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At 8/31/08 06:51 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: Not to mention the circularity of that logic, it just allows more needless suffering, if even only slightly.

I didn't realize the newgrounds BBS general was a spawning pool for the suffering of society.

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At 8/31/08 08:32 PM, Soylent-Blue wrote: Stuff (cant fit quotes)

You misunderstood me. When i said people who dont believe are idiots, i wasn't reffering to belief in god or anything like that. I mean belief in general. Believing that your country will win the olympics. Believing that your friend will make it through cancr. Believing that your pet dog who ran away will come home some day.
Even if those beliefs are illogical, they are still what make us human.
I wasn't reffering to religoun in any way whatsoever.

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At 8/31/08 08:32 PM, Soylent-Blue wrote: (stuff)

Also, when i said i was ignorant. Yes, i know nothing about the 'truth' this whacko is
trying to force us to search for.
All i know about is what i believe. (Not reffering to religion).
This guy wants us to search for some great truth. Why? Do we really have to know?

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At 8/31/08 08:32 PM, Soylent-Blue wrote:

And, also, believing didn't give us houses, computers or cars.

Architects, programmers and engineers did.

Finally, those architects BELIEVED that they could accomplish making that building.
If they didn't believe they could finish it, wheres their motivation?
You completely misundertsood what i said. As for insulting others logic without considering my own, i have taken everything both 's0-smart' said, and everything i have said. And as far as i can see, neither of our logical views are perfect, but mine is much more humane.
Sorry for this chain of posts. I did it to show you how much you misunderstood my comment.

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At 8/31/08 06:41 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: In my recent threads, logic and evidence have been ignored and hated by way of virtually no posts or deconstructive, personally-insulting ones.

It is this exact kind of dogmatic self-centered mental that humanity's worst atrocities have been committed in (Holocaust, Crusades, Jihad, Slavery, Torture, Legalized Racism, Genocide, & etc etc). Obviously, this kind of attitude and approach to situations is un-productive to creation/maintenance of "a-group-of-sentient-beings-who-are-to-h ave-the-most-fair-enjoyment-possible". It will only lead to more and more despair which shouldn't be desired.

I beg of you, to forgive me for any implied insults you think I've thrown at you (I may of actually done this, as we all know, we aren't born with knowledge of how to act properly as I think I do now, or at least I wasn't born with that knowledge).

I have good reason to believe that certain belief systems are causing more bad than good. How- -ever, my attempts to disrupt the belief has only lead to more chaos.

What do you think I should do? (I typed like this to differentiate it from all my other attempts to reconcile).

Also, said belief systems will only lead to increasingly more and more suffering, to the point that life would be inhospitable. If you don't believe this is the actual situation at hand, feel free to enter a hypothetical mode and then answer, instead of just claiming that this situation isn't at hand currently and leaving it at that, it would be much better if you at least offered your advice for what should be done in such a situation, whether or not it currently exists now.

Yes, certain belief systems affect the world in bad ways, but only to me or you. Its all a matter of perspective. Lets take Hitler for example. He believed the Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, etc were inferior to the Aryan race and decided to eliminate them. However, in his eyes and the eyes of other extreme pro-Aryan supporters, his actions were noble and necessary. To everyone else, especially those who had to suffer, his actions were despicable. It's your opinion that his belief system was bad, and a commonly accepted on at that, but there are some people who see Hitler as a holy king or god. To his supporters, he attempted to rid the word of chaos (coexistence of multiple races and people of different religions). The definition of "a better world" is entirely subjective.

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At 8/31/08 08:25 PM, Panther wrote: What logic? you ignore every good post and respond to shit

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Seriously.

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At 8/31/08 09:53 PM, Petwoip wrote:

At 8/31/08 06:41 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

:: Yes, certain belief systems affect the world in bad ways, but only to me or you. Its all a matter of perspective. Lets take Hitler for example. He believed the Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, etc were inferior to the Aryan race and decided to eliminate them. However, in his eyes and the eyes of other extreme pro-Aryan supporters, his actions were noble and necessary. To everyone else, especially those who had to suffer, his actions were despicable. It's your opinion that his belief system was bad, and a commonly accepted on at that, but there are some people who see Hitler as a holy king or god. To his supporters, he attempted to rid the word of chaos (coexistence of multiple races and people of different religions). The definition of "a better world" is entirely subjective.

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I don't think Hitler actually believed that Jews were responsible for the poor state of Germany at the time. His own mother was Jewish, for god's sake. I believe he was trying to gain the support of the German people by not only giving them someone to blame for their problems, but also a solution to their problems as well.

