Obama is a despot

[S-W-A-R-M-generation]

Last semester, Obama visited my college campus. This fellow seems like a nice guy and all, but is he who we need, as Americans, to lead our nation in this time of dire crisis? With the Republican party making bumbling errors, it only makes sense that every would lean towards Obama. However, I've passed one too many coffee shops with conversations about how great Obama is and how he will be a great leader. This is were I heartily disagree: he has about the same foreign policy experience as Palin and never says anything concrete in any of his speeches. Sure he addresses things that need to be changed in the USA, but never does he present a MEANS to achieve this end.

The way I figure, he is a fantastic speaker and the lesser of two evils at this point. This does not default him to being a "good leader."

[psycho-squirrel]

Anyone is better then Bush.
Obama is helping encourage the American people and youth to get involved in political issues and help take hold of the country, as we should.

I think we need someone who wants change. The way we are heading right now is down a shitter.

McCain is pretty good too.

But both of them better put America itself at priority #1. Help other countries, but make sure you are helping to rebuild America too. Bush just did his little war and didnt even bother with America.

[gumOnShoe]

I'll answer your ignorance with answers to the questions you assumed you'd answered.

That's what he wants to do. Now stop thinking about the general consensus look at the issues and what he wants to do and decide for yourself. Being a rebel for the sake of fighting an illusionary despot is laughable. Man up and learn.

[MortifiedPenguins]

So why would he be Despot.

Beyond the fact that he can't in our government and the fact that he isn't in power yet, so he doesn't have the potential to be one, do you have any other words or terms to use.

[SynicalSatire]

while he can't be considered a Despot (yet) I agree with you, he is full of hallow plans, and not in anyway, expierienced enough to handle foreighn problems, for example the war in Iraq

MCCAIN '08

[Enishi]

Personally I go with Obama. Mccainis way too much like Bush. He being called a maverick now is just to get extra votes I mean he only agreed with Bush 90% of the time. The only right wingers to agree more would have to be Cheney and Karl Rove. This war has been dragged out for far to long and Mccain has stated we will stay in until the job is done. Well what job is there getting oil? We already got sadam out even though that wasnt a rightful plan anyways since the hijackers were saudi arabian and not Iraqi. Only reason we didnt go into Saudi Arabia is because bush rubs elbows with the Saudi leader. I believe Obama will bring this country change. Like he said in his speech 8 is enough. Do we really want the GOP in for at least another 4 years. Do we really want to go through the hell of another republican that gives tax cuts to the rich and throws our country further in debt. I say to all you republicans out there voting republican just because its your ticket. If your a republican and dont approve of Bush why vote for Mccain. Remember in 2000 when people said well anything is better then Gore. Well I would rather be hugging trees then watching food prices steadily increase and paying high gas prices. in 2004 people didnt like Kerry because he talked to much and didnt seem in touch. Kerry would have lead this country in a better direction but too many christian nut jobs said omg he thinks abortion is okay when he never really said that. Bush just played the innocent card and went along with christians to get the vote when Bush had the same stands on abortion and gay marriage as Kerry. Look now anyways christians thought Bush would make abortion completly illegal well guess what women can still have abortions in this country. Mccain is almost to a T like Bush. His running mate Palin is just a show to get more women to vote for Mccain. Watch if he got in office she would not hardly be doing anything. Not like a republican doing anything is good. But anyways the women is so far right she wants to ban abortion and gay marriage. Well when it came to her daughter she said its my daughters choice but when it comes to america they can just buzz off. As for the stance of gay marriage why is it so wrong for homosexuals to want to be married. If they want to be miserable like most married couples let em go for it. As long as they arent imposing their gay rights on me im fine with gay people. I mean how far has this country truly progressed. Are we going to go back to the days of beating gays and blacks? Today on CNN I saw something astounding in a poll there are actually people that will not vote for Obama because he is black. I mean what the hell. Some percentages of America would vote for someone who will cause our country to corrode from the inside out but not vote for someone just because the color of their skin. I really hope those numbers are KKK and not sane people. That just proves how sad this country is. OBAMA/BIDEN 08

[Enishi]

At 9/6/08 04:41 AM, GallitoMix wrote: Beware of these "changes, changes, changes!" speeches pronounced by Obama that often don't have any substance. Make sure to know for real what those changes that Obama talks about are.

