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She did that just to score some votes from undecided christians.

At 9/3/08 06:19 PM, agnryscotsman wrote: get the fuck off the forums n00b.

Lol.
Talk about being ironic on perpose.

Anyway, the only reason I actually whatch those election things is to see some possable assassinations, or a riot. So, in short, I never really payed attention to what she said.

i think Palin kicks ass
she's a member of the NRA

yea talk about a wtf conversation at least mine was cool to talk about this is stupid and the guy below me was right thats not what she meant you took it like that no one else does. you must have no life if thats all you do is find post to lock cause its not to your standards. your 32 go to work and start a family get off newgrounds.

this lady is sick

At 9/3/08 10:11 PM, jennyzapp wrote: this lady is sick

Anything to add to that? Ad hominem attacks are in poor form when there's a lot to address in a legitimate fashion.

She's pretty consistent and has some deep running values that she obviously believes in. Now for the fun part: this is being touted as an admirable trait - to pray to God that we are doing the right thing by going to war. The same trait is held by those we are fighting against - it can also be argued that they pray to the same God. It's all a bit too Crusade-y for my liking, especially after Bush's 'gaffes' that invoke Crusade type rhetoric.

Another thing I don't like is her advocacy in overturning Roe v. Wade.

The fact that her husband belongs to, and she gives video speeches for, a party that advocates the secession of Alaska from the U.S. Now, they will try to tell you that the party is about states rights, but it is not. If you cared so much about that particular right (as Vermont did) you would make sure the bit about secession is in your state constitution hurrrrr.

I also don't like that she doesn't know when the Pledge of Allegiance was written or that 'Under God' was added 50 some years later. Good enough for the Founding Fathers, indeed.

That's enough for now, I'd hate to freak everyone out with wall of text but holy shit.

At 9/3/08 06:53 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

At least under Saddam, the infrastructure was working and all that good stuff

too bad the goverment in iraq is stabalizing right now or that would be a good point.

and civilians didn't ahev to worry about terrorists and American soldiers.

you talk about our troops as if they go around randomly killing people.

also, violence in iraq is also down.

Thousands of civilians have died because of this war, be it from terrorism, American military accidents, lack of food, illness, poverty, etc.

yeah, its called war, those things happen in wars.

war is always an awful thing.

You can't say that he was pure evil.

yes i can, everything and anything good he ever did was to benifit himself.

Yeah, we stayed in a place we should have never went to in the first place, costing absurd amounts of money, time, and manpower.

we've been over this, we went in because we thought there was a suffient threat.

That's just fucking stupid. There was a chance that Russia was going to Nuke us for decades, but we never had to resort to invading.

thats because they already definitly had nukes, that was a cold war and it was a horible thing.

thats one of the reasons we invaded, to avoid another cold war.

There's a chance I'll win the lottery tomorrow. There's a chance that I will get cysts under both of my nipples by next month. It doesn't mean it's going to happen.

yeah, but iraq having a nuke was more likely then all those things, and a bigger risk too.

Yeah, but that doesn't justify the whole.

its not supposed too.

Which was being prepared to be carried out before the war, until we decided to rush in headfirst like morons.

if they had nukes, they would have used them while we were carrying out the investigation.

that would have left us wide open.

That's fucking absurd.

yeah, because it was a joke.

also, just because your military is deep pushed back, doesn't mean you can't build a nuke that will hit your enemy.

but several other countries have the capability to do the same.

things have become a stronger political issue, things have become tighter and harder.

otherwise, iran would probebly be invaded by now.

Saddam was toppled in a few moths, yes. However, we continued to fight. Just because we're not fighting the enemy we thought we would be doesn't mean that we're not at war.

it does mean we're protecting civilians from terrorists.

2000-2004 election prove how people are so stupid in some places...

george bush is a joke .. his father was good in his 1st run but then failed.

If u want USA to be the great country it use to be vote obama , still is great.

What freaks.

How can you even vote for them?

Ron Paul 08'

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Its nice how you quote phrases instead of sentences

At 9/3/08 10:56 PM, DraGoN-RaGe-9001 wrote: Ron Paul 08'

</election>

Some people see politics just as a "sports game".