As for your general topic, I don't think religion does more harm than good. It does a lot of harm, I'll give you that. But it's only in extreme cases that it actually hurts people. To say that every priest in the world is a secret Jew-killer/child molester is a bit much(don't worry, I know you didn't actually say that). For most people, religion is something that helps them through the hard times, gives them something to do on Sundays, and helps them cope with death. It can't be all that bad.

(for the record though, I'm not religious at all.)

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At 8/31/08 09:57 PM, BlackPlastic wrote:

At 8/31/08 08:25 PM, Panther wrote: What logic? you ignore every good post and respond to shit

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Seriously.

Compile one or all of the "good posts" i've ignored and I will respond to them all, quickly and effectively. If I don't completely and utterly disintegrate any and every point made against a serious topic of mine, I will never go to the NGBBS again.

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At 8/31/08 06:41 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: In my recent threads, logic and evidence have been ignored and hated by way of virtually no posts or deconstructive, personally-insulting ones.

Then what do you think you should stop using?

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At 9/2/08 09:34 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: Compile one or all of the "good posts" i've ignored and I will respond to them all, quickly and effectively.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9628 50

"In any case, SSSD. Aversive behaviour isn't all about righteousness. Infact... the righteousness felt having taken a particular stance is usually retrospective. Sexuality is more imbued than it is rationalized. Not that I'm against breaking down the things we've taken for granted - cause I'm not.

Actually... I'm curious about another thing SSSD. Where in Brick-top's OP did you see anything that might hint at some sense of righteousness to overcome? I thought the post struck me as very neutral, and the question at the end more of a matter of semantics." - me

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9619 29

"Let people have their beliefs... As an agnostic person myself I don't understand why it is so vitally important for people who don't buy into religion to crush the beliefs of everyone around them. I personally believe that if people want to believe anything, even something as ridiculous as say, Martha Stewart is the reincarnation of Buddha and we should all pray to her nightly, then they have that right." - the-goatman

"Why would an all-powerful being whom leaves it up to people to live their own lives and choose their own fate leave very much at all within strict guidelines? If there is a clear cut on "You can _____", "You can't _____" then mankind has basically nothing to leave up to their own judgment and the whole idea of a conscience and having good morals determining one's fate post-death of heaven or hell is tossed completely out the window, then life and judgment day become pointless." - kdfsjljklgjfg

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9625 15

"Yeah it couldnt possibly be because religious debates are never ending, redundant, and never come to a conclusion." - ZekeySpaceyLizard

"What about post count, level, journal posts, writing tone, looks (as found on myspaces and youtubes)?

Should? Justify this please.

Actually... most of those topics degrade into cycles of unaligned arguments that get nowhere. And it's the fault of both sides.

Except most debate ends in both sides feeling strengthened by it. So that's not exactly a probability." - me

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9624 49

"Yes, certain belief systems affect the world in bad ways, but only to me or you. Its all a matter of perspective. Lets take Hitler for example. He believed the Jews, Gypsies, Blacks, etc were inferior to the Aryan race and decided to eliminate them. However, in his eyes and the eyes of other extreme pro-Aryan supporters, his actions were noble and necessary. To everyone else, especially those who had to suffer, his actions were despicable. It's your opinion that his belief system was bad, and a commonly accepted on at that, but there are some people who see Hitler as a holy king or god. To his supporters, he attempted to rid the word of chaos (coexistence of multiple races and people of different religions). The definition of "a better world" is entirely subjective." - Petwoip

"I didn't realize the newgrounds BBS general was a spawning pool for the suffering of society." - me

"Why would we want to know this 'truth'. Were happy the way we are. We got to where we are now by believing. Also, why would you have to take DNA of your dog to prove its an elephant? Looks alone should tell you that your dog is not, in fact, an elephant.
I never said 'your wrong thats not true', what i said was, don't force your opinion on people. And telling us not to 'just believe' is like telling a bird to just not fly. Humans believe in things. Thats what we do. You can't change that.
And if our believing isn't getting us anywhere, why are we on top of the food chain, with houses, computers, cars and so on?
Animals seem to think like you. They just go on with their boring lives not believing in anything. Just living for the sake of living. We chose to believe in something different, hence, we have evolved from that.
If you have the 'desire to know the truth', by all means attempt to find it, but you nevr will, because the great truth's of this world will always be hidden from us.
As for me, i'm happy remaining ignorant, believing what i want, saying what i want, doing what i want. Just being human, as for you Mr.Logical, go take your Logic elsewhere, because mankind doesn't give a hoot." - fohn-jarmery

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9620 74/1

"You make it sound like all people who are members of a religion are total extremists with a "kill the non-believer" mentality. What about all of the people who are inspired to do good things in the name of religion? Or did you just choose to ignore that fact to further your point?" - Straight-Edge

"If Muhammad, God, or Jehova can make me a better man why shouldn't I follow these religions? Because it wouldn't please those who condemn religion? You know for a short time I gave up on my religion and attempted to forcibly convince those who disagreed with my beliefs to embrace disbelief, it was only then I realized what a fascist I had become and that even if I don't believe every detail of a book written thousands of years ago and translated numerous times that I could have some sort of belief without becoming a complete hypocrite." - Reveihca

Seems Sadistic Monkey took over for you.