In 1917, Russians wanted a change.
In 1922, Italians wanted a change.
In 1933, Germans wanted a change.
In 1959, Cubans wanted a change.
In 1979, Iranians wanted a change.

So please, ask Obama what his changes are all about. Its your right as citizens to know them specifically, so that you can cast a responsible vote in these upcoming elections.

Lol Mccain talks about changes as well. Doesnt have a way to fix them just like people are saying Obama doesnt have a way to fix them. Also whats funny is most all of Mccains speechers are similar to Bush's as far as agenda goes. And sir or Madam I can tell you are very die hard republican because you use a heavy extreme to get a point across but wont look inward at your own party and see what the do wrong. For example

Bush spoke of change look where his change got us. Trillions of dllars in debt. Got out country in debt within one year even though entered office with a surplus. Got ourselves in a senseless war against the wrong target. Iraqi's arent Saudi. Bush wanted change our educational system is still a joke our healthcare system is a joke. I mean hell terrorists in guantanimo bay get free healthcare but us americans dont because people like bush as well as democrats like hilary because they get paid off to not try and reform our healthcare. Will Mccain bring us this change Americans want. Is it the change that the GOP has been giving us for 8 years. People say Mccain has alot of experience and Obama hardly has none. All Mccain ever had to do was agree with Bush 90% of the time. Obama is actually trying to make this country a better place to live.

OBAMA/BIDEN 08

[CogSpin]

Yes, he is who we need.

He will tax the rich, which will close the deficit, increase the value of the currency, and save the economy.

He will also ensure net neutrality and pull out of Iraq starting day one.

McCain will help his oil buddies and rich minorities,which will DESTROY the country, as will his trigger-ready temper.

So stop being moronic and vote Obama.

Do you think all the bad times during Bush's Presidency have been a coincidence? Do you also think it's a coincidence that McCain has 95% supported all of Bush's decisions in the Senate??

I mean, seriously. Why don't you just think beyond such a simplistic view as "Oh, he's a good speaker, so therefore he might not be the guy we need in this time"

GROW A FUCKING BRAIN

[adrshepard]

At 9/6/08 10:03 AM, Mr-Money wrote: He will tax the rich, which will close the deficit, increase the value of the currency, and save the economy.

He will also ensure net neutrality and pull out of Iraq starting day one.

McCain will help his oil buddies and rich minorities,which will DESTROY the country, as will his trigger-ready temper.

He will close the deficit by taxing additional billions out of the economy, including investments, and use it to fund bloated healthcare programs that don't advance the country's power or prosperity in any way.

He will pander to people's paranoia by giving lip service to net neutrality and turn America into a passive power abroad, starting with an unconditional withdrawal from Iraq.

McCain will open up resource drilling and exploration off the coast, which will do absolutely nothing to harm the country (worst case scenario some inedible animals die), he won't impose near 50% taxes on households making over 250,000, and unlike Obama, he will not weaken US influence in the Middle East just to conciliate Iran.

GO OBAMA!

[CogSpin]

At 9/6/08 11:37 AM, adrshepard wrote:

At 9/6/08 10:03 AM, Mr-Money wrote: He will tax the rich, which will close the deficit, increase the value of the currency, and save the economy.

He will also ensure net neutrality and pull out of Iraq starting day one.

McCain will help his oil buddies and rich minorities,which will DESTROY the country, as will his trigger-ready temper.

He will close the deficit by taxing additional billions out of the economy, including investments, and use it to fund bloated healthcare programs that don't advance the country's power or prosperity in any way.

He will pander to people's paranoia by giving lip service to net neutrality and turn America into a passive power abroad, starting with an unconditional withdrawal from Iraq.

McCain will open up resource drilling and exploration off the coast, which will do absolutely nothing to harm the country (worst case scenario some inedible animals die), he won't impose near 50% taxes on households making over 250,000, and unlike Obama, he will not weaken US influence in the Middle East just to conciliate Iran.

