Forum Topic: New Daw Pc? Amd64 Or P4?

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B0UNC3

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Posted at: 8/22/08 02:09 PM

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Okay, first off...I don't want anything for GAMERS. And I'm no CPU wiz so bear with me....

Hi, some of you may know me and some of you may not, but anyway... I'm going to massively upgrade my BFAMPC (B0UNC3's Friggin' Awful Music PC) with 4 GB DDR2-3 RAM
The RAM is clocked at 1300Mhz (1.3Ghz) bus speed so I'm pretty certain they'll be extremely much better than my current stoneage PC2100 DDR's.

I'm also getting a brandnew motherboard and CPU. But since both have to match each other I'm kinda struggling on which kind of processor/MB would have the most raw power when it comes to music production and heavy VST(i) utilizing.
I'm torn between Intel P4 CPU's or AMD Athlon 64 CPU's.

Help? Opinions? Suggestions?

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(DUAL is a MUST, Quad isn't necessary since I don't even think Cubase 4 uses 4 cores fully/at all).

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Posted at: 8/22/08 02:22 PM

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Hey man. From what I've experienced, Pentium has always outperformed amd. and has less hiccups.

I've operated on both and I prefer the speed boost and less crashing that occurs with my pentium.

amd doesn't crash often by any means but I've lost a song or two. The only problems I've had with my Pentium are using to many vst's :D

granted my Pentium is a 1.86 gh celeron mobile processor. the dual core and quad cores seriously outperform my processor, which is 4 years old.


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B0UNC3

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Posted at: 8/22/08 02:28 PM

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Maybe I should look at Intel Core 2 Duo then instead of P4?


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Posted at: 8/22/08 02:35 PM

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Yes, Core 2 Duo's are amazingly fast, especially for multitasking. Even though you say you don't want something for gamers, if you've got cash a high end cpu will greatly improve your performance. But if not, even the lower end Core 2's provide great performance for the buck. Don't get a P4 or old Athlon 64 model, the are slow and it will show when using the more advance functions of some of the higher quality music programs out there.


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B0UNC3

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Sorry for DP, but the reason I asked was that I did a google search before I asked but each and every site went with EITHER Intel OR AMD. That's what fucks my mind up.


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Wow, sorry for double post, didn't realize it was BOUNC3 that was asking xD.

Here is a fairly cheap Core 2, Socket 775 2.60 ghz. You need to have a heatsink though. Your old one should work.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/
SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=38973 38

It is a 65nm chip, if you have a bad or small heatsink for your processor you might wanna consider getting a new one.


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Posted at: 8/22/08 02:45 PM

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I've used computers with Intel processors since I was 12 and always thought, with bias, that Intel was better than AMD. I just bought a laptop with an AMD Turion 2.0GHZ Dual Core processor and it runs great. So far, I haven't experienced any problems. Two of my uncles work in information technology and they both say you won't really notice the difference depending on what you're gonna do. I use FL and I've never used all my CPU with huge projects. I can run CS Source with medium graphics at 80 FPS (granted, I have a decent GFX card and RAM, but processor still matters). In the end, it depends on how much you can afford really. If you can afford an Intel, go for it. If you really can't, AMD is still a nice choice.


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I've got a good 2000 euros to spend. I'll check the links out later when I get back home :D
Thanks for everything so far


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At 8/22/08 02:48 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: I've got a good 2000 euros to spend. I'll check the links out later when I get back home :D
Thanks for everything so far

Buy me some new 1200 dollar speakers, then you'll have 800 euros to spend 8D. It will make selection easier xD

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At 8/22/08 03:40 PM, Envy wrote:
At 8/22/08 02:48 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: I've got a good 2000 euros to spend. I'll check the links out later when I get back home :D
Thanks for everything so far
Buy me some new 1200 dollar speakers, then you'll have 800 euros to spend 8D. It will make selection easier xD

Actually, he'd still have 1,187.70 euros to spend :P

Go for a Pentium then.


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B0UNC3 you wanna make sure that the motherboard you get is compatible with your ram too...

