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Female woman? Well he certainly wouldn't select a male woman......

At 9/3/08 12:35 AM, blitztactics07 wrote: Well, I think people should make up their minds already, but I strongly feel a Muslim should not be a president of the US for Chrissake, if we don't want another "World Trade Center Affairs" kind of crap.

If I recall correctly, didn't Obama have a problem with his former pastor saying something? And if my mind is working correctly, aren't pastors the heads of churches, not Mosques? And yet again if I recall correctly, aren't churches a Christian thing?

Especially considering how Obama says his church is the United Church of Christ. That doesn't sound really Muslim to me.

And if doesn't matter even if Obama was Muslim. Presidents keep their religions to themselves, and there has not be one POTUS who has forced his religion upon the people. I'd rather have a Muslim with great homeland and foreign policies than a Buddhist (which is my religion) President who supports a failing economic policy. When it comes to politics, I put my preferences aside and vote for the best, and the best is Obama - even if he was gay, Muslim, and Arab.

Hey, Dalaran2007, no offense but the thing with Christians and Muslims, it's just the difference in perspectives, ya know? Well, during the Crusades, each sides fought because their perspectives were different. And each sides killed one another so there is no reason for you to blame this side or that side, they were the same, but I personally think Christians suffered more than Muslims during the Crusades until now.

She's a moronic, religious nutjob.

-She's for teaching of creationism in schools.
-She mindlessly opposes drugs and thinks prohibition is actually logical.
-She's against fucking embryonic stem cell research. Not the ones taken from foetuses. Embry-fucking-onic. This is fucking pathetic.
-She's mindlessly opposed to gay marriage and even civil unions. Fucking hell. And she belives same-sex couples should be exempt from state health benefits.

Don't you people realise how pathetic it is that she's some "Hockey mom" from some small piece of shit town who believes dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago, yet she could be the president?
As in, she could be the one who is at the reigns of the world's largest nuclear arsenal?
As in, she could be the one who has to take on the likes of Putin?

I'm fucking scared.

At 9/9/08 09:18 PM, blitztactics07 wrote: Hey, Dalaran2007, no offense but the thing with Christians and Muslims, it's just the difference in perspectives, ya know? Well, during the Crusades, each sides fought because their perspectives were different. And each sides killed one another so there is no reason for you to blame this side or that side, they were the same, but I personally think Christians suffered more than Muslims during the Crusades until now.

Actually:

Under Muslim rule in the Middle East, Jews and the various non-Papal Christians who lived in the Holy Land enjoyed freedom and what amounted to equality under the law. Now there was a tax they had to pay if they did not convert to Islam. But considering the time, paying a tax is a whole lot better than being killed.

Now when the crusaders swept into the Holy Land they killed everyone. Muslims because they are not Christians. Jews because they killed Christ. And the local Christians because they were heretics. Then there is the whole thing about the Crusades being about money rather than religion...

Furthermore, until the Enlightenment the Islamic empire is what saved Western Civilization. See while the Europeans were burning manuscripts of the Romans and Greeks as pagan and evil...the Persians had manuscripts of Plato and Cicero sent to Tehran for study.

So sorry my friend, the argument about Christians suffering just kinda falls flat.

At 9/11/08 05:10 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

-She mindlessly opposes ...
-She's mindlessly opposed ...

Don't you people realise how pathetic it is that she's some "Hockey mom" from some small piece of shit town who believes dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago, yet she could be the president?
As in, she could be the one who is at the reigns of the world's largest nuclear arsenal?
As in, she could be the one who has to take on the likes of Putin?

I'm fucking scared.

1) In all seriousness, one of the reasons I'm being pushed towards voting McCain/Palin is because of the mindlessness of the Obama supporters I see. You talk about mindlessness. I have not seen more stereotypically kneejerk voters in my life. When Palin was named I know people who tore into her without knowing anything about her. I mean you present reasons and that's fine...but I was around ppl who didn't care to even know why they were saying McCain was a retard for picking her. The one thing I find funny about the Zobamas (the Z stands for zombie); is they say McCain 1 will be Bush 3. But on the economy Obama 1 will be Bush 3.