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9618 71

"Anyway... some things.
1. Religion is more than an answer to creation.
2. Anyone seriously into what they believe is generally not adhereing to pascal's wager.
3. Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately... neither side likes to see it this way.
4. The 50 points in your link can easily be refuted.

And hell... I'm not even religious." - me

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9600 70

"The need for privacy is supplanted by other needs. Are you familiar with Maslow's pyramid? I don't particularly buy into it, but it's a good example of what I'm talking about.

Besides... I thought this was all about enjoyment, not capability. Stop confusing "should" statements with "could" statements.

And you've shown nothing that necessitates a lack of privacy. Does anyone need to be happy?

If then, privacy is one means to achieving happiness, and in most cases is harmless. So, does the relative happiness of 300 million outweigh a tragedy of 20 thousand? How much grief does lack of privacy cause? How much does it actually prevent?

These are all questions that can only be answered with speculation

What you sir, must do, is speculate." - me

"I must admit to having a problem with a messy and expensive bureaucracy that funds itself through wasted laws and wasted money and leaves important documents on trains (link) and would happily sell us all down the river for a tenner in the future knowing all the details about my life and then some.

It's not just the Hitlers who shouldn't have all this information (although they're the only one's who would need it), every method of state control already has enough power. And I fail to see how losing our liberty is going to fight crime or prevent terrorism, or if it's even worth it if it does." - Earfetish

"The issue with giving the government absolute power is that it assumes that all politicians are absolutely unwaveringly ethical. This is not true.

What if the government has something to hide, and somebody finds out about it? Then that person has something to hide, but not because they've done something wrong, but because they know about something that a powerful person has done that's wrong." - Elfer

"What Elfer said; all amendments in the Bill of Rights share the purpose of protecting citizens from abuse by the Federal government. The extend to which paranoia, and not sound logic, in a pe

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Aww it got cut off...

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9600 70

"The need for privacy is supplanted by other needs. Are you familiar with Maslow's pyramid? I don't particularly buy into it, but it's a good example of what I'm talking about.

Besides... I thought this was all about enjoyment, not capability. Stop confusing "should" statements with "could" statements.

And you've shown nothing that necessitates a lack of privacy. Does anyone need to be happy?

If then, privacy is one means to achieving happiness, and in most cases is harmless. So, does the relative happiness of 300 million outweigh a tragedy of 20 thousand? How much grief does lack of privacy cause? How much does it actually prevent?

These are all questions that can only be answered with speculation

What you sir, must do, is speculate." - me

"I must admit to having a problem with a messy and expensive bureaucracy that funds itself through wasted laws and wasted money and leaves important documents on trains (link) and would happily sell us all down the river for a tenner in the future knowing all the details about my life and then some.

It's not just the Hitlers who shouldn't have all this information (although they're the only one's who would need it), every method of state control already has enough power. And I fail to see how losing our liberty is going to fight crime or prevent terrorism, or if it's even worth it if it does." - Earfetish

"The issue with giving the government absolute power is that it assumes that all politicians are absolutely unwaveringly ethical. This is not true.

What if the government has something to hide, and somebody finds out about it? Then that person has something to hide, but not because they've done something wrong, but because they know about something that a powerful person has done that's wrong." - Elfer

"What Elfer said; all amendments in the Bill of Rights share the purpose of protecting citizens from abuse by the Federal government. The extend to which paranoia, and not sound logic, in a period immediately following abusive British, was the inspiration for many of those amendments is debatable. In any case, our founders decided to err on proportioning power to the people rather than to the government." - AdairTishler

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9600 62

"They can show you, but if you're expecting it to convince you, you're in for a disappointment.

Every belief can be cut down to a subjective core. If at this core there is still disagreement, then there is no way to reconcile it. One must agree to disagree.

What can be done however, is an analysis within a given belief, to understand it better. Logic within a belief is usually fairly solid, assuming the person actually knows what they're talking about." - me

"To me I believe that all these religions are correct.

The is one god
There are multiple gods
There is no God

Basically the afterlife and the higher power are on another plane of existance that we can not comprehend. In this plane of existance day and night can not be the same and are very different, but on the other plane of existance, they can be the same and can be not the same. All at the same time.
To try and think of how that would work with a mind from this existance is impossible.

