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I am a strong supporter of the marijuana legalization movement.

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I agree that some drugs should be legalized but just about everything else you said, including the age limit of 16, was all pretty absurd.

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I don't agree drugs should be legalized... not all of them, at least.
Some are just too profound to be used even for recreational use.

marijuana is okay, i guess...
peyote, perhaps...
steroids too, maybe-- if it can be gotten through the doctors...

Drugs should be taken on a case-by-case situation. Some will cause more harm than to the individual... which could be interpreted as being costly to the government. For example... meth labs.

It pollutes the land and drives down property values... and it's not a simple matter of house cleaning. We're talking about decontamination of land.

Meth also has a way to spike up AIDS among the poor, who in turn will get meds from the government...

So marijuana yes, as being a mild drug-- but Meth... heaven forbid.
The laws in Amsterdam is actually a really good example how they approved milder drug use, but still criminalize the really hard shit.

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At 9/15/08 02:27 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 9/14/08 10:06 PM, Korriken wrote:

3. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

This stuff is illegal because it destroys your brain. you DO realize that after a while LSD users tend to develop psychotic tendencies?

People should have the right to DO WHAT THEY WANT TO THEIR OWN BODIES.

...As long as they only affect their body. People who act like jerks and are aggressive because they're drunk or high on drugs should not be allowed to do so. People who smoke, forcing non-smokers to inhale their smoke in a restaurant should be forced to get out.

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I fully endorse the last point and will carry it out to its full extent.

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At 9/15/08 06:54 AM, RubberTrucky wrote: ...As long as they only affect their body. People who act like jerks and are aggressive because they're drunk or high on drugs should not be allowed to do so.

i was actually replying to the notion of destroying one's brain.

And most LSD consumers don't turn skitz.

People who smoke, forcing non-smokers to inhale their smoke in a restaurant should be forced to get out.

I agree.

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if this happed deaths each year would increase.people in car accidents.this would be a horribale idea.

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At 9/15/08 02:27 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 9/14/08 10:06 PM, Korriken wrote:

1. Prostitution

You do realize there is a REASON why prostitution is illegal right?

Argh god you're a moron.

Since when has banning something stopped people from doing it? God.

Argh god you're a moron. why don't we just legalize everything? obviously laws against anything can't work, people will do it anyway. how about we legalize murder? people kill each other anyway. My point, now sit down.

1. spread of STDS.

-If it was legal it could be regulated. Those who are found to have an STD or refuse to be tested (say, annually), would have their licenses taken off them. If they are caught practising without a licence, then they would be prosecuted.

annually? you are insane? a whore could catch an std the next day and spend the next year spreading it. You would have to have weekly, if not daily tests.

- Millions of Non-prostitutes have STDs. What now huh?
Should we ban sex altogether?

no dumbass. you can fire off a volley of baseless ranting at me all you want, but it won't work.

2. overly dangerous work. it wouldn't be too hard to strangle the whore and toss her in a river after having your way with her.

Um, that happens EVEN THOUGH ITS IllEGAL.

well duh shit sherlock, how long did that take you to figure out?

And besides, it would be a hell of a lot safer if its legal. Duh.

no, not really. You would have to set up whore houses which would be monitored by armed security. simply standing on the corner won't be any safer, legal or not. use your head.... your upper head. you pick up a whore in your car. you point a gun at her. you drive her to a secluded area. have your way with her. shoot or strangle, or just break her neck and toss her aside.

3. no way to tax that income.

And there is now?

learn to read. i AM talking about now. instead of getting all butthurt that someone would even MENTION not legalizing something, try reading and seeing my point.

Fucking hell. Are you that fucking stupid you think that just because something is illegal that it doesn't happen??

Fucking hell. are you that fucking stupid that you can't read the context of my text and see that I'm saying "its illegal for this reason" instead of "its illegal it don't happen".

Prostitution is going to happen, legal or not, but if it is legal its going to be much safer and will be easier to regulate.

You think that, but then you gotta go through the process of being screened, tested, and paying for a license to whore. how many whores do you think are gonna do that? especially the ones that whore themselves out to get their fix?

2. Marijuana

You simply fail. This would encourage people to peddle it to children and we have enough worthless potheads already.

Fucking hell. Again, you think banning it makes it not happen?

lol you really are the stupid one. I'm saying that making it legal with no age restrictions would cause the companies that sell it LEGALLY to want to market it to children.
and if you don't think they won't. think again.

And besides, marijuana would be legal only through licensed retailers, and it will be a punishable offence to sell it to anyone younger than 18/21.

well gee shit sherlock, what do you think the drug dealers are gonna do? go get a license? yeah right. they're gonna undercut the licensed sellers.

We have enough worthless potheads already? So you're saying that because of this personal opinion we should prohibit the rights of others , EVEN THOUGH it doesn't fucking affect you?

yeah pretty much. I've seen plenty of worthless potheads that just wanna sit around and smoke all day and not be productive members of society. hell, I wanna kill about 7 different people, perhaps we should make it legal for those that wanna kill someone to get a license to off a few people? hmm?

3. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

This stuff is illegal because it destroys your brain. you DO realize that after a while LSD users tend to develop psychotic tendencies?

People should have the right to DO WHAT THEY WANT TO THEIR OWN BODIES.

meh. Maybe you're right. perhaps we should allow the ones that wanna use this shit and fuck up their minds and bodies to do so. We could usher in a whole new age of humanity.... Personally, this wouldn't be an issue if they weren't such a drain on the economy. but when you OD and end up in a hospital, who pays for it? taxpayers.

7. Smoking and Drinking Ages

At 16 people are tempted to "be cool" and are encouraged to smoke and drink by knothead morons. God knows how often people tried to lure ME into it.

Um, NEWS FUCKING FLASH.

In case you haven't noticed, teenagers drink ALL THE TIME.

um, NEWS FUCKING FLASH.

oh nevermind.... Personally I wouldn't mind seeing the drinking age set to 18. but smoking should still remain 18.

This way, this actually takes away from the "cool" factor, and thus it seems less exciting because they're not breaking the law.

The "cool factor" will remain as long as music, tv, and celebrities push it on kids. legal or not.

11. True Seperation of Church and State

no.

Oh, so let's push our personal mythological views onto the entire population without consent.

If you want to practice your religion, then that's thats COMPLETELY FINE.

But you have no right to force others to conform to your own beliefs. Keep it the fuck to yourself.

Actually, his ideas aren't that bad on this one, however, burning a church typically has a harsher sentence for a good reason. to help dissuade some mentally bandicapped raging redneck, or what have you from burning down a church they don't agree with.

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You're obviously living in some delusional fantasy land wheree you think that because something is illegal, it MUST mean people don't do it.

you say I'm delusional when you're the one who thinks that legalizing something will magically make all the problems associated with it disappear. Perhaps you should move to the UK, they have people who think just like you. "hey. let's ban guns to reduce crime!" guess, what, that doesn't work. just the same as legalizing drugs isn't gonna make the drug problem go away, it's going to make it worse now that people will actually be encouraged to try it. Many little punk teens never try out things because they don't wanna end up in prison.

Legalising said practises make them safer for the individual and society as a whole.

Bullshit. after that, then what? Many companies refuse to hire someone if they don't turn up clean on a drug test. Then people can make the arguement "you're refusing to hire us because we do something legal." and at the place i work the LAST thing we need is some burned out retard operating heavy machinery. or worse, someone high on something moving a heavy load around. Dangerous? VERY!