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Not to sound completely crazy here.. but the Mac Pro is actualy pretty good. I've never had the chance to use one - but damn, those things have power. And you can run Logic Pro on them too.

You will lol, and you will like it.

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AMD IS FAR cheaper then Intel's lines of CPUs, but a little bit of a Performance loss. Being in the computer industry for 12 years, its always been a trend really. AMD Was the best performing CPUs back when they had the 386, then for a little while Intel released the Pentium 1 back in about 93, Intel then plummeted with there P2's, AMD was the speed king untill Intel released the Intel Duo's. Regarding the lil history jump, it dont matter for what CPU, AMD has MUCH better memory support then Intel. AMD has a HT Link, basically its a direct link to where as Intel has to process the information before its loaded or read from memory. first with The CPU, then the Northbridge then back to the CPU then to memory.

So, what im trying to get at is that It won't matter what CPU you get, as long as its in the performance range of this era of technology. If you where to buy lets say an AMD Athlon X2 6000+ to a Intel Core 2 Duo quad 6700, sure it maybe FASTER, but still will perform just as well as the AMD X2, its not rather the manufacture that important, its more of market battles. Like AMDs TL line of CPUs will litteraly shit all over the P4, and mean while AMD is only running at 1.8 Ghz and the P4 at 3.0 Ghz range. I'll give a pro and con:

AMD: PRO- FAR DIRT CHEAP for same performance, better support on Mobo and Ram, less power/heat. Con: Lower L2 Cache then intel, FL FAVORS the cpu Cache.

Intel: PRO- Faster.... (so it states),kick ass for gaming (for now), Larger L2 Cache, quad cores, low wattage.. Con: Expensive, Ram support, Intel seems to still have issues with multi cores and software.

Overall, if you have the cash, and are willing to spend big bucks, go with Intel, but if you where smart and want to keep food on your table. you can get the same thing for cheaper and still get a nice PC with AMD. Im an intel fan, but im just an honest man. Hope it helps.


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Bumped coz I'm still kinda clueless. Everyone says different things


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ok bounce, here's what i think. as a preface, though, a good site to find relatively cheap parts for computers if you dont know where to look first is techbargains.com. some decent online stores are newegg and zip zoom fly. a good real-life store in some parts of the US is microcenter--they come out with good deals routinely. i dont know of much others, though.

At 8/22/08 02:09 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: Okay, first off...I don't want anything for GAMERS. And I'm no CPU wiz so bear with me....

party pooper.

Hi, some of you may know me and some of you may not, but anyway... I'm going to massively upgrade my BFAMPC (B0UNC3's Friggin' Awful Music PC) with 4 GB DDR2-3 RAM
The RAM is clocked at 1300Mhz (1.3Ghz) bus speed so I'm pretty certain they'll be extremely much better than my current stoneage PC2100 DDR's.

das is good. 4 gigs ddr2 ram at that speed is pretty much more than enough for most applications nowadays [unless you are a benchmarking whore, which i know you arent lol]--i dont see that figure going out of style for at least several years. 1333 speed is pretty good, i think that two good brands to look at for that kind of product are OCZ and Corsair if you havent bought it yet, not to suggest that others suck.

I'm also getting a brandnew motherboard and CPU. But since both have to match each other I'm kinda struggling on which kind of processor/MB would have the most raw power when it comes to music production and heavy VST(i) utilizing.
I'm torn between Intel P4 CPU's or AMD Athlon 64 CPU's.

by no means should you use p4 now. unless you were asking this a few years ago lol. go for a dual core, i prefer intel right now since they seem to have caught up wiht AMD in terms of performance [much more efficient than in earlier eras] and you can get them relatively cheaply, but in the end, this is a matter of your own opinion. try looking at websites like arstechnica or anandtech for some detailed advice on that. quad core is overkill at this point, i think. same goes for multiple processors, unless you are awesome like that.