You fail to understand the consequences of starting more of these wars in the Middle East. It costs money, which leads to increased money printing, which devalues the dollar further, which increase oil further, which hurts people further, which destroys the country.

And offshore oil drilling will do what you said: nothing. Nothing.

McCain and Bush are oil men. They are not out to help YOU. They are out to help corporate interests. Plus, they're not even intellectually competent. How long is it going to take for you yanks to realise that the Republicans are your worst enemy, and the corporations' best friends? Jesus Christ...

[Shaggytheclown17]

At 9/4/08 04:56 AM, S-W-A-R-M-generation wrote: he has about the same foreign policy experience as Palin

Actually no on many levels, Palin has no experience in anything other than being a mayor which has no use for being vp, Obama has at least been in the senate and helped people in struggling states, I wouldn't turn this into an experience argument if I were you.

The way I figure, he is a fantastic speaker and the lesser of two evils at this point. This does not default him to being a "good leader."

A better leader than Bush or Mccain at the very least, Obama wont send this country hurtling into depression for God knows what purpose, the effing war costs some billions per month man, surely with that shit they can afford to give everyone free healthcare, no shit.

[Saruman200]

At 9/6/08 04:41 AM, GallitoMix wrote: Beware of these "changes, changes, changes!" speeches pronounced by Obama that often don't have any substance. Make sure to know for real what those changes that Obama talks about are.

In 1917, Russians wanted a change.

Yah, and they ended up better afterwards. Believe it or not, the Soviet Union wasn't any worse than Tsarist Russia. Almost immediatly after the revolution, standard of living increased. And they were no less free. Tsarist Russia could be considered a lot more oppresive than the USSR, considering the USSR was the first country to give woman equal rights, the first country to allow divorce, and the first country to allow abortions (whenever you agree with them or not, that's still freedom), not to mention the end of anti-Jewish pograms.

In 1922, Italians wanted a change.

I don't know enough about fascist Italy to argue.

In 1933, Germans wanted a change.

And the Nazis ended a deep depression and improved the quality of life for all Germans. So, for the German people it was a very good change, except for the Jews. Not gonna deny that was terrible, but the election of the Nazis wasn't completely bad for the Germans.

In 1959, Cubans wanted a change.

Fidel Castro was a lot better than the military dictator (forget the name) that came before him. You do know how much they love Castro in Cuba don't you? If they had democratic elections in Cuba every year since the revolution, Castro would have won them all, and you can't blame the Cubans for liking a guy that improved there quality of life so much.

In 1979, Iranians wanted a change.

A change from an authoritarian monarchy to Islamic theocracy. To us, they both look pretty bad, but if you ask the Iranian people, there sure as hell gonna pick the Islamic theocracy. Both were/are pretty brutal dictatorships, but at least one represents the will of the majority of the population.

All the "changes" you've listed so far may not have been good for us in the West, but they were good for the majority of the population of the countries you mentioned.

So please, ask Obama what his changes are all about. Its your right as citizens to know them specifically, so that you can cast a responsible vote in these upcoming elections.

You know, I can't understand how people can be so stupid as you be ranting and raving about how Obama hasn't told us what he's gonna do, then a few minitutes later bash his policies on Iraq, healthcare, taxes, abortion, social security, and energy. Obama policies are no less clear than McCain's. Just because he focuses on a slogan a lot of time, doesn't mean anything. People don't like Bush. They want change. So by appealing to that, Obama is just running an effective campaign. He is winning, after all. Slogans are slogans, he's not trying to hide a sinister motive behind it.

[Jizzlebang]

At 9/6/08 04:41 AM, GallitoMix wrote:

In 1917, Russians wanted a change.
In 1922, Italians wanted a change.
In 1933, Germans wanted a change.
In 1959, Cubans wanted a change.
In 1979, Iranians wanted a change.

So since he is talking about change from the current government and administration.. it's dictatorship?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the colonists and revolutionists of America also want change?

So please, ask Obama what his changes are all about. Its your right as citizens to know them specifically, so that you can cast a responsible vote in these upcoming elections.

