is the idea of a compilation album created to generate both revenue and exposure for the selected artists on said album. If you are at all familiar with the business industry, you'll know it's especially difficult to make a name for yourself when you work alone. This concept will hopefully provide a catalyst for many of the artists on Newgrounds.

Okay, so how exactly does this work?

The big picture is that by combining an assortment of tracks produced by the artists here on Newgrounds, you are actually increasing the likelihood of having your track(s) noticed, compared to going solo. In other words, the more the artists vary, the bigger the fanbase, which in turn provides more listeners for all of the tracks.

So this will be a compilation/various artists album, what would be my responsibilites in this project?

Each artist would submit one (1) selected track for the album, something that relates to electronic music, i.e. Techno, Trance, Dance, Ambient, Industrial, New wave, Drum 'n' Bass, Breakbeat, Miscellaneous etc. Once the tracks are compiled, you have no further obligations. Each artists' pay is discussed below.

Okay, so how much am I paying?

Are you ready? YOU WILL PAY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! That's right. All you will do is submit your track to the compilation and then earn your share profit (discussed below.)

So how is this being setup? How do I make money?

A company I and several other artists are familiar with, Tunecore, will provide the means to distribute the album to digital retailers. From here, their official terms of service will come into play.

I have worked with them for over a year now, so you have my word that the business is honest and fair.

Because I am paying for all launching expenses, I will be signed to the account. When profit is made, the sum TRACKS profit is divided into its respected quantities depending on how many copies YOUR track sold. The remaining profit, the ALBUM profit, will be equally divided amongst each contributer to the album.

The integrity policy is the number one rule here. Everyone is entitled to their own earnings, I am simply the facilitator of said earnings.

What kind of electronic music can I submit?
You can submit anything you like as long as it does not violate copyright laws and is (let's be honest) enjoyable to listen to. For obvious reasons, you cannot submit tracks already existing in the Newgrounds Audio Portal.

So how do signup for this compilation album?

First off, please describe your opinions of this idea in this thread. Then, if you'd like to signup, PM me (nal1200) via Newgrounds with the following information:

Your real name:
Your e-mail address:
The genre you plan to submit:
If you accept Paypal*:
Any other questions or concerns:

* - If you do not have Paypal, understand that when profit is made, I will have to personally mail you your earnings.

Again, if you have questions or concerns, feel free to ask.

Deadline TBA.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 10:20 AM Reply

well, seems a good idea, I'll think of what track to send, I guess something new, possibly an alternate mix from what I have on my album ... if there is place for jazz/fusion

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 10:50 AM Reply

At 9/19/08 10:20 AM, sorohanro wrote: well, seems a good idea, I'll think of what track to send, I guess something new, possibly an alternate mix from what I have on my album ... if there is place for jazz/fusion

Sure thing! As long as it has some kind of electronic element

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 08:39 PM Reply

I am interested.

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http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/1 71120

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 08:51 PM Reply

By the way, what are you going to do about the music being here? I mean, why buy it if its available free? If its here, you can just grab it for free. Also, I believe there would be conflicting licenses with Tunecore's and NG's.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 09:37 PM Reply

At 9/19/08 08:51 PM, nns357 wrote: By the way, what are you going to do about the music being here? I mean, why buy it if its available free? If its here, you can just grab it for free. Also, I believe there would be conflicting licenses with Tunecore's and NG's.

Good PHUCK, doesn't anybody read the whole post before laying down their ignorant comments?

You sir, need to to read... as well as the poster before you..... seriously.... really.... phuck phuck phuck.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 09:50 PM Reply

yay :P

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 11:08 PM Reply

Ace idea; include me in. I have a promising song from this year's 50/90 that I want to work into an electronic form for its final version.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 11:27 PM Reply

pretty cool plan. i have a lot of songs being worked on right now that i just havent uploaded to the portal and havent been developed yet, but i definately will be greatly refining them. ill keep an eye on this thread, seems interesting :)

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 19th, 2008 @ 11:55 PM Reply

Right, you're providing a track that isn't already on NG.

As mentioned before, if you're interested, please PM me via NG with the information mentioned in the info post up above.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 20th, 2008 @ 09:10 AM Reply

if we did make a song for the album and its signed to you, how are we supposed to know how much we are actually making.
not meaning to be a personal attackor anything, but how do we know that you arent getting 99% of the profit?

Because I am paying for all launching expenses, I will be signed to the account. When profit is made, the sum TRACKS profit is divided into its respected quantities depending on how many copies YOUR track sold. The remaining profit, the ALBUM profit, will be equally divided amongst each contributer to the album.

the remaining profit will be divided into the artists?