So much bad news about Sarah Palin. I'm losing faith in the republican party, especially after John McCain's anger at CNN and refusing to do an interview for a seemingly "appropriate" interview.

God dang it republicans, try actually criticizing the policies of Obama instead of his character. Try to do things correctly for once.

In the beginning I was intrigued by John McCain. Now I am so disappointed at his actions and his party's actions also.

Oh well, on with the debates. I still haven't lost all hope for the Republican party.

At 9/3/08 10:56 PM, DraGoN-RaGe-9001 wrote: Ron Paul 08'

</election>

I thought he dropped out. Well, in any case, I support both him and Bob Barr, the latter less so. McCain goes against abortion and wants to stay in Iraq. Obama wants to take our guns away, ban violent video games(from what I've heard, I could be wrong), and is all-in-all promising much more than one can deliever. They're both douchebags. I'm a little iffy about Bob Barr too, but he still seems worlds better than the other two. If Ron Paul is infact still running, then I support him above all.

At 9/3/08 11:30 PM, Funkybob2 wrote: If Ron Paul is infact still running, then I support him above all.

You have the option of writing him in. :)

At 9/3/08 10:40 PM, homor wrote:

At 9/3/08 06:53 PM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

At least under Saddam, the infrastructure was working and all that good stuff

too bad the goverment in iraq is stabalizing right now or that would be a good point.

To add on to what he is saying, Saddam had made troops murder quite a bit of innocent civilians in Iraq before the invasion.

and civilians didn't ahev to worry about terrorists and American soldiers.

you talk about our troops as if they go around randomly killing people.

also, violence in iraq is also down.

One problem to your statement is that you don't have anything to back you up with. Sure it is down NOW, but I don't recall seeing any violence between over there from 1991-2002.

Thousands of civilians have died because of this war, be it from terrorism, American military accidents, lack of food, illness, poverty, etc.

yeah, its called war, those things happen in wars.

war is always an awful thing.

No comment.

You can't say that he was pure evil.

yes i can, everything and anything good he ever did was to benifit himself.

For most reasons, yes I would say he is evil.

Yeah, we stayed in a place we should have never went to in the first place, costing absurd amounts of money, time, and manpower.

we've been over this, we went in because we thought there was a suffient threat.

He was a threat, but I agree with the idea that we should have waited until a conformation of "weapons of mass destruction".

That's just fucking stupid. There was a chance that Russia was going to Nuke us for decades, but we never had to resort to invading.

thats because they already definitly had nukes, that was a cold war and it was a horible thing.

thats one of the reasons we invaded, to avoid another cold war.

Now this is stupid, IF Iraq never had any nukes, how could there be another Cold War? Also, if we were back in 2003 and if I was President Bush, I would worry about North Korea.

There's a chance I'll win the lottery tomorrow. There's a chance that I will get cysts under both of my nipples by next month. It doesn't mean it's going to happen.

yeah, but iraq having a nuke was more likely then all those things, and a bigger risk too.

More research should've been applied before invading though.

Yeah, but that doesn't justify the whole.

its not supposed too.

No comment.

Which was being prepared to be carried out before the war, until we decided to rush in headfirst like morons.

if they had nukes, they would have used them while we were carrying out the investigation.

that would have left us wide open.

There is no prediction if he were to use it or not.

That's fucking absurd.

yeah, because it was a joke.

No comment.

also, just because your military is deep pushed back, doesn't mean you can't build a nuke that will hit your enemy.

but several other countries have the capability to do the same.

things have become a stronger political issue, things have become tighter and harder.

otherwise, iran would probebly be invaded by now.

No comment.

Saddam was toppled in a few moths, yes. However, we continued to fight. Just because we're not fighting the enemy we thought we would be doesn't mean that we're not at war.

it does mean we're protecting civilians from terrorists.

Considering that we are in the Middle East AND 9/11 happened not too long ago. That would be a good idea to stay because of an uncontrolled government.

Wait, there's a god?

...Has he been watching me fap?

At 9/3/08 10:37 PM, Maus wrote: That's enough for now, I'd hate to freak everyone out with wall of text but holy shit.

I always did love your walls of text, mostly because of their accuracy and to the pointedness (I hereby deem that pointedness is a word).