There is plenty of information about Obama's plans. Plenty of detalied information. But if you close your eyes and say "Rhetorics Rhetorics Rhetorics!!", of course you're not gonna know what he's talking about.

[Snayke]

Guys didn't you know? People are only voting and being nice for Obama cause he's black. The Republicans are right to say that the liberals only want him cause he's black. Black people surely cannot attain such a high position without white guilt. It is laughable to us to think that he can rise to such a level by himself.

There's also his name, Obama. What does that sound similar to? OSAMA. That's right, Barack HUSSEIN OSAMA is a secret Muslim extremist. The Republican Party knows that he is truly a terrorist behind his facade of pretty speeches and the such.

There are some very intelligent posters in this thread. Who here actually cannot see the dictator and tyrant that is Barack Osama? He clearly wants to tear up the constitution and install a dictatorship in place of American democratic government. Seriously, his calls for "change" are really to overthrow the existing establishment by force. Who ever had their lives improved from change WITHOUT conflict? Someone mentioned a bunch of countries. Exactly! Nobody has ever had their lives improved from change in a democracy or political pressuring. No one has been given equal rights from democratic process. What an absurd notion, to think that social change can be achieved in a democratic and free society. Liberals and their fantasies.

Really, we conservatives are being rather tame with our hints at Osama's terrible impact that he will have on our fair nation. We've barely restrained ourselves from the Hitler references.

P.S.: The Nazi Party got around 1/3 of the vote. At no point in time did the Nazi Party by itself hold a majority in the Reichstag. They had to make a coalition with another party to get control, then they dismantled democracy with force. Anyone who didn't sign their bill of handing over complete control to Hitler was removed from parliament by one of the many SA members who had encircled the place. The Socialists stood up to them, and were never seen again. The concentration camps were infact originally made for political enemies of the Nazis.

[xskatasticx]

Live Obama Feed

Theres a link to him speaking to some city in Indiana? I think its Indiana...either way its Obama.

To whoever said hes just going to pull out of Iraq well he stated something in this video about offering them military training and help when they want it, that we should shift our military focus over to Afghanistan.

He also said something about he wants it available so that you can do community service to have your college tuition paid.

Obama sounds totally legit to me.

[aninjaman]

At 9/6/08 01:30 PM, Snayke wrote: Guys didn't you know? People are only voting and being nice for Obama cause he's black. The Republicans are right to say that the liberals only want him cause he's black. Black people surely cannot attain such a high position without white guilt. It is laughable to us to think that he can rise to such a level by himself.

Of course how could a black man ever make it without white guilt. Im sure his fancy law degree from Harvard and years as a community oraganizer and his inspirational speeches have nothing to do with his success as a politican. No it was guilty white people helping him the whole way.
Yes that is sarcasm.

There's also his name, Obama. What does that sound similar to? OSAMA. That's right, Barack HUSSEIN OSAMA is a secret Muslim extremist. The Republican Party knows that he is truly a terrorist behind his facade of pretty speeches and the such.

Troll. Even the Republicans on this site know that thats bullshit.

There are some very intelligent posters in this thread. Who here actually cannot see the dictator and tyrant that is Barack Osama? He clearly wants to tear up the constitution and install a dictatorship in place of American democratic government. Seriously, his calls for "change" are really to overthrow the existing establishment by force. Who ever had their lives improved from change WITHOUT conflict? Someone mentioned a bunch of countries. Exactly! Nobody has ever had their lives improved from change in a democracy or political pressuring. No one has been given equal rights from democratic process. What an absurd notion, to think that social change can be achieved in a democratic and free society. Liberals and their fantasies.

I see your sarcasm now. Or at least I hope its sarcasm.

Really, we conservatives are being rather tame with our hints at Osama's terrible impact that he will have on our fair nation. We've barely restrained ourselves from the Hitler references.

P.S.: The Nazi Party got around 1/3 of the vote. At no point in time did the Nazi Party by itself hold a majority in the Reichstag. They had to make a coalition with another party to get control, then they dismantled democracy with force. Anyone who didn't sign their bill of handing over complete control to Hitler was removed from parliament by one of the many SA members who had encircled the place. The Socialists stood up to them, and were never seen again. The concentration camps were infact originally made for political enemies of the Nazis.