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At 9/14/08 02:02 AM, Lookaz wrote: and if you are, never have smoked weed on a weekly basis. if you did, then we could talk, but if you dont, then shut the hell up, hater.

Oh my, on a weekly basis?!

How badass.

But anyways I smoke everyday and still think you're an idiot. Mostly because of your self description, but also for the inane list of things you wish were true.

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At 9/16/08 10:32 PM, Korriken wrote: how about we legalize murder? people kill each other anyway.

Hmm. murder actually affects other people.

Prostitution affects only prostitutes and their clients.

the only ones who want it banned are these conservative fuckwits who thin it's "immoral".

1. spread of STDS.

annually? you are insane? a whore could catch an std the next day and spend the next year spreading it. You would have to have weekly, if not daily tests.

It's over nine thousand times better than no testing whatsoever.
If you're going to have sex with a hooker, you know the risks associated, but if we can even slightly minimise the incidences of STD's then its going to be better for society.

no dumbass. you can fire off a volley of baseless ranting at me all you want, but it won't work.

Nice question dodge.

well duh shit sherlock, how long did that take you to figure out?

Okay, way to contradict yourself.

no, not really. You would have to set up whore houses which would be monitored by armed security.

And the problem is?

The whole reason people pick up hookers and drive to a secluded area (not to mention potentially unsafe area) is so they don't get caught.

learn to read. i AM talking about now. instead of getting all butthurt that someone would even MENTION not legalizing something, try reading and seeing my point.

Ugh. You listed that as a reason against legalising prostitution, but it doesn't change either way.

Fucking hell. are you that fucking stupid that you can't read the context of my text and see that I'm saying "its illegal for this reason" instead of "its illegal it don't happen".

No no no.

You say it "should be illegal because of X", and I say that the supposed reason it should be banned happens regardless of its legality.

As in, 'X happens wither way".

You think that, but then you gotta go through the process of being screened, tested, and paying for a license to whore. how many whores do you think are gonna do that? especially the ones that whore themselves out to get their fix?

We could set up reward schemes to dob in illegal hookers.

But really though, prostitution doesn't affect others, really, and the only reasons you stated for it being banned happen regardless of its legality.
Even if we don't screen them, protect them etc etc, how does it really affect you if some guy wants to pay money for sex?

lol you really are the stupid one. I'm saying that making it legal with no age restrictions

hmm too bad I mentioned an age restriction.

; would cause the companies that sell it LEGALLY to want to market it to children.

Um, no. Obviously it would have lwas as tough or tougher than alcohol.

well gee shit sherlock, what do you think the drug dealers are gonna do? go get a license? yeah right. they're gonna undercut the licensed sellers.

Yeah, but pot smokers who don't want the risk of going to jail are going to be safely able to purchase it. That's not currently an option.
See, there's no perfect solutions, but the ones I have suggested are still better than the current way.

yeah pretty much. I've seen plenty of worthless potheads that just wanna sit around and smoke all day and not be productive members of society.

Um, I thought America was supposed to be a free country.

As in, the whole freedom thing. People should have THE RIGHT to do this.
They probably shouldn't, but the whole whole basis of America is having the freedom to do these sorts of things.

And how is it any different from alcohol and alcoholics?
Are you going to aplly your "I disagree with this lifestyle therefore it should be illegal"

Also; IT WILL SAVE MONEY. America has nearly a whole percentage of its population in jail because of drugs charges. Potheads really shouldn't be crowding up the prisons, wasting the taxpayer's money.

; hell, I wanna kill about 7 different people, perhaps we should make it legal for those that wanna kill someone to get a license to off a few people? hmm?

No, because killing them affects them. Me smoking pot does not take away any of your rights, especially not ones associated with being alive (as in, Murder does).

We could usher in a whole new age of humanity....

well MOST people aren't fucking up their brains with drugs.

Personally, this wouldn't be an issue if they weren't such a drain on the economy. but when you OD and end up in a hospital, who pays for it? taxpayers.

1. there are a million different scenarios that you could apply this logic to.

Eg. We shouldn't provide public healthcare to people who drive cars, because cars crash and cause injuries.

Millions of dollars more worth of injuries than drugs, mind you.

2. What about the drain on the economy it is having nearly a WHOLE PERCENTAGE of the population in jail for drugs charges, huh?

The "cool factor" will remain as long as music, tv, and celebrities push it on kids. legal or not.

Kids? I'm talking about 18 year olds.

11. True Seperation of Church and State

Actually, his ideas aren't that bad on this one, however, burning a church typically has a harsher sentence for a good reason. to help dissuade some mentally bandicapped raging redneck, or what have you from burning down a church they don't agree with.

1. Rednecks are practically all religious, and normally devoutly so.

2. Why should the church get special treatment?

Why shouldn't this apply to any institution people have a tendency to violently disagree with?

you say I'm delusional when you're the one who thinks that legalizing something will magically make all the problems associated with it disappear.

No, it will just make things safer.

My point in this whole thing has been yo usay something should be banned because it causes something, but this something happens either way.

its just if its legal, it has the added bonus of being safer.

Perhaps you should move to the UK, they have people who think just like you. "hey. let's ban guns to reduce crime!" guess, what, that doesn't work.

WHAT. TEH FUCK.

that's the total opposite of what I say. That's what YOU say.

let's ban X because Y happens.

even though Y happens when its illegal.

YOU'RE the one who wants to ban every little thing that he disagrees with. I'M the one who believes in personal freedom.

just the same as legalizing drugs isn't gonna make the drug problem go away,

That's the opposite of banning guns.

The same would be banning drugs and banning guns.

I'm saying we should legalise both, because being illegal doesn't fix the problem they set out to.

; it's going to make it worse now that people will actually be encouraged to try it.

no. If you want to smoke pot, you're gonna smoke pot.
people smoke it either way, but they really don't deserve to go to jail over it.

Bullshit. after that, then what? Many companies refuse to hire someone if they don't turn up clean on a drug test. Then people can make the arguement "you're refusing to hire us because we do something legal."

They don't have to hire someone they don't want to, and that's all there is to it.

and at the place i work the LAST thing we need is some burned out retard operating heavy machinery. or worse, someone high on something moving a heavy load around. Dangerous? VERY!

If someone's not adequate for the job, they won't get hired, or if they don't perform it porperly they'll get fired.

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The OP is an immature man with immature political views.

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At 9/17/08 12:48 PM, metalninjaman wrote:

1. Prostitution
the right to engage in the act of prostitution between the times of 11:00pm to 7:00am

wtf are you serious? i don't want any disease from some girl. and don't tell me to use a condom because they don't work worth shit!

Well no one is going to grab you by the balls and drag you to a whorehouse.

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I feel I should be a bit more thorough

At 9/14/08 01:35 AM, Lookaz wrote: THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LEGALIZED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, OR WORLDWIDE

1. Prostitution
the right to engage in the act of prostitution between the times of 11:00pm to 7:00am

Prostitution is a horrible practice. I have trouble understanding why you think any of the horrible things it, and its sellers, do would be somehow lessened by legalizing it.

2. Marijuana
the right to trade, buy, sell, inport, export, transport locally or internationally, use, or possess any strain of the Cannabis/Hemp plants at anytime, regardless of age, sex, race, or color.

I bet you supported Ron Paul.
You're saying that a 6 year old should be allowed to buy marijuana? Fuck, you're really stupid. Really, really stupid.

3. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide
the right to trade, buy, sell, inport, export, transport locally or internationally, use, or possess any specified dose of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, or more comonly known as "LSD" or "Acid". However, there is an age limit to the use of such a Drug. The Age limit is 16. Operation of heavy machinery, dangerous substances, or a vehicle of any kind, may result disastorous. Therefore, a buddy system is encouraged whence an individual has used the Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.

Why, oh why, did I decide to go in depth? Your thought-paths are so incredibly warped, I'm beginning to think this is a joke.

4. Work Weeks
The average work week is 5 out of 7 days of the week. (Mon-Fri). However, Work weeks are to be changed to Monday to Thursday.

Why?

5. Curfew
The National curfew for those Ages 1-9 is 9:00pm to 4:30am. For those ages 10-12 is 10:30pm to 4:30am. For those ages 13-15 is 1:00am to 4:00am. For those ages 16 and over, no curfew is in effect.

You are fucking insane. How can you suggest policies that would eliminate government control of... while at the same time....... fuck, I think I'm going insane just reading this.

6. Legaly an Adult
You are legally an adult at the age of 16. Meaning the following: Right to Vote, Right to Smoke, etc. All rights of adults are given to you, however responsibilities of an adult are withheld til the age of 18. meaning, those under 18 cannot and will not ever pay taxes.

Part of being an adult is dealing with the responsibilities. You aren't an adult yet if you cant.
I can't possibly understand why you'd *looks at your profile* oh.

7. Smoking and Drinking Ages
The legal age to Smoke Tobacco or Cannabis/Hemp is 16. The legal drinking age also is reduced to the age of 18. Those caught breaking these fines will be granted a fine. The fines are as follows: caught smokeing Tobacco or Cannabis/Hemp under age of 12 will be fined at $50.00 to $125.00, those caught between ages of 13 to 15 smoking will not be fined, however remains illegal for them to possess or buy any sort of Tobacco or Cannabis. Also, caught drinking light liquor substances such as beer under the age of 18 results in a $25.00 to $75.00 fine, but if the liquor substances is considered hard liquor such as whiskey, rum, gin, tequila, or wine, then the fine will be increased to $75.00 to $175.00. All depending on the amount consumed or caught with.

Wha? How can you? What made you think? Are you fucking insane?

8. The Womans Right to Choose
The right for a woman to undergo an abortion if she chooses. If under the age of 18, an abortion is actually incouraged.

Oh I understand, that's actually pretty moderate of y-ENCOURAGED?????? You can't fucking encourage people to have abortions!

9. Rating Restrictions
The right, despite of age, to view, purchase, or in any other way be exposed to Pornographic Material, this also includes things such as, Video Games and Computer Games rated "Ao (adults only)" or "M (Mature)". As well as, no matter what age, no parent or gaurdian is needed to Films rated "R (restricted)". For that these restrictions only shield childeren and young teens from what is the real world.

............I'm losing my mind. You know why young children are "shielded"? Because they're impressionable.

10. Blood Alchohol Limit
The Blood Alcohol Limit is to be increased from the current "0.0800" to "0.0900" However those under 18 have a strict Blood Alcohol Limit of ".0015".

If you think this is a good idea, you're clearly the "shielded" one.

11. True Seperation of Church and State
The government must appease the fact that not the entire United States of America, let alone the entire Planet earth, believes the same thing. That said, crimes such as "Arson Against Church and/or Other Religous Buildings", will be treated as mere Arson. Crimes like, "Priesthood Pedofilia" will be treated as normal Pedofilia, and will be carried out as such that if proven guilty, said religous leader, that being monk, priest, magus, guru, caliph, or high scholar will be dealt with the exact same way as if it were a normal case. Also before taking the stand, puting ones hand on the bible is no longer requested.

Funny how that's already in effect.

12. Jailing and Prison
The longest sentence one can recieve for a crime is 65 years. However, if convicted of maijor crimes such as genocide, mass homocide, or premeditated homocide will be given a life sentence of 90 years.

You're fucking unbelieveable.

13. School and Academics (high school)
School days will commence at any time the district chooses, however, this time cannot be before 7:30am or later than 1:00pm. All school days will be 4 hours longs, half days are 2 in a half hours long, passing periods nationwide are to be at 8 minutes each, and 20 minutes before school at 14 minutes after to get to the buses. Also school days will be at a 4 day per week law. Suspension can be no longer than 1 work week, (4 days). Detension can not exceed over 3 hours, for that would entail "cruel or unusual punishment". Saturday schools, work weeks ending on thursdays naturely become friday schools. Also, any and all Mathmatical Classes, this being geomentry, algebra, math, triginomitry, or calqulous, will no longer be taught after the students 8th grade year of school.

I'm not even touching this one, because you're practically a political Mary Sue.

14. LGBT community rights
Those of the public within the LGBT community are now given the same civil and public rights that all of America recieves, this includes Adoption, Marridge, etc. Also a non-discriminatory act will be proclaimed to say words such as "F*g", "F***ot", or "H*mo", are to have the same taboo as words such as "N***er" or "Be***r"

Ok. That's fine.

15. Right of Anti-Racists
The right to eliminate self-proclaimed racists on sight, this meaning, those practicing Neo-Nazism have the legallity to be shot. As well as those of the KKK, or other white, black, latino, middle eastern, or orienital supremacy. This is considered the right of Anti-Racism, and can only be carried out if the "Racist" in question is self proclaimed indefinatly.

WHAT? WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT?
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? YOU CAN'T JUST FUCKING KILL PEOPLE ON SIGHT FOR THEIR OPINIONS! THAT VIOLATES JUST ABOUT EVERY CIVIL RIGHT AMERICANS HAVE!

I couldn't do it. I couldn't bear to type more than a couple lines for each of your "ideas," because it would have forced me to think about them. I couldn't bear letting such insanity/abject stupidity enter my mind for too long.

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these sir are your point i do not agree with

lol you really are the stupid one. I'm saying that making it legal with no age restrictions would cause the companies that sell it LEGALLY to want to market it to children.
and if you don't think they won't. think again.

it would be the same as alcohol don't market it to kids and what not

And besides, marijuana would be legal only through licensed retailers, and it will be a punishable offence to sell it to anyone younger than 18/21.

well gee shit sherlock, what do you think the drug dealers are gonna do? go get a license? yeah right. they're gonna undercut the licensed sellers.

are you even serious with this one? if i could buy it at a store i would no way would i risk buying from that gangster in the park if i had a choice between that and a store i could go to

People should have the right to DO WHAT THEY WANT TO THEIR OWN BODIES.

meh. Maybe you're right. perhaps we should allow the ones that wanna use this shit and fuck up their minds and bodies to do so. We could usher in a whole new age of humanity.... Personally, this wouldn't be an issue if they weren't such a drain on the economy. but when you OD and end up in a hospital, who pays for it? taxpayers.

lols on you for that one

and at the place i work the LAST thing we need is some burned out retard operating heavy machinery. or worse, someone high on something moving a heavy load around. Dangerous? VERY!

same as alcohol don't show up to work stoned/drunk

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At 9/14/08 01:35 AM, Lookaz wrote: 1. Prostitution

No problem here make sure they are state certified though to keep disease down

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2. Marijuana

it needs an age limit I would suggest 16 with driving age of 21

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3. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

Age should be 18 and once again has to be government controlled to keep the substance pure

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4. Work Weeks

Either change the work week to 4 days or lessen the amount of hours worked per day to 6

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5. Curfew
The National curfew for those Ages 1-9 is 9:00pm to 4:30am. For those ages 10-12 is 10:30pm to 4:30am. For those ages 13-15 is 1:00am to 4:00am. For those ages 16 and over, no curfew is in effect.