But yeah, seperation of church and state for a reason and think that should apply to policy as well, which she seems incapable of doing.

I want this to fucking end.

At 9/3/08 10:40 PM, homor wrote: war is always an awful thing.

EXACTLY

We not only chose to go to war, but we chose to invade prematurely, ill-equipped, shortsightedly. and against the wishes of most of the global community.

NOW FUCKING LOOK WHAT HAPPENS

THOUSANDS DEAD

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS LOST

And for what? A "chance" of a nuke. A "maybe". A "perhaps". A "hunch".

This war will forever be remembered by historians as a disaster in U.S. military and political history.

At 9/4/08 12:54 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: This war will forever be remembered by historians as a disaster in U.S. military and political history.

Amen.

Even with the success of this new Iraqi government, that would only cause more problems, such as Israel. Because the U.S supported Israel, now the Arabs have more of a reason to hate the west, and there is more violence and instability in the region. Imagine what Iran and the other countries would do if Iraq turned into a democracy. More violence and hate against the U.S.

This is a lose lose situation in my view. The war in Afghanistan seems like the real fight against terror, not this useless war in Iraq.

At 9/4/08 12:54 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote: And for what? A "chance" of a nuke. A "maybe". A "perhaps". A "hunch".

Sir, I don't think you are taking this seriously enough. Even at the slightest chance of them containing a biological weapon of mass desruction capable of destroying a city is a serious matter. Hell, I'd invade Chile on a hunch that chinchillas were attempting to destabilize the Christian fundamentals of our democratic freedom without batting an eye; and I'd suppress those chinchillas until they knew that when I said I was going to bring them to justice and democracy, they'd know I'd do it. And I wouldn't be wishy washy and through around the term victory for the sake of an election. Those chinchillas have to know, that you can't use God as an excuse for violence. God bless our cause, God bless America, and God bless our leaders and their decisions as passed down from Jesus Christ himself. Amen!

At 9/4/08 01:22 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: God bless our cause, God bless America, and God bless our leaders and their decisions as passed down from Jesus Christ himself. Amen!

how could i be so blind

At 9/4/08 01:33 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

At 9/4/08 01:22 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: God bless our cause, God bless America, and God bless our leaders and their decisions as passed down from Jesus Christ himself. Amen!

how could i be so blind

Please don't insult the blind, its not very christian of you.

At 9/4/08 01:36 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:

At 9/4/08 01:33 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

how could i be so blind

Please don't insult the blind, its not very christian of you.

oh goodness, I hope they don't see me as being rude

At 9/4/08 01:39 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

At 9/4/08 01:36 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:

At 9/4/08 01:33 AM, Luxury-Yacht wrote:

how could i be so blind

Please don't insult the blind, its not very christian of you.

oh goodness, I hope they don't see me as being rude

The blind, see you as being rude?! There's no end to your insensitivity? Its almost as if you were made of stone or wood! Like a duck, that is to say a witch!

That's why if McCain/Palin get elected I'm taking an extended vacation to Canada.

At 9/4/08 03:19 AM, IDIifferentname wrote: That's why if McCain/Palin get elected I'm taking an extended vacation to Canada.

good

At 9/3/08 11:38 PM, T-N-T wrote: One problem to your statement is that you don't have anything to back you up with.

i could give you a link, but i think i'll just tell you to go to wikipedia instead.

they have whole section in their iraq war artical on the effects of the surge and footnotes.

Sure it is down NOW, but I don't recall seeing any violence between over there from 1991-2002.

but there WAS a dictator in power.

He was a threat, but I agree with the idea that we should have waited until a conformation of "weapons of mass destruction".

i'll give you that.

Now this is stupid, IF Iraq never had any nukes, how could there be another Cold War?

relations with:
iran
russia
china
pakistan
north korea

that would have left us wide open.

There is no prediction if he were to use it or not.

if he had it, he would have used it before we could find it.

i could approve of abit more re-search, but i'm just giving you the goverment's position.

OBAMA IS READY TO LEAD

At 9/3/08 10:51 PM, RushGSP wrote: 2000-2004 election prove how people are so stupid in some places...

george bush is a joke .. his father was good in his 1st run but then failed.

If u want USA to be the great country it use to be vote obama , still is great.