What does that have to do with anything?

[Snayke]

At 9/6/08 02:14 PM, aninjaman wrote: years as a community oraganizer

Didn't you watch the RNC? We all laughed at community based organisations. HAHAHA TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF DRUGS! HAHAHA HELPING OUT THE POOR! What absurdity. Up yours community! We have family values from small country towns!

What does that have to do with anything?

Someone was talking about the Nazis winning the election. I just wanted to clarify that a coalition was made AFTER the elections. They never had a majority themselves.

[CaiWengi]

At 9/6/08 01:30 PM, Snayke wrote:

P.S.: The Nazi Party got around 1/3 of the vote. At no point in time did the Nazi Party by itself hold a majority in the Reichstag.

They made a coalition as you said, and this gave them a majority. From that they then passed whatever laws they wanted.

The american constitution is very different to the Weimar republic, so a comparison is worthless anyway. Obama isnt an evil dictator

[Snayke]

It wasn't me who compared Obama's message of "change" to that of the Nazi Party. Whoever did is clearly a great debater of reality.

[Slick-Rob]

At 9/6/08 10:03 AM, Mr-Money wrote: Yes, he is who we need.

He will tax the rich, which will close the deficit, increase the value of the currency, and save the economy.

I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to quote Fred Thompson on this one. "We're in a recession and he wants to give the biggest tax raise in American history."

If you think high taxes solves everything than look again. You don't have to look farther than even
Michigan to see the results of such a tax hike.

He will also ensure net neutrality and pull out of Iraq starting day one.

I'm sorry, could you please rationalize for me why we should pull out now that the troop surge is working? Why can't you let us win the damn war?!

McCain will help his oil buddies and rich minorities,which will DESTROY the country, as will his trigger-ready temper.

Trigger-ready temper? What the heck are you talking about? The man is stable as a rock; I mean we're talking about a guy who never gave up hope after 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton. What kind of presssure has Obama been under? The media has basically been trying to sweep everything bad he's done under the carpet, and he never had to experience any true test of his patriotism and loyalty to America, unlike McCain, who, every day he spent in Hanoi, was beaten mercilessly in an attempt to make him break and spill the information. As Thompson said at the RNC,"They asked him the names of the other pilots in the squadron. John gave them the offensive line-up of the Green Bay Packers." Now that's a man of character.

So stop being moronic and vote Obama.

Moronic? Me moronic? How about you actually stop letting yourself get caught up in the bullshit the media is feeding you and actually look for the truth!

Do you think all the bad times during Bush's Presidency have been a coincidence? Do you also think it's a coincidence that McCain has 95% supported all of Bush's decisions in the Senate??

I don't know what your talking about. Could you proove to me that his Senate record has pretty much always followed the party line? Hell, if you watched the RNC, you would know that's not true. And to quote Sarah Palin's speech at the RNC, "We're talking about a man who's written two memoirs, but hasn't written a single major law or even a reform in the United States Senate!"

I mean, seriously. Why don't you just think beyond such a simplistic view as "Oh, he's a good speaker, so therefore he might not be the guy we need in this time"

GROW A FUCKING BRAIN

Really, your entire response here looks like a rant without much evidence. It sounds like you got this verbatim from a Newsweek Editorial columnist, actually. Why don't you actually take a close look at your candidate, and look at what he's really done with his life.

I believe some one who would negotiate with terrorist nations, like Iran and Syria, without preconditions is proof that, in the realm of foreign policy, Obama would merely be another Neville Chamberlain. You should know how that works out.

I believe a candidate who will raise taxes to build a health care plan--which, if you look at what the same plan has done for socialist nations like Germany, Canada, France, etc., you will see that the survival rate for cancer patients is about 10% higher, meaning the quality of health care is better in the United States right now under the current system-- is truly a moron.

[Snayke]

Seriously, just vote McCain. He was a prisoner of war, which equates to great experience of being a President and leading a nation with the most capable and destructive military in the world and the most valued economy.