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6. Legaly an Adult

No you can't have the rights of an adult without the responsibilities, Also I believe it should be illegal to charge anyone under the age of 18 as an adult.

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7. Smoking and Drinking Ages

You have to raise the driving age here to allow for time for the novelty of drinking to wear off.

9. Rating Restrictions

Under the age of 14 should not be allowed porn, sorry kid that is just bad parenting you should have time to explain sex and porn to your children before they are exposed to it.

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10. Blood Alchohol Limit

under 16 should then have a strict .0 tolerance since they shouldn't be drinking at all

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11. True Seperation of Church and State

You should be required to swear on a flag or symbol of the country since that is what they are attempting to symbolize

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12. Jailing and Prison
The longest sentence one can recieve for a crime is 65 years. However, if convicted of maijor crimes such as genocide, mass homocide, or premeditated homocide will be given a life sentence of 90 years.
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13. School and Academics (high school)

4 hours is not enough but I believe children should be compensated for the time they spend in school. Also math courses should be offered after 8th grade and A refresher math course should be required before graduating.

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I agree with the rights issue but you should not place any laws restricting speech.

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15. Right of Anti-Racists

Umm no

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At 9/17/08 03:21 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: It's over nine thousand times better than no testing whatsoever.

the best way to legalize it would be by making brothels legitimate businesses. by doing so the employees can be guaranteed a safe work place, standard work practises (i.e. condoms mandatory or no hanky-panky) as well as testing irrelevant of the fact that rubbers are being worn.

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At 9/14/08 01:35 AM, Lookaz wrote: THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LEGALIZED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, OR WORLDWIDE

1. Prostitution

Yes no hour limits though

2. Marijuana

Yes,all drugs

3. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

Yes,all drugs

4. Work Weeks

Why

5. Curfew

Hell no

6. Legaly an Adult

Yes

7. Smoking and Drinking Ages

Yes

8. The Womans Right to Choose

Only if they can die or something teen mothers

9. Rating Restrictions

Any Age.

10. Blood Alchohol Limit

Yes

11. True Seperation of Church and State

Yes

12. Jailing and Prison

Sure

13. School and Academics (high school)

No

14. LGBT community rights

Yes

15. Right of Anti-Racists

No
My Spidey Senses tell me you're 16

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At 9/17/08 03:21 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Hmm. murder actually affects other people.

Prostitution affects only prostitutes and their clients.

That is, until, someone catches their spouse in a whore house, or the whore catches an std and begins spreading it around, whether she knows it or not. and some people with an std WOULD knowingly spread it.

the only ones who want it banned are these conservative fuckwits who thin it's "immoral".

keep telling your self that. Some yes, but others can see the inherent dangers of legalizing many illegal substances and practices

It's over nine thousand times better than no testing whatsoever.

slightly? Slightly is unacceptable. Making prostitution legal will attract people that can't get a woman otherwise. We would need rigorous testing for both parties. Aids in a whore house would fall under occupational illness.

Okay, way to contradict yourself.

you keep trying to pin me with the idea of me being delusional in the idea that "its illegal, it don't happen" which is not what I'm saying at all. Of COURSE whores are gonna die in their.. uhh... trade. from STDs and from murder. regulating it will provide some minor benefit, but you would also have to test ever man (or woman) that comes in lookin for a good time to make sure THEY don't have an STD. condom? condoms break. Also, you would have people trying to undercut the competition on the side.

no, not really. You would have to set up whore houses which would be monitored by armed security.

And the problem is?

Then you got a very desirable profession for women that do not wish to work hard to succeed in life. The market would be swamped and it would be easier for the pimps to pay a much lower wage with the "You are easily replaced" mantra that McDonald's has for its burger flippers. Also, how would the government protect the hookers from unfair business practices? Hooker gets a little worn out, pimp tosses her aside for a newer one. hooker is without a job, hooker takes to the streets.

As in, 'X happens wither way".

thank you Captain Obvious. X will happen. X cannot be completely stopped. This much is true. However, that is no reason to legalize it. By this reasoning, downloading MP3s off of file sharing systems should be legalized. can't stop it.

We could set up reward schemes to dob in illegal hookers.

drug test a crack whore. be found positive for cocaine, be denied license to whore. whore hits the streets for $25 less. the sex is about the same. worn out vagina, kinda floppy. why pay more? Otherwise it might work.

Even if we don't screen them, protect them etc etc, how does it really affect you if some guy wants to pay money for sex?

Oh it doesn't. Not personally, unless however, my sister in law shoots her husband when he goes to see a whore. Then she gets tossed in prison for life and I end up with my nephew to raise.

Yeah, but pot smokers who don't want the risk of going to jail are going to be safely able to purchase it. That's not currently an option.

Perhaps, but if the pot dealer is selling it at half price, people will be enticed to take a risk, and when caught, try to say "its a legal product to own!" Or, what would happen if a friend decides to give you a joint and the cops arrests you both for dealing in drugs?

Um, I thought America was supposed to be a free country.

true, but this is a welfare state. I would see no problem in letting people ruin themselves if there was a consequence for it. however, our government is more than glad to suppose those that refuse to be productive when they could be. I would see no problem in letting someone who earns their money enjoy a toke if they can do so responsibly.

However, I cannot agree with people having the pleasures of life without having to lift a finger to earn them. I don't have much personally, but i earned what little i got. Also, I can't agree under any circumstance to allow the sale of the hard drugs, like meth and cocaine. Is it immoral? that much is irrelevant. such things form powerful addictions which take over peoples' lives, and they just gotta keep using it to chase their high.

well MOST people aren't fucking up their brains with drugs.

This is true, but to allow people to choose to fuck themselves up, then reap the consequences of such actions (such as starving to death) would mean less people to worry about, however this is a welfare state and the government won't just let people starve. They'll be marked as disabled and given a free living. I've seen it before when I was working as a security guard. I guarded a rent controlled apartment complex for a while and noticed most of the "disabled" people looked pretty damn young and strong. Saw one guy getting a heavy workout, way too heavy for someone disabled. Found out they were let in for being disabled due to their drug addiction. Boggled my mind.

Eg. We shouldn't provide public healthcare to people who drive cars, because cars crash and cause injuries.

Cars are necessary for long distance travel. what's a crack rock good for? If you OD on pot, you're one bad sumbitch.

2. What about the drain on the economy it is having nearly a WHOLE PERCENTAGE of the population in jail for drugs charges, huh?

What about the drain on the economy from drug addicts that can't find work that will hire them and have to live off the government tit?

Kids? I'm talking about 18 year olds.

So? do you think tobacco and alcohol companies only try to advertise to adults? Next time you're in a store, check the locations of such ads, they're usually about waist high to an adult, right in the childrens' faces. NEWPORT PLEASURE! FIRE IT UP! or MARLBORO: Welcome to flavor country! You think kids don't notice this? check it out next time you go into a gas station. about the only spot you find them at adult height is behind the counter, and on gas pumps.

1. Rednecks are practically all religious, and normally devoutly so.

Stereotype, but living around so many of them, its kinda true. Except they're not very devout.

Why shouldn't...