2) As for the emotional argument about controlling nukes; if Palin scares you then think about who is at the head of the Democratic ticket. Hate to break it to all the Zobamas...but a community organizer is in the same league as Palin's PTA and Mayoral experience. Furthermore, you talk about religious nutjobery; Obama appears to have it in his head that he has been sent to this life to save us from ourselves. Basically Bush with a messiah complex. Add to this that his entire political career has been through the infamously corrupt Chicago Democratic machine... While his dealings with Tony Rezko have not lead to an indictment...it still smells (kinda like old fish). Then he did legal work for ACORN which has had numerous scandals involving voter fraud. You have a candidate who believes in the sanctity of his politics combined with a political upbringing that just smells of corruption. What this tells me is that in his mind he can justify anything. And these are the most dangerous politicians...especially when were talking about the US nuclear arsenal.

Mccain has officially resigned from the race and is only draging on in the hopes Obama is assassinated, picking an unqualified women should anger women, not trigger them into pmsing republican bitches.

This is what Mccain tells women by picking this chick. This woman is less qualified to be vice rpesident than Obama has to be King of the world, but vote for me like you were going to vote for Hillary because they both have a vagina, and if you don't you're a dishwashing bitch who is sexist to her own gender, go stick some tampons up your ass.

Again this isn't what I think but its what comes to mind what Mccain thought when he chose palin, lol.

At 9/11/08 05:10 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: She's a moronic, religious nutjob.

-She's for teaching of creationism in schools.
-She mindlessly opposes drugs and thinks prohibition is actually logical.
-She's against fucking embryonic stem cell research. Not the ones taken from foetuses. Embry-fucking-onic. This is fucking pathetic.
-She's mindlessly opposed to gay marriage and even civil unions. Fucking hell. And she belives same-sex couples should be exempt from state health benefits.

Don't you people realise how pathetic it is that she's some "Hockey mom" from some small piece of shit town who believes dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago, yet she could be the president?
As in, she could be the one who is at the reigns of the world's largest nuclear arsenal?
As in, she could be the one who has to take on the likes of Putin?

I'm fucking scared.

That is the kind of talk that will get people to vote for her dude, makes me wonder if you're just talking shit lol.
Also, Palin's stuff would be great if she actually meant any of them,(fuck you atheists), so it doesn't matter anyway, Obama will win n shit will be better.

At 9/11/08 10:45 AM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: ..., Obama will win n shit will be better.

You know if you followed your conspiratorial beliefs to their logical conclusion you would not be saying this. A true conspiracy believer would know that this race was over when the Bilderberg group met in Canada.

But anyway, Obama will not make anything better. He's going to continue the same fucked-up economic policies of Bush...only he's going to raise taxes to pay for bigger government (which admitedly is rational). He gets to keep the expanded executive power that Bush pushed...while not having to pay the price of creating the policy. And he's going to keep us in Iraq given that things are getting better.

So if Obama wins the only change is going to be the suit in the White House will be worn by a Democrat.

I'm actually supporting McCain now, it's just I think that Palin was an irresponsible choice.

I'm not saying it's scary compared to Obama, but rather McCain really should have picked someone else like Romney.

At 9/11/08 05:27 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: I'm actually supporting McCain now, it's just I think that Palin was an irresponsible choice.

I'm not saying it's scary compared to Obama, but rather McCain really should have picked someone else like Romney.

You don't understand US politics as much as you think you do.

McCain is a Republican but he doesn't have a very good relationship with the Republican base because he has broken from them several times in policy matters. The Republican base is predominately made up of Christian conservative southern/rural Republicans who are consistently to the right on every issue. They don't consider McCain to be one of them.

By himself and/or with someone who doesn't have the kind of conservative appeal Palin has, McCain's presidency wouldn't excite and mobilize the base. That's where Palin comes in after all, she gives the base a collective boner, policy-wise. Mix that in with the fact that McCain is trying to get a larger chunk of the female vote, including the women who were previously going to vote for Hillary Clinton, and it's pretty logical that he chose her.