Prisoner of war = political, economical and military genius

[Snayke]

At 9/6/08 03:39 PM, GallitoMix wrote: P.S. to my previous post (Ng really needs an Edit button): In short, I hope that Obama takes it easy with his changes. Nothing too radical with the sole purpose to screw up Republicans or whoever, as radical measures in the end affect everyone.

I support this message.

Any sort of permanent change requires time. Social restructuring is just like economic restructuring. It takes time for the change to occur. Trying to force it at once will only prove to be counter-productive. It's kinda like what the PRC is doing with their country. All their change has been considerably slow to us. We all think that China should instantly change their economic, social and political systems in the blink of an eye. But the real world doesn't work that way. Even growth doesn't work that way. Sustainable economic growth is not unlimited. I'm ranting and I don't know what my point is anymore.

[aninjaman]

At 9/6/08 03:17 PM, Slick-Rob wrote:

At 9/6/08 10:03 AM, Mr-Money wrote:

I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to quote Fred Thompson on this one. "We're in a recession and he wants to give the biggest tax raise in American history."

If you think high taxes solves everything than look again. You don't have to look farther than even
Michigan to see the results of such a tax hike.

First Michigan is in a recession not because of taxes because all the companies that had factories there went overseas. Second the government has been cutting taxes for the past eight years and so far all that gave us is a reccesion. Following Bush's tax cut policies will not get this country out of a fianancial hole that was help dub by those tax cut policies.

:: I'm sorry, could you please rationalize for me why we should pull out now that the troop surge is working? Why can't you let us win the damn war?!

THe surge is technically over so shut up about it. Also a drop in violence is only one sign of winning. There is still violence in Iraq. The Iraqi government is useless and incompetent and the Iraqi police forces have shown lille progrees and violence has resurged in Afghanistan. Where is the proof we are winning this war?

Trigger-ready temper? What the heck are you talking about? The man is stable as a rock;

Look it up before you say anything.

I mean we're talking about a guy who never gave up hope after 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton. What kind of presssure has Obama been under?

McCain's war experience has been politicized to the point where you even mentioing it in a discussion unreleated to his war record makes me want to scream.

The media has basically been trying to sweep everything bad he's done under the carpet, and he never had to experience any true test of his patriotism and loyalty to America, unlike McCain, who, every day he spent in Hanoi, was beaten mercilessly in an attempt to make him break and spill the information. As Thompson said at the RNC,"They asked him the names of the other pilots in the squadron. John gave them the offensive line-up of the Green Bay Packers." Now that's a man of character.

Really what about the huge controversy over Obama's pastor or how the media said he was a secret radical Muslim. Bet you also forgot the eliteist scandal the media talked about before America could not stand that word any more. Or the fact Obama had to start his own website to fend of rumours the media took way to seriously.

:: Moronic? Me moronic?:

Yes

I don't know what your talking about. Could you proove to me that his Senate record has pretty much always followed the party line? Hell, if you watched the RNC, you would know that's not true. And to quote Sarah Palin's speech at the RNC, "We're talking about a man who's written two memoirs, but hasn't written a single major law or even a reform in the United States Senate!"

proof
And there is more if you got off your high horse and spent two seconds googlling Mccain's voting record like I did.

:: Really, your entire response here looks like a rant without much evidence. It sounds like you got this verbatim from a Newsweek Editorial columnist, actually. Why don't you actually take a close look at your candidate, and look at what he's really done with his life.

Uhhh.... He has been a community organizer for the poor in Chicago and has brought a party toghether and the aftermath of the failure that is the Bush administration and much more.

I believe some one who would negotiate with terrorist nations, like Iran and Syria, without preconditions is proof that, in the realm of foreign policy, Obama would merely be another Neville Chamberlain. You should know how that works out.

You mean goes down in history as one of the best wartime presidents like Churchill went down in history as one of the best and most inspirational Prime ministers ever? Comparing Obama to Chamberlin makes him look good.