They shouldn't. never said they should. However we should never trivialize the burning of a church. However, burning an abortion clinic should yield a similar punishment.

its just if its legal, it has the added bonus of being safer.

to an extend, perhaps, but you have to also see the negatives along with the positives, and see if the positives are worth the negatives.

WHAT. TEH FUCK.

You missed the point. The point is, concepts such as that tend to backfire. legalized whoring would lead to more men seeking whores for whatever reason, pretty much the same reason why men go to strip clubs.

I never said to ban everything I don't agree with. I'm saying to leave bans on unsafe products and practices in place. If people could responsibly use drugs, I would see no problem in it. Wanna hit a joint at home in your back yard to kick back? fine. I don't care.

no. If you want to smoke pot, you're gonna smoke pot.
people smoke it either way, but they really don't deserve to go to jail over it.

True, we need to locate the dealers and the suppliers and take them down instead. to throw someone in prison for smoking pot is indeed absurd. However, seeing as it is currently illegal, some sort of deterrent should be doled out. I would suggest community service. It's FAR better deterrent. Personally I think selling hard drugs, like crack should earn someone a noose and a gravity lesson.

They don't have to hire someone they don't want to, and that's all there is to it.

true, but stating "our workplace is drug free" or "we will not hire drug users" would have about the same backlash as a company with a publicly known policy of not hiring smokers. and we all know YOU KNOW WHO would jump right on it. http://www.aclu.org/workplacerights/gen/
13384res19981231.html

If someone's not adequate for the job, they won't get hired, or if they don't perform it properly they will be fired.

This much is true, however, in larger places, worker oversight isn't as close as it should. and someone could get high at work and end up running over someone with a fork lift.

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At 9/17/08 11:55 PM, Korriken wrote: That is, until, someone catches their spouse in a whore house,

By that token we should ban adultery all together.

People should have the right to fuck up their own marriages.
They shouldn't, but we shouldn't make laws in order to stop it.

or the whore catches an std and begins spreading it around, whether she knows it or not.

Thousands upon thousands of people in the general public unknowingly spread diseases all the time. Should we ban sex outside of marriage altogether then?

and some people with an std WOULD knowingly spread it.

????

What the fuck does that have to do with anything.

slightly? Slightly is unacceptable. Making prostitution legal will attract people that can't get a woman otherwise.

No, again, if people currently want a prostitute, they'll use one.
This just makes it safer.

Then you got a very desirable profession for women that do not wish to work hard to succeed in life. The market would be swamped and it would be easier for the pimps to pay a much lower wage with the "You are easily replaced" mantra that McDonald's has for its burger flippers. Also, how would the government protect the hookers from unfair business practices? Hooker gets a little worn out, pimp tosses her aside for a newer one. hooker is without a job, hooker takes to the streets.

So? Its their own faults then in the first place.

By this reasoning, downloading MP3s off of file sharing systems should be legalized.

No, because we ban mp3 downloads because its stealing, yet you say we should ban whores because of STDS, which banning, if anything, makes that worse.

We could set up reward schemes to dob in illegal hookers.

drug test a crack whore. be found positive for cocaine, be denied license to whore.

???

What the fuck do drugs have to do with what I said.

Oh it doesn't. Not personally, unless however, my sister in law shoots her husband when he goes to see a whore. Then she gets tossed in prison for life and I end up with my nephew to raise.

Seriously that's the lamest fucking excuse I've heard.

Know what happens more than men cheating on their wives with hookers?

Men having affairs with non-hookers. Should we ban adultery altogether then?

And also, it's your sister's own fucking fault for being such an insane bitch for shooting someone anyway.

Perhaps, but if the pot dealer is selling it at half price, people will be enticed to take a risk, and when caught, try to say "it's a legal product to own!"

1. Many people would prefer the safety even it means paying a bit more.
2. If they get caught buying it, they'll go to jail.
3. It would be illegal to consume it in a public place, and if you bought it legally it would still be in its packaging before you use it and therefore you won't get in trouble.

true, but this is a welfare state. I would see no problem in letting people ruin themselves if there was a consequence for it. however, our government is more than glad to suppose those that refuse to be productive when they could be.

Yeah, and you're telling me there's not people who do that, regardless of whether they take drugs?

On a side note, about spending money, do you have any idea how many millions the government spends on "the war on drugs"?

Also, I can't agree under any circumstance to allow the sale of the hard drugs, like meth and cocaine.

Yeah I'm only talking pot here.

Is it immoral? that much is irrelevant. such things form powerful addictions which take over peoples' lives, and they just gotta keep using it to chase their high.

Pot isn't physically addictive. I mean, you may want it a real lot, but you won't have withdrawl symptoms if you don't have it.

I've seen it before when I was working as a security guard. I guarded a rent controlled apartment complex for a while and noticed most of the "disabled" people looked pretty damn young and strong. Saw one guy getting a heavy workout, way too heavy for someone disabled. Found out they were let in for being disabled due to their drug addiction. Boggled my mind.

yeah well I'm against that.

Cars are necessary for long distance travel.

No they just make it easier. What if I say "pot is necessary to be happy"? It's not true, but it does make it easier.

what's a crack rock good for? If you OD on pot, you're one bad sumbitch.

It's virtually impossible to OD on pot.

What about the drain on the economy from drug addicts that can't find work that will hire them and have to live off the government tit?

There are more than people who are on drugs who are slackers.
And people should have the RIGHT not to work if they don't want to.

So? do you think tobacco and alcohol companies only try to advertise to adults? Next time you're in a store, check the locations of such ads, they're usually about waist high to an adult, right in the childrens' faces.

No. Most retailers are too batshit scared of losing their licence to sell it to teens.

I have a 17 year old mate who looks at least 20, and he said he would walk up to the counter and get away with some smokes.
They forced him to show ID and then kicked him out. (nb. Drinking age is 18 here before you get confused)

NEWPORT PLEASURE! FIRE IT UP! or MARLBORO: Welcome to flavor country! You think kids don't notice this? check it out next time you go into a gas station. about the only spot you find them at adult height is behind the counter, and on gas pumps.

Hmm. Their market is OVERWHELMINGLY adult dominated. Why the fuck would they go to all that trouble to sell it to people who can't even buy it?

Except they're not very devout.

Hmm...must fundies at the very least have a southern acent, but that's beside the point.

They shouldn't. never said they should. However we should never trivialize the burning of a church. However, burning an abortion clinic should yield a similar punishment.

Um, are you under the impression that with separation of church and state it would be legal to burn down a church?
All arsen crimes against establishments should be treated equally.

to an extend, perhaps, but you have to also see the negatives along with the positives, and see if the positives are worth the negatives.

Yeah, but the negatives are there either way.

You missed the point. The point is, concepts such as that tend to backfire. legalized whoring would lead to more men seeking whores for whatever reason, pretty much the same reason why men go to strip clubs.

I don't think so.

If men want to pay for sex now, they would, like pot. And like pot being legal it would just make it safer.

Wanna hit a joint at home in your back yard to kick back? fine. I don't care.

That's great, but buying said joint could land me in jail.

True, we need to locate the dealers and the suppliers and take them down instead. to throw someone in prison for smoking pot is indeed absurd. However, seeing as it is currently illegal, some sort of deterrent should be doled out. I would suggest community service. It's FAR better deterrent.

Fair point.

Personally I think selling hard drugs, like crack should earn someone a noose and a gravity lesson.

Not death perhaps, but there should be harsh penalties.

true, but stating "our workplace is drug free" or "we will not hire drug users" would have about the same backlash as a company with a publicly known policy of not hiring smokers.