Obama chose Biden for the same thing, he needed to fortify the appeal of the ticket by making up for something he lacks, experience. Whereas McCain contradicted his accusation against Bbama for lack of experience, by choosing an inexperienced running mate. Obama contradicted his accusation against McCain for lack of judgment, specifically about the Iraq war, by voting for Joe Biden. Funny thing about Joe Biden is that he voted for the Iraq war... which is one of the biggest sources of ammunition against McCain used by Obama.. Obama has bashed McCain because he supposedly lacked the judgment to oppose the war from the beginning as he did.

- Obama was arguing that judgment is better than experience, and contradicted it by choosing Biden.
- McCain was arguing that experience outweighs appeal and appearance, and contradicted that by choosing Palin.

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Now, I personally think that Romney would have been a better choice for McCain because of his experience, both in government and in business. However, Romney is Mormon. Most Bible-belt religions don't consider Mormons to be Christian, they don't trust Mormons or identify with them even though Mormons share most of the conservative values they do. Romney is also reminiscent of an eastern liberal in appearance and demeanor. He's a rich, successful urban Republican, he's taken a few liberal stances before and so forth as well. A lot of conservative Christians didn't like him at all.

If Romney was McCain's running mate, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have seen that huge jump in the polls McCain got right after he announced that Plain was his VP choice. If McCain and Palin win though, I wouldn't be surprised at all if McCain nominates or appoints Romney to an economic position of some sort.

If the Obama-Biden ticket wins, it's obvious that Romney will run again for the Republican nomination in 2012.

At 9/11/08 08:27 AM, TheMason wrote: Furthermore, until the Enlightenment the Islamic empire is what saved Western Civilization. See while the Europeans were burning manuscripts of the Romans and Greeks as pagan and evil...the Persians had manuscripts of Plato and Cicero sent to Tehran for study.

Finally, someone acknowledges Islamic contribution to Western civilisation but you'll never hear that in school, with its emphasis on Eurocentrism.

At 9/11/08 05:10 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: She's a moronic, religious nutjob.

Hey SM, have mercy on her! After all, as VP, she'll have to travel to other countries and her fear is that she might fall off the edge of the earth.

At 9/11/08 05:10 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: She's a moronic, religious nutjob.

I'm fucking scared.

I'm fucking scared of Obama. I'd rather have a moronic, religious nutjob who believes in a Messiah rather than an arrogant, empty suit who believes he IS a Messiah.

I watched Obama Revealed and two things jumped out at me that makes him appear arrogant to the point of being delusional:
1) He was stunned when he lost his first race for federal office. Afterall, he thought he was the perfect man for the job and had all the answers. Why didn't anyone else see he can turn water into wine and feed the multitudes.

2) In 2000 he went to the Democratic National Convention as a first term State Senator...thinking he could get access to the Convention Floor and press flesh with party elites. WTF? He was a fucking one-term STATE senator! In most states mayors have more clout than state senators! (Yes I know...the city has to be bigger than Wasila.) Every politician is arrogant to some degree or another, you have to be just a little arrogant to really think you're good enough to represent or make decisions for citizens. However, I'm starting to see a pattern with Obama that he is outside normal limits. Furthermore, given that he's from the party who thinks government can solve people's problems (even more than Bush)...this scares the hell out of me.

3) His supporters carry on this Messianic trend blatantly. When he was in Europe I heard an Englishman gushing over Obama and actually say: "I now have a new Messiah." Yesterday in congress a Democratic supporter speaking from the floor actually said that Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilot was a governor. Wow! If McCain was smart he'd run ads with Obama's supporters acting like cult members.

Yeah...I'm fucking scared. If I were a religious nutjob...I'd say he's the Antichrist.

At 8/29/08 11:43 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: Sounds like we can't keep the women and the blacks in their respective fields (kitchens).

Before you know it we'll have a black woman running foreign affairs.