things to note: clock speed isn't everything. note the cache and do some research on the chipset first [if its conroe... wolfdale... etc]

in terms of specific models, i run a non-overclocked Intel E6600, and it definately holds up consistently with heavy use in reason, but more professional stuff and multiple programs probably would cause more strain on your processor than what im doing [especially sicne i built my rig 2 years ago], so you might want to go for something like an E8500, or a cheaper but more modest E7300. keep in mind you may want to get stuff to cool it better than the stock cooling that comes in the package, so look into some combo heatsink+fans, or individual parts along with thermal paste [like arctic silver, but many heatsinks come with their own paste]. if your recording stuff at your computer, though, be careful about how powerful a fan you ask for, since they could be noisy.

then you need to look at motherboards - make sure its compatible with your cpu, ram, etc. i personally like ASUS and Gigabyte brands--im using hte Asus P5B deluxe, which might be a little old now, but made assembly a ton easier with easy wiring, along with a pretty functional bios and drivers easy to get/install.

heres a good article as a guide--youd probably want to take a look at the "Hot rod" section. it should pretty much explain all the parts you need and how to judge them.

Help? Opinions? Suggestions?

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yeah, you should probably have a good one of these lol

Graphic card...Fixed

no games... oh my god!

AC...Fixed

if you have a 750W PSU , you should be purty much fine. power is direceted to several rails, but thats a relatively large number and i dont think your doing anything extreme, so you should be okay.

Chassi...Fixed (My old one wouldn't fit my 750W AC haha)

you mean chassis? :)


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At 8/22/08 02:45 PM, GronmonSE wrote: I can run CS Source with medium graphics at 80 FPS

CS Source with fully maxed graphics at 250 fps.... muahhahaha [granted, i got a sweet graphics card lol. i can thank my friend for selling me a geforce 8800 gtx for $100.... such a good deal.]


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At 8/23/08 05:52 PM, p4c wrote:
At 8/22/08 02:09 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: Okay, first off...I don't want anything for GAMERS. And I'm no CPU wiz so bear with me....
party pooper.

I love y-

:CS Source with fully maxed graphics at 250 fps.... muahhahaha [granted, i got a sweet graphics card lol. i can thank my friend for selling me a geforce 8800 gtx for $100.... such a good deal.]

Wait no, I hate you ):


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I run Athlon 64x2 clocked at 1.84 with 1 Gig RAm and only get slowdown when I load exceedingly memory intensive VST's (Read: Massive and the like), otherwise I can run quite a few channels, tons of FX and automation, etc. through FL which is well known to have more memory leakage issues than some of the other sequencers. I think any of the dual core chipsets and MB's with as much RAM as you'll be pushing will be a good choice, but if I had to do it all over again, I'd choose the IBM chipset instead of AMD. AMD's get just a bit hotter and lockup just a bit faster in most industry benchtests, so their dependability is lower. But really, get what you feel more comfortable with because AMD is no longer just a cheap alternative to IBM.


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IMHO wait for Intel's new chip coming out later this year. Gonna be fucking amazing.

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I don't think this is important enough to make a new thread, but I decided on which CPU and mothgerboard I'll get now.

Is there any noticeable differences between running FL studio 6-8 and/or Cubase SX 3-4 on a 32 vs 64 bit OS?

Is it true that only Windows Vista supports 4 GB Ram?


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At 8/28/08 06:02 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: I don't think this is important enough to make a new thread, but I decided on which CPU and mothgerboard I'll get now.

Is there any noticeable differences between running FL studio 6-8 and/or Cubase SX 3-4 on a 32 vs 64 bit OS?

Is it true that only Windows Vista supports 4 GB Ram?

the 64-bit OS will support more than 4 gig of ram. Both XP 64 bit and Vista 64 bit can support far more RAM than you could ever currently throw at it, but Vista 32 bit and XP 32 bit will cap it at 4 GB. The actual cap for XP is even less- about 3.5 gig - more than that and you'll start to get strange bugs and errors happening with your system.

I've got Cubase 4 64 bit running on Vista 64 with no problems. I had to go with the 64 bit because when I built my current computer I wanted 8 GB of ram for samples, and I'm having no regrets with the decision. Vista isn't nearly as problematic as it used to be. Most people bashing it today are just going with the trend and haven't actually given it a shot.


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