Employers don't need a reason for not hiring someone. Obviously anyone with half a brain is not going to shout from the rooftop they don't want druggies if they know the sorts of lawsuits that have been filed in the past.

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At 9/15/08 02:27 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 9/14/08 10:06 PM, Korriken wrote:

1. Prostitution

11. True Seperation of Church and State

no.

Oh, so let's push our personal mythological views onto the entire population without consent.

If you want to practice your religion, then that's thats COMPLETELY FINE.

But you have no right to force others to conform to your own beliefs. Keep it the fuck to yourself.

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You're obviously living in some delusional fantasy land wheree you think that because something is illegal, it MUST mean people don't do it.

Legalising said practises make them safer for the individual and society as a whole.

HEY, WHO LET THE IDIOT ONTO THE FORUM?

Yes, separation of church and state is used to keep people from influencing others children, however. what the author of this post is suggesting would grant people who dissagree with Christians or other groups to destroy buildings that belong to those they dissagree with or hate. Some bigot could even burn down an all black church and say he just felt the urge and that he's some demented pyromaniac, and get sent to a funny farm instead of a prison like he deserves. It allows bigtime persocution of believers and is a stupid Idea.

Also, Sadistic monkey, have you ever heard of the revolution of France? Thousands were killed because someone didn't like 'em and said they supported the crown, basicaly, murder was legal. By legalising things you cause a lot more people to get into it. Adults aren't drunks because they think it makes them look cool, they're drunks, because they love to be drunk. Letting kids drink, while it would eliminate "Cool Factor" we would have half a million drunk, useless teenagers, and heck, they're bad enough when they aren't.

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At 9/14/08 01:35 AM, Lookaz wrote: THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LEGALIZED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, OR WORLDWIDE

1. Prostitution
the right to engage in the act of prostitution between the times of 11:00pm to 7:00am

I disapprove, but I can't see anything wrong with it.

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2. Marijuana
the right to trade, buy, sell, inport, export, transport locally or internationally, use, or possess any strain of the Cannabis/Hemp plants at anytime, regardless of age, sex, race, or color.

Age? I think a little kid with marijuana might be a little bad. Either way, I'm undecided about this too. Leaning towards no.

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3. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide
the right to trade, buy, sell, inport, export, transport locally or internationally, use, or possess any specified dose of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, or more comonly known as "LSD" or "Acid". However, there is an age limit to the use of such a Drug. The Age limit is 16. Operation of heavy machinery, dangerous substances, or a vehicle of any kind, may result disastorous. Therefore, a buddy system is encouraged whence an individual has used the Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.

Isn't legalizing marijuana enough? LSD has -very- minute medicinal properties. It just puts another drug into the lives of ordinary people.

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4. Work Weeks
The average work week is 5 out of 7 days of the week. (Mon-Fri). However, Work weeks are to be changed to Monday to Thursday.

No. The economy would grind to a halt. One less work day would severely damage the economy, and possibly spark workers' rights arguments.

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5. Curfew
The National curfew for those Ages 1-9 is 9:00pm to 4:30am. For those ages 10-12 is 10:30pm to 4:30am. For those ages 13-15 is 1:00am to 4:00am. For those ages 16 and over, no curfew is in effect.

A curfew sounds alright, no need for little kids to be wandering the streets at night. It should be waived if they're with a parent, though.

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6. Legaly an Adult
You are legally an adult at the age of 16. Meaning the following: Right to Vote, Right to Smoke, etc. All rights of adults are given to you, however responsibilities of an adult are withheld til the age of 18. meaning, those under 18 cannot and will not ever pay taxes.

18 is already pushing it. We don't need 16-year-olds running around drinking and voting and whatnot. They're just not... old enough. Not enough education, biologically too young for some stuff...

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7. Smoking and Drinking Ages
The legal age to Smoke Tobacco or Cannabis/Hemp is 16. The legal drinking age also is reduced to the age of 18. Those caught breaking these fines will be granted a fine. The fines are as follows: caught smokeing Tobacco or Cannabis/Hemp under age of 12 will be fined at $50.00 to $125.00, those caught between ages of 13 to 15 smoking will not be fined, however remains illegal for them to possess or buy any sort of Tobacco or Cannabis. Also, caught drinking light liquor substances such as beer under the age of 18 results in a $25.00 to $75.00 fine, but if the liquor substances is considered hard liquor such as whiskey, rum, gin, tequila, or wine, then the fine will be increased to $75.00 to $175.00. All depending on the amount consumed or caught with.

That actually sounds like a half-decent idea, we don't need underage drinking either. I'm aware that some kids drink, but I'm talking about 'party-style binge drinking', not little sips from their parents' beer.

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8. The Womans Right to Choose
The right for a woman to undergo an abortion if she chooses. If under the age of 18, an abortion is actually incouraged.

Encouraged. And it violates several rights, I'm gonna say no comment.

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9. Rating Restrictions
The right, despite of age, to view, purchase, or in any other way be exposed to Pornographic Material, this also includes things such as, Video Games and Computer Games rated "Ao (adults only)" or "M (Mature)". As well as, no matter what age, no parent or gaurdian is needed to Films rated "R (restricted)". For that these restrictions only shield childeren and young teens from what is the real world.

Pornography is NOT the real world. I sound like a religion class, but it's an act of intimate love, not moneymaking and acting.

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10. Blood Alchohol Limit
The Blood Alcohol Limit is to be increased from the current "0.0800" to "0.0900" However those under 18 have a strict Blood Alcohol Limit of ".0015".

0.0800 is high enough.

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11. True Seperation of Church and State
The government must appease the fact that not the entire United States of America, let alone the entire Planet earth, believes the same thing. That said, crimes such as "Arson Against Church and/or Other Religous Buildings", will be treated as mere Arson. Crimes like, "Priesthood Pedofilia" will be treated as normal Pedofilia, and will be carried out as such that if proven guilty, said religous leader, that being monk, priest, magus, guru, caliph, or high scholar will be dealt with the exact same way as if it were a normal case. Also before taking the stand, puting ones hand on the bible is no longer requested.

I'm not touching this one.

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12. Jailing and Prison
The longest sentence one can recieve for a crime is 65 years. However, if convicted of maijor crimes such as genocide, mass homocide, or premeditated homocide will be given a life sentence of 90 years.

I don't see much of a difference. There's already a life sentence.

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13. School and Academics (high school)
School days will commence at any time the district chooses, however, this time cannot be before 7:30am or later than 1:00pm. All school days will be 4 hours longs, half days are 2 in a half hours long, passing periods nationwide are to be at 8 minutes each, and 20 minutes before school at 14 minutes after to get to the buses. Also school days will be at a 4 day per week law. Suspension can be no longer than 1 work week, (4 days). Detension can not exceed over 3 hours, for that would entail "cruel or unusual punishment". Saturday schools, work weeks ending on thursdays naturely become friday schools. Also, any and all Mathmatical Classes, this being geomentry, algebra, math, triginomitry, or calqulous, will no longer be taught after the students 8th grade year of school.

NO. NO, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO! Education is important, get used to it. 5 days a week. Longer than 4 hours, try... the regular school day as it is now! As for the math, don't be lazy about it. Math is incredibly important. Just because you don't want to do math doesn't mean the world doesn't need it. No math = failure in life.