I burst out laughing reading this shit!

...and one more for the road, "female women."

I'll just leave this here.

At 9/13/08 10:07 PM, Twerpo wrote: I'll just leave this here.

Oh, well shit.

Picking Palin was a brilliant move, and it moved McCain, more or less, 9 points up in national polls. Let's see how picking Palin benefits McCain:

1. He gets all of the bitter middle aged women who supported Hillary Clinton so fanatically.

2. Palin is shielded from any criticism because she's so similar to Obama. If any Democrat's go after Palin, they can call them sexists and hypocrites, and weaken the Obama brand.

3. McCain is shielded from attacks that his campaign lacks diversity.

4. McCain gets a short momentum boost that will prevent Obama from building a huge lead in funding before the election.

What's starting to scare me now is that the Republicans are too good at politics. While I myself am a somewhat conservative Republican, I think that both parties should always risk losing their power if they're incompetent or make bad choices. But today it seems like the Republicans could literally do anything and still win the election, just because they're so much better at politics.

At 9/12/08 10:47 AM, TheMason wrote:

I'm fucking scared of Obama. I'd rather have a moronic, religious nutjob who believes in a Messiah rather than an arrogant, empty suit who believes he IS a Messiah.

I will admit that Obama errs on the arrogant side, but I don't see what's so scary about that. If he really starts going crazy we can give the Republicans the congress in a couple of years, and everything will balance out.

1) He was stunned when he lost his first race for federal office. Afterall, he thought he was the perfect man for the job and had all the answers. Why didn't anyone else see he can turn water into wine and feed the multitudes.

I've left debates feeling like I was going to pull off an amazing upset, even though I knew that my team was the eighteenth seed and we were going up against a nationally ranked team. I mean, it was of course quite sobering to see how much we lost by in the scoreboard. I had logically known the entire time that we would lose, but when I was caught up in the moment I just sort of felt like we would win.

I think that Obama probably knew in his mind that he was going to lose, but that the pure adrenaline and heat of the competition made him sort of ignorant to the fact.

2) In 2000 he went to the Democratic National Convention as a first term State Senator...thinking he could get access to the Convention Floor and press flesh with party elites. WTF? He was a fucking one-term STATE senator! In most states mayors have more clout than state senators! (Yes I know...the city has to be bigger than Wasila.) Every politician is arrogant to some degree or another, you have to be just a little arrogant to really think you're good enough to represent or make decisions for citizens. However, I'm starting to see a pattern with Obama that he is outside normal limits. Furthermore, given that he's from the party who thinks government can solve people's problems (even more than Bush)...this scares the hell out of me.

I wouldn't be surprised if ALL young senators came into office with that sort of mindset.

And I can sort of relate to that. Two weeks ago, I went to college for the first time, and I had a lot of great ideas about starting a great debate team that would go to its first debate and beat Harvard and MIT. Obviously that won't happen, but that's just sort of the way people think when they start something new.

3) His supporters carry on this Messianic trend blatantly. When he was in Europe I heard an Englishman gushing over Obama and actually say: "I now have a new Messiah." Yesterday in congress a Democratic supporter speaking from the floor actually said that Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilot was a governor. Wow! If McCain was smart he'd run ads with Obama's supporters acting like cult members.

A lot of his ads already do that.

Yeah...I'm fucking scared. If I were a religious nutjob...I'd say he's the Antichrist.

Well, I support Obama at this point. Some of his ideas I find questionable, but I can't really tolerate the idea of giving the Republicans another 4 years in the white house, given their sheer incompetence and tax-and-borrow nonsense.

And it's not like we're giving Obama a mandate to be Emperor of the Universe. If he turns out to be a complete fuck up we can, you know, vote in a congress that opposes him to make him a lame duck.

At 9/13/08 10:07 PM, Twerpo wrote: I'll just leave this here.

Well, that's a nice little irrelevant turd.

I challenge you to find any politician or business owner who doesn't do that very thing.