I believe a candidate who will raise taxes to build a health care plan--which, if you look at what the same plan has done for socialist nations like Germany, Canada, France, etc., you will see that the survival rate for cancer patients is about 10% higher, meaning the quality of health care is better in the United States right now under the current system-- is truly a moron.

So you base your whole health care plan around one statistic? Also you throw around the word socalist. Those nations are not socialist and you probably dont even know what socialism is either.

[Snayke]

No, universal healthcare is a socialist idea. That's why we don't have pure market economies around the world. They are all mixed-market economies. Public health and education are both socialist ideas. Any sort of social protection is pretty much a socialist idea. A pure free market is one where the government only provides the currency of the nation and a police and defence force for the nation I guess. Everything else is handled by the market. You don't have any institutions helping anyone who may need help temporarily or easy access to education.

[AudioxGoreGasmx]

Obama? PLEASE.

He's such a celebrity candidate. He has little to no experince. He has NONE in regards to being a LEADER of ANYTHING. And good for him, that he wants change, as most Americans do. But HIOS idea of change is going back and forth with his beliefs and values, changing his mind, and changing his political platform to the likes of whoever he's speaking to.

Does McCain do that? Don't think so.

If anything, I want mccain to win simply because he'll at least be able to make up his mind before consulting his 23495723578239485 foreign policy advisors, and then change his mind 2930572398 times.

[Snayke]

At 9/6/08 03:58 PM, Snayke wrote: No, universal healthcare is a socialist idea. That's why we don't have pure market economies around the world. They are all mixed-market economies. Public health and education are both socialist ideas. Any sort of social protection is pretty much a socialist idea. A pure free market is one where the government only provides the currency of the nation and a police and defence force for the nation I guess. Everything else is handled by the market. You don't have any institutions helping anyone who may need help temporarily or easy access to education.

Correction, successful market economies. I think there are some, but none that are powerful like the economies in the West and the tiger economies of Asia. Mixed market economies seem to be the winning formula for success in regards to social order and economic might.

[Zeistro]

At 9/6/08 05:34 AM, Enishi wrote:

Alright. I decided to go out of character and decided to respond to a post.

Personally I go with Obama.

Personally, I'm going with McCain. If only for the fact I like the second amendment and can still maintain the greater portion of my financial future.

Mccainis way too much like Bush.

Really, please, in persuasive essay form, explalin how McCain is a carbon coby of Bush. Remember, if you plagiarize I'll be forced to mark you down for a zero.

He being called a maverick now is just to get extra votes

No, he's called a maverick because he is not perceived as soft-ball on home defenese. I believe Hillary was going for the samething. Are you actually using a title other politicians and pundits have given to him as reason not to vote for him? Pitiful.

I mean he only agreed with Bush 90% of the time.

Looks like someone bought into the Obama ad. You know what else? ALOT of senators have voted among those lines. I guess their all just clones of Bush.

The only right wingers to agree more would have to be Cheney and Karl Rove.

I wish Rove were running for a political office. The man's a damn genius, though that isn't alone why someone should vote for him.

This war has been dragged out for far to long and Mccain has stated we will stay in until the job is done.

Guess what, moron, Obama plans to stay in Iraq until 2010. He doesn't want to pull out because he realizes that would be a stupid move. The troop surge was a success(with a higher deathrate in Chicago than Iraq right now) and now Obama wants to ride its gravy train.

Well what job is there getting oil?

Oil was never the reason going there. I'm pretty incredulous of everything the government, but the numbers indicate oil was a lesser priority.

We already got sadam out even though that wasnt a rightful plan anyways since the hijackers were saudi arabian and not Iraqi.

No shit. We can't pull out of Iraq because it would basically harm the US in the long run. I hate this idea of the US as the world police but I also believe in fixing what we broke, namely Iraq.

Only reason we didnt go into Saudi Arabia is because bush rubs elbows with the Saudi leader.

No, the only reason we didn't go after Saudi Arabia is because the government there is our ally.

I believe Obama will bring this country change.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh wow, what a stupid douche. He won't change this country. Nothing about his plans is new or innovative. Just about everything he proposes will have a greater detrimental effect than Bush's President. Seriously - have you even read either his Senate voting record or his plans? It's basically the same shit Carter tried.