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14. LGBT community rights
Those of the public within the LGBT community are now given the same civil and public rights that all of America recieves, this includes Adoption, Marridge, etc. Also a non-discriminatory act will be proclaimed to say words such as "F*g", "F***ot", or "H*mo", are to have the same taboo as words such as "N***er" or "Be***r"

No comment, I'm not touching this one either.

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15. Right of Anti-Racists
The right to eliminate self-proclaimed racists on sight, this meaning, those practicing Neo-Nazism have the legallity to be shot. As well as those of the KKK, or other white, black, latino, middle eastern, or orienital supremacy. This is considered the right of Anti-Racism, and can only be carried out if the "Racist" in question is self proclaimed indefinatly.

Again, no comment.

These ideas of yours are so biased it's unbelievable. From the looks of them (especially ideas #4 and 13), you're just lazy. From the looks of #2,3,6,7 and 9 you just want to be able to do adult stuff 2 years earlier.

Try to exclude your personal bias next time you try to improve a country.

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At 9/14/08 10:45 AM, KeithHybrid wrote:

At 9/14/08 01:35 AM, Lookaz wrote: 1. Prostitution

Can't really agree on this one, mostly because of the dangers of catching a disease involved. Twenty bucks for syphalis? No thanks.

I could agree to the idea of prostitution with no real issues under the following conditions.

1. Registered houses for their actions.
2. Regular medical check ups, I'd say once every two weeks for saftey and such. One positive and you are out of there until it is cured. No cure, no return.
3. Each individual who partakes is registered with them so in the event of an illness, they could be contacted and treated. It would also assist in the tracking of individuals with STDs since the regular checkups allow for a timeline of infection.
4. Individuals partaking in services require a clean medical check up no older then two weeks.

That is all that I can think of at the moment, if more needs to be added, please feel free.

2. Marijuana

This is just a case of "Make this legal because I want it".

I'm getting the same feeling about that, but I don't see any reason to ban it as it causes no deaths from its use unless you happen to be a bag of Doritos.

3. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide

See above.

I can see nothing good with possibly endorsing this, I have to agree with you 100%.

4. Work Weeks

I can see this working for many blue-collar jobs (though they'd probably have to work had as hell to make up for not working on Friday), but emergency services and food establishments wouldn't be able to work with this change.

Such a work week is impossible to implement without detriment to a large portion of the population. Either there will be longer hours, or the same number of days, and as Hybrid has pointed out, would cripple some industries.

5. Curfew

Sounds like a state/local government matter.

I believe that an overwhelming majority of 16 year olds shouldn't be outside when they are not being watched closely. Most of them can't be trusted to be honest, as most are doing rather foolish things at that age. Hell, even here at the university, the frats regularly prove that age does not equal maturity.

6. Legaly an Adult

See my responses to items 2 and 3.

Again, I must agree with Hybrid for the simple reason that 16 year olds that are well informed about anything are few and far between, and thus it should be left at 18. As for taxes, if you are adult, the full tax should apply anyway as you have all the rights such taxes purchase.

7. Smoking and Drinking Ages

See responses to 2, 3, and 6.

I believe the smoking age should remain 18, but I do agree that 18 for the drinking age makes a fair amount of sense. I can die for my country yet I can't get blitzed in it. Awesome. Granted I can, but that used to be my phrase when I was a wee bit younger. Funnily enough I still don't drink, yet I plan on trying my hand at microbrewing....

8. The Womans Right to Choose

I agree, woman's body, woman's choice. I doubt though, that it would be too healthy for a woman under 18 to have an abortion. If anything, mandate giving the child up for adoption if she's not of age.

I'm not too keen on the forced aboption idea, as it would put a large strain on the already tight budgets of DFS and such.

9. Rating Restrictions

Awww, is someone butthurt because mummy wouldn't let them play GTA?

I've never had issues with these restrictions, as I always viewed them as suggested ages, then again I look a fair bit older then I am.

10. Blood Alchohol Limit
The Blood Alcohol Limit is to be increased from the current "0.0800" to "0.0900" However those under 18 have a strict Blood Alcohol Limit of ".0015".

See answers to items 2, 3, 6, and 7.

"Why bother changing these?" is the first question that comes to mind.

11. True Seperation of Church and State

I agree on this one.

Agreed as well.

12. Jailing and Prison

Some people live beyond 65 years, so once they get out, they could just get back to commiting crime (just not as well as when they were young). Instead, I believe murder should recieve a life sentence by default, mass/serial murder a death sentence, and sexual assault or rape, good ol' chemical casteration.

I'd prefer literal physical casteration with a hammer used by the young lady or gentleman who was harmed, then again I'm hardly a decent judge on the matter since such actions make my blood boil.

13. School and Academics (high school)

It's not the system's fault that you're a punk-ass juvenile who constantly get's in trouble for truancy. You can't be any older than 16, from what I'm gathering from this list...

Agreed, as academics are incredibly important. Proof is easy to provide, as you use a computer, a product of study over decades.

14. LGBT community rights

Agree'd

I agree as well.

15. Right of Anti-Racists

Maybe not shot. Beating the living shit out of them should suffice...and maybe chemical casteration (not like they need to breed, anywho).

To each their own, so long as they don't harm anyone physically, they can spout all the idiotic words they wish. As soon as they incite even a little violence, or raise their hands to do such, then they get the chemical joy killer.

Anyway, if this has been replied to already, my apologies, I stepped away and simply forgot to post it.

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At 9/18/08 07:06 PM, SynicalSatire wrote: HEY, WHO LET THE IDIOT ONTO THE FORUM?

Obviously your mother.

Yes, separation of church and state is used to keep people from influencing others children, however. what the author of this post is suggesting would grant people who dissagree with Christians or other groups to destroy buildings that belong to those they dissagree with or hate. Some bigot could even burn down an all black church and say he just felt the urge and that he's some demented pyromaniac, and get sent to a funny farm instead of a prison like he deserves. It allows bigtime persocution of believers and is a stupid Idea.

omg you're such fucking douchebag.

At 9/14/08 01:35 AM, Lookaz wrote:

11. True Seperation of Church and State
The government must appease the fact that not the entire United States of America, let alone the entire Planet earth, believes the same thing. That said, crimes such as "Arson Against Church and/or Other Religous Buildings", will be treated as mere Arson. Crimes like, "Priesthood Pedofilia" will be treated as normal Pedofilia, and will be carried out as such that if proven guilty, said religous leader, that being monk, priest, magus, guru, caliph, or high scholar will be dealt with the exact same way as if it were a normal case.

His post said that arson against a church would be treated as regular arson, as in the same as arson of any other establishment. As in, all equal, not preferential treatment for the church. Which is how it should be.

basicaly, murder was legal.

HRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM.

Show me exactly the fuck where I advocated making murder legal.

By legalising things you cause a lot more people to get into it.

You're speaking out of your ass there.

Adults aren't drunks because they think it makes them look cool, they're drunks, because they love to be drunk.

HRMMM, I guess that's why I never claimed that then.

Letting kids drink, while it would eliminate "Cool Factor" we would have half a million drunk, useless teenagers, and heck, they're bad enough when they aren't.