At 9/13/08 10:45 PM, Al6200 wrote: Let's see how picking Palin benefits McCain:
1. He gets all of the bitter middle aged women who supported Hillary Clinton so fanatically.

Only the ones whose only care is that a vagina is on the ticket (which is, saddeningly, a lot, it would seem), because her views don't really line up with most of that demographic.

2. Palin is shielded from any criticism because she's so similar to Obama. If any Democrat's go after Palin, they can call them sexists and hypocrites, and weaken the Obama brand.

She also weakens McCain's "experience" position. And as long as the Dems keep to issues, that'll be limited. Then again, the Reps can always make a fuss over nothing (goes oink, has kissable chops, etc).

3. McCain is shielded from attacks that his campaign lacks diversity.

Point... though I don't think that argument had yet been made... though it certainly could have once an all white male ticket had been chosen... though that's one of those slights that would have come on the down-low, as far away from Obama as possible... cuz McCain could always counter with "ZOMG Race Card!"

4. McCain gets a short momentum boost that will prevent Obama from building a huge lead in funding before the election.

True, but Obama's already so far ahead, it might not matter.

At 9/11/08 08:06 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: stuff

Well obviously form a campaign perspective, Palin can be seen as a good pick.

But that's not what I was arguing.

I said she would make a terrible leader, compared to the many other possible VPs McCain could have selected.

At 9/13/08 10:45 PM, Al6200 wrote:

At 9/12/08 10:47 AM, TheMason wrote:

I'm fucking scared of Obama. I'd rather have a moronic, religious nutjob who believes in a Messiah rather than an arrogant, empty suit who believes he IS a Messiah.

I will admit that Obama errs on the arrogant side, but I don't see what's so scary about that. If he really starts going crazy we can give the Republicans the congress in a couple of years, and everything will balance out.

1) He was stunned when he lost his first race for federal office. Afterall, he thought he was the perfect man for the job and had all the answers. Why didn't anyone else see he can turn water into wine and feed the multitudes.

I think that Obama probably knew in his mind that he was going to lose, but that the pure adrenaline and heat of the competition made him sort of ignorant to the fact.

2) In 2000 he went to the Democratic National Convention as a first term State Senator...thinking he could get access to the Convention Floor and press flesh with party elites. WTF? He was a fucking one-term STATE senator! In most states mayors have more clout than state senators! (Yes I know...the city has to be bigger than Wasila.) Every politician is arrogant to some degree or another, you have to be just a little arrogant to really think you're good enough to represent or make decisions for citizens. However, I'm starting to see a pattern with Obama that he is outside normal limits. Furthermore, given that he's from the party who thinks government can solve people's problems (even more than Bush)...this scares the hell out of me.

I wouldn't be surprised if ALL young senators came into office with that sort of mindset.

1) As for his first federal office candidacy, several of his friends were talking (on CNN's Obama Revealed) about how stunned he was that lost. The reason: he knew how to fix everything...and why couldn't people see that? You add that to some of his comments on foreign policy...you see someone who thinks he is so smart that even when he talking about an issue that is outside of his experience and knowledge level; that he has the answer. He is naively arrogant. Kind of reminds of Nero in some regards.

2) We're not talking about a new senator but rather one who had been in the Illinois state senate for about three years in 2000 who had lost a bid for federal office. To think that he could just waltz onto the convention floor and start pressing flesh with the party elite...is more than a little delusional. Hell I knew that at 20 when I was in College Republicans.

Well, I support Obama at this point. Some of his ideas I find questionable, but I can't really tolerate the idea of giving the Republicans another 4 years in the white house, given their sheer incompetence and tax-and-borrow nonsense.

And it's not like we're giving Obama a mandate to be Emperor of the Universe. If he turns out to be a complete fuck up we can, you know, vote in a congress that opposes him to make him a lame duck.

See I find this logic to be illogical. Bush's economic policy is closer to that of the Democrats than of Republicans. To draw a historical parallel: in 1932 FDR ran against Hoover (the Republican incumbent). FDR talked about the economy and how Hoover's policies were responsible for the misery of so many Americans. In fact he called Hoover's plans "socialist". On this platform of change, FDR continued Hoover's policy ideas.