Like he said in his speech 8 is enough.

Looks like we found ourselves someone's that suckered by pretty words rather than the substance behind them.

Do we really want the GOP in for at least another 4 years.

No, I'd prefer a leader that doesn't care about party lines and are only out for the United State's benefit. Do I want a four years of Obama? Fuck no. I'd rather have the GOP unless the democrats stage someone better.

Do we really want to go through the hell of another republican that gives tax cuts to the rich and throws our country further in debt.

Unless you weren't even a zygote by the begining of President Bush's 2000 campaign,(I'm guessing you weren't) then you'd know he gave tax cuts across the board.

I say to all you republicans out there voting republican just because its your ticket. If your a republican and dont approve of Bush why vote for Mccain.

Because McCain > Obama.

Remember in 2000 when people said well anything is better then Gore.

They are right. Gore's a bigger jackass than Bush and Kerry combined.

Well I would rather be hugging trees

So you're a pussy? Figures

then watching food prices steadily increase and paying high gas prices.

Really? You know that's all due to inflation, or did you not take economics 101 yet?

in 2004 people didnt like Kerry because he talked to much and didnt seem in touch.

I liked Kerry a hell of alot more than Obama.

Kerry would have lead this country in a better direction

What the hell gives you that authority? From what I've read you have no fucking idea what's up and what's down. You seem ignorant of even the football issues your candidate is in favor of.

but too many christian nut jobs

Lol, leftwing bigotry!

said omg he thinks abortion is okay when he never really said that. Bush just played the innocent card and went along with christians to get the vote when Bush had the same stands on abortion and gay marriage as Kerry.

Sorta like how Obama is playing the same card with universal healthcare and how republicans don't care about the working class?

Look now anyways christians thought Bush would make abortion completly illegal

Nope. I believe the issue is rather if Kerry or the democrats would make abortion more ubiquitous.

well guess what women can still have abortions in this country.

Thank God partial-birth abortion was outlawed.

Mccain is almost to a T like Bush.

What the fuck does this even mean?

His running mate Palin is just a show to get more women to vote for Mccain.

Obama is just there to get white guilt.

Watch if he got in office she would not hardly be doing anything.

Palim has more economic experience than both Obama and Biden. Why I say this? Because she was governor of Alaska. Alaska itself exports billions of dollars a year. She has to manage the budget and actually perside over the lives of alot of people in her state.

Not like a republican doing anything is good. But anyways the women is so far right she wants to ban abortion and gay marriage.

So what? I'd only be affected by that if I were a slutty girl or gay person. I'm neither so your pleas naturally fall on deaf ears.

Well when it came to her daughter she said its my daughters choice but when it comes to america they can just buzz off.

So Palim's daughter had an abortion?

I'm going to cut off the rest of the post because it basically has very little to do with either McCain or Obama.

[Snayke]

I think in relation to Palin's daughter, the problem was that her daughter had a CHOICE. A choice she will let her daughter have but not everyone else. Or at least that is the vibe I'm getting. Her daughter was probably guilted into keeping it anyway for Palin. That's what I would suggest if I was a heartless political advisor to the McCain campaign.

[adrshepard]

I think the original poster was trying to say Obama is a demagogue, rather than a despot, lol.

But he's right. Obama's message is all about pandering rather than issues. Sure, he has policies, but most of them mirror McCain's anyway; invest in alternative energy, improve automobile efficiency, throw money at education and healthcare, give amnesty to illegal immigrants. His major variations are just demagoguery: punish oil companies for having economies of scale, make the rich pay even more of the burden of income taxes, be anti-war until the surge works, then claim to have supported it. And now, I found out, he wants to open up the friggin Strategic Oil Reserve to help "working families" only a few months after he made such a big deal criticizing the summer gas tax break, saying it was a pointless, temporary measure.

Just look at all his advertising. His attack ads don't go after McCain on the issues, but simply accuse him of being like Bush.

[boycartoonist]

No, he's awful. My term I use for people like him is "Candy Thrower", never getting down to buisness and just trying to please listeners. To much goody, not enough meat.