1. If a teenager really wants to drink, they'll drink, illegal or not.

2. I said 18 for the limit, which is entirely reasonable.

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LOL, my take on this rubbish-

THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LEGALIZED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, OR WORLDWIDE

1. Prostitution
Yeah man, move to Las Vegas. Women selling their bodies because they can't afford to make ends meet is the epitome of sexism. As well, disease, anyone?
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2. Marijuana
Probably lower the penalties, or create an age limit. Marijuana is harmful, but pales in comparison to the deaths caused by drunk driving.
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3. Lysergic Acid Diethylamide
Utter crap. Anyone who uses this substance already has something wrong with their head. Proliferation would also infiltrate schools, horrible consequences.
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4. Work Weeks
What if you want to make more money? Official work weeks would be a disaster. The government would respond to the deduction in wages by increasing the minimum wage. In the long term, increasing this by any large sum will result in the devaluation of currency, and the subsequent inflation that follows. In the end, you're back where you started
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5. Curfew
Only in cities. Would be horrendously expensive to enforce.
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6. Legaly an Adult
Ridiculous. If you're legally an adult, you must assume the responsibilities of an adult. Purchase of restricted products by adults is taxed, cannot be avoided. To deprive such persons of teh responsibility would encourage them to avoid it in the future.
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7. Smoking and Drinking Ages
Same goes. The country would see a huge surge in ailiments and deaths associated with the use and consumption o said products.Cancer rates would rise beyond measure. Not to mention the brain damage, but you already know about that more than most of us do xD
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8. The Womans Right to Choose
This is already pretty much standard. A few pockets here and there still nhil.
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9. Rating Restrictions
Stupid, stupid stupid. Pornography is acting. Acting is portraying something as being more glamorous than it actually is. This is not the "real world". Game ratings aren't really restrictive, and and from what I have experienced, are rarely enforced. R rated movies are pretty much the same. All in all, something such as this would simply fail.
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10. Blood Alchohol Limit
0.08 causes enough damage. Severe disorientation, loss of coordination. RAISING it would have terrible implications on highway safety, as well as giving the general sense among drinking persons that they may consume more. In reality, there's not much difference between .07 .08 or .09. The disorientating effects are still there.
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11. True Seperation of Church and State
Um yeah. This is already here. People are not required to swear on a bible, or any religious text for that matter. They may do so only if they request. Such was the case with Rep. Keith Ellison
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12. Jailing and Prison
Yeah, stupid. People who have slain entire races have pretty much forfeited
their rights. Life in prison is even more effective than capital punishment. It ravages the mind, and most wish tehy were dead fourty years later.
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13. School and Academics (high school)
Yeah, you're like Ten, right? Mhm, the country is bad off enough with illiteracy and lack of education.
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14. LGBT community rights
Most people agree that rights should be the same. Restricting speech is stupid. Restrictions of words, reverberations of sonic waves violates every other right, for they all include the freedom of speech, for without, they are pointless.
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15. Right of Anti-Racists
Ok, anarchy, anyone? Nazis suck, but you cant accuse someone of being one and then cap them when you feel like it. What if someone thought you were a racist? Wait, is someone at your door? RUN! Idiocy at it's finest. This whole topic is pure LMAO material...

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At 9/19/08 02:33 PM, EmpireOfAtaraxia wrote: LOL, my take on this rubbish-

Worst first post EVAR.

for true

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are u fukin high!

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At 9/19/08 07:52 PM, polska322 wrote: are u fukin high!

Are you a fucking illiterate?

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Some of these are obvious and some are outrageous.

Work weeks mon. - thurs. ? you're a legal adult at 16 but you don't take responsibilities of an adult until 18??? that makes no sense!

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I said no to all but three things. Why?

1. A lot of what you are saying is pretty much "I want to vote, smoke, drink but I'm only sixteen ( =( )"
2. Some would have an even more of the effect of the economy in a bad way. 4 hours of school a day? That's too short! Considering that we are in the 20-30th in the nation for our education. Plus most schools all over the world have Saturday school as a MANDATORY school day.
3. It appears you want to be 18 so badly.
4. Being able to see R rated movies, M rated games, porn? Just wait one more year for the movies and game, and go online to look at porn.

I only agreed to legalizing drugs part.

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At 9/16/08 10:32 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 9/15/08 02:27 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Since when has banning something stopped people from doing it? God.

Argh god you're a moron. why don't we just legalize everything? obviously laws against anything can't work, people will do it anyway. how about we legalize murder? people kill each other anyway. My point, now sit down.

I just wanna point out that Murder is illegal and that doesn't stop people from murdering others.

BTW that's not only flawed, but it's also an irrational argument.

annually? you are insane? a whore could catch an std the next day and spend the next year spreading it. You would have to have weekly, if not daily tests.

Weekly seems reasonable, so does daily. BTW, withing their job, the customer will need a form to show he has been tested and has no STDs. so within the job, no STDs are brought in from the customers. And with the hookers, who are checked weekly or daily, won't spread it unless they have sex after work, which reduces the spread of STDs through prostitution.

Weekly and daily tests work fine.

Um, that happens EVEN THOUGH ITS IllEGAL.

well duh shit sherlock, how long did that take you to figure out?

That happens because it's illegal. If it was legal the sex happens inside a room, inside a building with security. People can be checked at the doors for weapons. Problem solved.

And besides, it would be a hell of a lot safer if its legal. Duh.

no, not really. You would have to set up whore houses which would be monitored by armed security.

Yeah, whore houses. I can't believe you actually consider there would be people buying hookers on the street when they can go to a safe, legal whore house where the hookers are clean and the government taxes it.

simply standing on the corner won't be any safer, legal or not. use your head.... your upper head. you pick up a whore in your car. you point a gun at her. you drive her to a secluded area. have your way with her. shoot or strangle, or just break her neck and toss her aside.

Won't happen in whore houses.

3. no way to tax that income.

And there is now?

learn to read. i AM talking about now. instead of getting all butthurt that someone would even MENTION not legalizing something, try reading and seeing my point.

You're wrong. There is a way to tax that income. Nevada seems to be doing that fine.

Fucking hell. Are you that fucking stupid you think that just because something is illegal that it doesn't happen??

Fucking hell. are you that fucking stupid that you can't read the context of my text and see that I'm saying "its illegal for this reason" instead of "its illegal it don't happen".

It was made illegal because prostitutes were being murdered. Of course that makes no sense in today's world. We are much more advanced. The reason for it's illegality is because some people think it's "immoral" and because they don't want to do it, they don't want anybody else to.

Prostitution is going to happen, legal or not, but if it is legal its going to be much safer and will be easier to regulate.

You think that, but then you gotta go through the process of being screened, tested, and paying for a license to whore. how many whores do you think are gonna do that? especially the ones that whore themselves out to get their fix?

All of them. They will be in a safe environment, doing legal trade, earning money they know they will keep while staying safe and clean. You live in a dream world man. Go to Nevada, there seems to be enough hookers in whore houses.

We have enough worthless potheads already? So you're saying that because of this personal opinion we should prohibit the rights of others , EVEN THOUGH it doesn't fucking affect you?

yeah pretty much. I've seen plenty of worthless potheads that just wanna sit around and smoke all day and not be productive members of society.

That's your problem. Not everyone who smokes pot is a pothead. That's like saying everyone who drinks beer is an alcoholic. Try being reasonable instead of being an ignorant prick. Legalizing will benefit society.

Let me ask you, and be reasonable here, how is the legalization of marijuana benefiting society?

If your answer is going to be "because people don't smoke it." Then I want you to know you're wrong, people DO smoke it.

If your answer is "Less people smoke it.", then perhaps, that's true. But then again, how does that benefit society?

hell, I wanna kill about 7 different people, perhaps we should make it legal for those that wanna kill someone to get a license to off a few people? hmm?

That's your problem, keep it to yourself. That doesn't add anything to your argument.