I see the same thing happening in 2008. Obama talks about change...but delivers a Bush 3 presidency.

I for one am voting for McCain. However, I am also voting for a Democrat for my congressman. Why? I think our government wooks best when the Republicans control either the Executive or Legilsative branch and the Democrats control the other.

At 9/14/08 03:22 AM, TheMason wrote:

I for one am voting for McCain. However, I am also voting for a Democrat for my congressman. Why? I think our government wooks best when the Republicans control either the Executive or Legilsative branch and the Democrats control the other.

Well duh, little gets done when that happens. The more vetos, the less government control, and the better our economy (usually) runs.

Obama didn't choose biden to win the race. If Obama wanted to just win, he'd choose hillary. McCain clearly chose the candidate that'd win him the race, not even thinking on who would be the BEST back-up and consultant for himself.

Yes, I personally think that a Democratic president a Republican congress is a good combination. Let's not forget that the best growth during the Clinton years came when Clinton was opposed by Gingrich in the House. And Gingrich got a lot of good things done.

While I do understand your comment that Obama will be Bush III, it seems like the people in charge of the Republican party will be thinking "People must've liked Bush, let's run more candidates like him".

At 9/14/08 09:41 AM, Al6200 wrote: Yes, I personally think that a Democratic president a Republican congress is a good combination. Let's not forget that the best growth during the Clinton years came when Clinton was opposed by Gingrich in the House. And Gingrich got a lot of good things done.

I think it works either way. In the 1980s you had Reagan and a Democratic congress. Right before that you had Carter + His party control of congress = Misery Index. Now you have Bush + His party control of congress = Massive deficits.

While I do understand your comment that Obama will be Bush III, it seems like the people in charge of the Republican party will be thinking "People must've liked Bush, let's run more candidates like him".

I don't see that. They know that there is Bush fatigue in this country. Look at the voting records of the various senators. The Republicans are not lock-step with Bush. In the current senate the average Democrat votes with his party 93% of the time (Obama: 96%, Biden: 96.6%). The average Republican votes with her party 85% of the time (McCain: 88.3%). Regardless of his primary posturing, you cannot ignore the fact that McCain has opposed Bush on major issues such as torture and the environment.

Finally, I think there is a clear correlation that single party rule in the US leads us to economic woe and budgetary mismanagement. If you agree with this proposition (as you implied), then casting a vote for Obama when a Democratic congress is assured...then there is an inconsistency.

Oh yeah AI,

I forgot to post my source: The votes database of The Washington Post.

I plugged the percentages into excel and did an average there...which differs from the source's averages.

At 9/14/08 12:01 AM, Ravariel wrote:

At 9/13/08 10:07 PM, Twerpo wrote: I'll just leave this here.

Well, that's a nice little irrelevant turd.

I challenge you to find any politician or business owner who doesn't do that very thing.

So your saying that every politician blindly lets their personal life affect their work. It's obvious she's rampantly corrupt and despite what her party may believes in, thinks the government should dabble in the personal lives of everyone. She's authoritarian, and obviously corrupt.

At 9/14/08 02:47 PM, TheMason wrote:
I don't see that. They know that there is Bush fatigue in this country. Look at the voting records of the various senators. The Republicans are not lock-step with Bush. In the current senate the average Democrat votes with his party 93% of the time (Obama: 96%, Biden: 96.6%). The average Republican votes with her party 85% of the time (McCain: 88.3%). Regardless of his primary posturing, you cannot ignore the fact that McCain has opposed Bush on major issues such as torture and the environment.

He did disagree with Bush on those things but now he is in lockstep with Bush. Torture, he supports it and called the Guantanamo ruling one of the worst things he has heard. The environment, he supports drill, drill,drill like Bush.

It'd be such a crackup if Mccain gets elected then croaks like the first year in office and we get president Palin, would the world end? no, but the advisors would be running the show lock stock and barrel that's for sure,