....just sussin things out


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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 20th, 2008 @ 03:36 PM Reply

At 9/20/08 09:10 AM, danredda wrote: if we did make a song for the album and its signed to you, how are we supposed to know how much we are actually making.
not meaning to be a personal attackor anything, but how do we know that you arent getting 99% of the profit?

Because I am paying for all launching expenses, I will be signed to the account. When profit is made, the sum TRACKS profit is divided into its respected quantities depending on how many copies YOUR track sold. The remaining profit, the ALBUM profit, will be equally divided amongst each contributer to the album.

the remaining profit will be divided into the artists?

....just sussin things out

Lets say the account (the album) makes $100 the first month of its release - $50 from album sales (people downloading the entire album) and $50 from single track purchases.

That first $50 would be divided amongst the artists because it's an equal share of purchase. The remaining $50 is divided according to who sold how many songs.

So to make things ridiculously simple: if there were two artists total, submitting one track each, and the amount of tracks sold was 3, $1 per track, then whomever sold TWO purchases would get $2 and the other person (who sold ONE purchase) would get $1.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 20th, 2008 @ 05:37 PM Reply

For this, I want to submit my music under a different name than SolusLunes.

I want to find something completely different for any music I'm making money off of.

To that end, I needs suggestions.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 20th, 2008 @ 08:17 PM Reply

ah ok i get it.
but the artists cant be making 100% of the sales.
how much % is the record company getting
what percentage are you getting?
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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 20th, 2008 @ 08:24 PM Reply

AH!! nevermind
i went to the site
100% of the royalies.
Thans nice
but ide still like to know how much you are gettng?
it sais its only 99c to put music on each store.
10 stores doesnt that mean its only 10 bucks to put the album on all those things?
wont you only get $10 total for all the songs being put on the sites?


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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 20th, 2008 @ 08:29 PM Reply

At 9/20/08 05:37 PM, SolusLunes wrote: For this, I want to submit my music under a different name than SolusLunes.

I want to find something completely different for any music I'm making money off of.

To that end, I needs suggestions.

Well, for commercial purposes I plan on taking my ng name Quarl, making an anagram out of it and going by Ruqal. I'm not sure if it would work for your name though. Sulen Souls :/


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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 20th, 2008 @ 11:34 PM Reply

Well I've seen people posting here about getting their music Tunecore'd without them getting revenue and they don't have much to do. I'm not sure...


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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 21st, 2008 @ 12:35 AM Reply

At 9/20/08 08:24 PM, danredda wrote: AH!! nevermind
i went to the site
100% of the royalies.
Thans nice
but ide still like to know how much you are gettng?
it sais its only 99c to put music on each store.
10 stores doesnt that mean its only 10 bucks to put the album on all those things?
wont you only get $10 total for all the songs being put on the sites?

If you'd like to get technical:

Launching an album with 10-15 tracks (i.e. around 60-74 minutes: approx. $30

Selling price for songs in digital music stores: $0.79 - $0.99

Percentage of total revenue made per song after middleman fees (ITUNES): 77%

Percentage I receive of your total income through track sales: PRICELESS (0% - I am a submitting artist, so I receive just as much as you would given we both sell the same number of individual downloads)

Some of you guys are incapable of accepting the idea that just because i'm paying for launching fees, doesn't mean i'm somehow trying to indirectly eat your pie.

The only reason i'm paying for launching expenses is because:

1. I'm pretty confident in guessing you are less likely to try something new when you have to pay for it
2. I already have left over funds from my previous projects
3. I'm a nice person, right?

Also, it's not $0.99 to put an album in a store, but rather for every store you choose to ship the album to, you add $0.99 on to your already $15+ album charge depending on how many and how long of songs you submit.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 21st, 2008 @ 12:42 AM Reply

At 9/19/08 09:37 PM, Sanryd wrote: Good PHUCK, doesn't anybody read the whole post before laying down their ignorant comments?

You sir, need to to read... as well as the poster before you..... seriously.... really.... phuck phuck phuck.

I'm not interested in this, because I don't use programs to make music like FL. I was just pointing something out just in CASE it has not been covered. You need to grow up.

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Response to Electronic EP - Get involved! Sep. 21st, 2008 @ 12:43 AM Reply

At 9/20/08 11:34 PM, Smurfbeatz wrote: Well I've seen people posting here about getting their music Tunecore'd without them getting revenue and they don't have much to do. I'm not sure...

...you do know that there is a HUGE difference between what you're describing and what is being proposed in this thread, right?

The cases which you reference are illegal in that someone who does not have ownership of the material blatently posts it under their own name without the original author's consent.

The idea of a collaborative compilation supports multiple authors and is not susceptible to fraud since there is no main artist for the album.

Granted, I can see where you would be uneasy since "I am signed to the account." However, you have to realize that there is no easy way, perhaps no way at all, to cosign multiple authors with multiple accounts to the album. Thus, this method is much, much easier.