So what ever you believe will happen after death is true for you.

You believe you will be reincarnated, you will be.
You believe that you will be sent to heaven, you will be.

Though there is a certain element that binds all these together. A person that does harm to other and caused pain, pain will be caused onto him.
What comes around goes around, though in this plane of existance it isnt a perfect system. Some times people who do harm to others will live a wonderful life.
And sometimes those who are only kind will live a life of pain.
But over all it works out." - psycho-squirrel

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/6296 07

I'm not particularly up to sifting through this one.

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Some posts you have responded to...

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9624 49

"You realize this is the Newgrounds BBS right?"
"Don't like it? STFU & GTFO."

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9619 29

"</shoo troll>"
"HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW ATHEISM IS A RELIGION? LOLOLOL"
"<in b4 godwar>"
"This thread is flame bait, and trolling is the saddest joke on the Internet."
"you obviously dont realize that so smart so dumb is a troll"
"You are a fucking idiot."
"YOU'RE A FUCKING STUPID TROLL"
"Hmmmmm.... yes. Concur."
"you are so full of crap, you know that right?"
"Hey guys he's black."

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9594 93

"Crap I am not being converted to another goddamn religion, not again!"

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Well its hard to make a constructive reply when the title is so stupid. Not this thread but some other ones i saw.

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At 9/3/08 09:39 PM, ReciprocalAnalogy wrote: I hope the formatting works right...

Why, oh why did you feel the need to bump this topic?

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At 9/3/08 09:43 PM, BlackPlastic wrote: Why, oh why did you feel the need to bump this topic?

Funsies.

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try arguing with a prep, they'll think Wilmer Valterama is there and it's another Episode of "Yo Momma".

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A slacker like me is going to need some motivation to begin such a mentally tedious task of figuring out a good way of proving many different rationalizations wrong. Recip, forgive me if I don't have it done by... the next hour.

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At 8/31/08 06:47 PM, doody1 wrote: The Last two words of your username are relevant to your post.

AHAHAAHAHAA!!!! AAAAAAAHHAHAHAH LOLOLOLOLOLOLZZZZ OMG ROFL!!!!!!!!

your not funny

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At 8/31/08 06:41 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: I beg of you, to forgive me for any implied insults you think I've thrown at you

Don't beg for anything, it just makes you sound like a tool. Also, the NG BBS isn't the most serious of places to have a debate.

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Logic?

wat

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At 9/7/08 05:18 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 8/31/08 06:41 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: I beg of you, to forgive me for any implied insults you think I've thrown at you

Don't beg for anything, it just makes you sound like a tool. Also, the NG BBS isn't the most serious of places to have a debate.

Well, it's going to have the be. Why? Because i'm getting pissed off when people at so pathetic so much so that I would go so far as to "teach them a lesson".

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At 9/7/08 05:22 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 9/7/08 05:18 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: Also, the NG BBS isn't the most serious of places to have a debate.

Well, it's going to have the be. Why? Because i'm getting pissed off when people at so pathetic so much so that I would go so far as to "teach them a lesson".

And they're sure going to listen.

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At 9/7/08 05:22 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: Well, it's going to have the be. Why? Because i'm getting pissed off when people at so pathetic so much so that I would go so far as to "teach them a lesson".

The people who visit this site are here to chill out, watch animations, play games, and talk nonsense on the forums. It's quite simple; most of our users spend all day at school learning shit they don't care about, then they have to do homework, and so when they get on NG it's their time to just relax and not give a shit about anything. Or, there are users like myself who spend all day stacking shelves and putting up with arrogant customers, and after doing that for up to thirtteen hours a day we don't want serious debates about things we're not that interested in either.

Yes, there are certain times where a good debate kicks off about something, but those times are few and far between, and are usually flooded with these immature types you despise. Just ignore them.

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At 9/7/08 05:22 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

At 9/7/08 05:18 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 8/31/08 06:41 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: I beg of you, to forgive me for any implied insults you think I've thrown at you

Don't beg for anything, it just makes you sound like a tool. Also, the NG BBS isn't the most serious of places to have a debate.

Well, it's going to have the be. Why? Because i'm getting pissed off when people at so pathetic so much so that I would go so far as to "teach them a lesson".

Dude, you don't have to prove anything here. What you need to do is take a chill pill, stop being so blunt, and take life easy. Every post you make you try to prove something that no one cares about and strut your hard headed ego all over the place. If you want to actually prove something then you have to do it in a manner that we're mostly content with and if that can't happen, go somewhere else.