Democrats want Hilary now!

[TheKlown]

:) Obama's inexperience showed up in the debate against Mccain when he couldn't even answer most of the questions. I seen Democratic female surpporters backing Hilary now claiming that Obama is too inexperienced, and that they should vote for her over Obama in the convention. The democrats aren't even one yet, they still are fighting about there canidate?

It seems from the clip of Hillary speaking to her supporter that she wants a vote for Hillary at the convention. Uncle Bob(bob beckel) was on fox this morning and when questioned about it seemed very worried and nervious. There is absolutly no question that this is dividing and boiling within the democratic party. What many thought was a burying of the hatchet between Obama and Hillary, seems to be just a laying down of the hatchet, to be picked up by Hillary.

To be honest I can care less what happens in the dem party, but Hillary did get a raw turn from her own party. In stead of sticking behind Hillary they two timed her with Obama. The democratic party allowed Moveon, Sorros, and the left wing media to decide their canidate. Just like Moveon said "we own the democratic party". I don't know who the police of Politics are but the amount of corruption within the democratic party is not only obvious, but insults the intelligence of ordinary people. I mean come on 26,000 dollars given to the Obama campaign from Hammas. Then the Obama campaign intentionially tries to hide it, and is caught doing it. What about the huge amount of campaign donation to Hillary, from Asian dish washers in New York. It is amazing the amount of unimpeded corruption within this party.

Well as I was saying, Hillary is trying to hang on with hopes of making a glory moment at the convention. The fact is, Hillary as well as many within the democratic party, do not feel like Obama has the experience to handle the overwhelming issues that are bound to face the next President. So all you republicans and Conservatives get your popcorn and tivo ready for Convention night.

[TheKlown]

I borrowed or stole this information from this website.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php ?t=776411

Didn't want to take credit for something I didn't type... ;)

[aninjaman]

This is bullshit. The majority of Democrats voted for Obama and he has won the primaries. HHillary will not get a nomination. This is Bullshit fox news trying to make the Dems look weak and fractured.

[Al6200]

If the democrats want Hillary why did they vote for Obama?

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[TheKlown]

At 8/19/08 02:39 PM, Al6200 wrote: If the democrats want Hillary why did they vote for Obama?

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That was in the primaries and he barely won that that was a close race

[Al6200]

At 8/19/08 02:45 PM, TheKlown wrote:

That was in the primaries and he barely won that that was a close race

But if the majority of the voters preferred Clinton then she would've won more votes than Obama. I don't see why you're trying to making it any more complicated than that.

[n64kid]

I thought Clinton won popular vote, but Obama ended up with more delegates, partly due to Michigan and Florida.

[Al6200]

At 8/19/08 04:11 PM, n64kid wrote: I thought Clinton won popular vote, but Obama ended up with more delegates, partly due to Michigan and Florida.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/
2008/president/democratic_vote_count.htm l

Obama won the popular vote, but it's estimated that Clinton would've won the popular vote had Michigan held a contest.

[n64kid]

At 8/19/08 04:27 PM, Al6200 wrote:

At 8/19/08 04:11 PM, n64kid wrote: I thought Clinton won popular vote, but Obama ended up with more delegates, partly due to Michigan and Florida.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/
2008/president/democratic_vote_count.htm l

Obama won the popular vote, but it's estimated that Clinton would've won the popular vote had Michigan held a contest.

Michigan did hold a contest, Obama pulled his name off the ballot.

Popular Vote (w/MI)** 17,535,458 47.4% 17,822,145 48.1% Clinton +286,687 +0.8%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,869,542 47.4% 18,046,007 47.9% Clinton +176,465 +0.5%

[aninjaman]

At 8/19/08 05:00 PM, n64kid wrote:

At 8/19/08 04:27 PM, Al6200 wrote:

At 8/19/08 04:11 PM, n64kid wrote: I thought Clinton won popular vote, but Obama ended up with more delegates, partly due to Michigan and Florida.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/
2008/president/democratic_vote_count.htm l

Obama won the popular vote, but it's estimated that Clinton would've won the popular vote had Michigan held a contest.

Michigan did hold a contest, Obama pulled his name off the ballot.

Popular Vote (w/MI)** 17,535,458 47.4% 17,822,145 48.1% Clinton +286,687 +0.8%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,869,542 47.4% 18,046,007 47.9% Clinton +176,465 +0.5%

Acually what happened was that Michigan was stripped of delegates for holding its contest early and all the candidates agreed to withdraw their names from the ballot and they did except for clinton so obviously clinton being the only one that campaigned and had their name the ballot she won. Also even with Michigan and Florida's delegates Obama would have won.

[n64kid]

At 8/19/08 05:03 PM, aninjaman wrote:

Acually what happened was that Michigan was stripped of delegates for holding its contest early and all the candidates agreed to withdraw their names from the ballot and they did except for clinton so obviously clinton being the only one that campaigned and had their name the ballot she won. Also even with Michigan and Florida's delegates Obama would have won.

If Obama, like the rest of the morons running as democrats pulled their names off the list in protest, then how democratic is the democratic party in denying the people of the state the right to vote just for pushing their dates earlier. Don't forget that Clinton was leading the superdelegate count, and would have won Michigan nonetheless, which could have spelled momentum all over. Saying Obama would have won seeing how he did by such a close margin seems a little pretentious.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

obama doesnt have enough experience plus he is a socialist

[aviewaskewed]

Lol at people still treating FOX News like a valid source. In the end, Obama is the candidate the Democratic party is willing to support, for Hillary or anybody to pitch a fit at this point and continue to undermine him is counterproductive to what should be they're larger aim of getting a democrat in the white house. I have no love for anybody the Republicans fielded and wittled down to Mccain but at least as those guys were eliminated they had the grace and the sense to say "I lost, I throw my support behind the guy(s) who are still running".

[BrianEtrius]

FOX NEWS FTW!

Just kidding. The fact of the matter is that Obama won, and there's nothing to do about it now. He won by the rules on the Democratic party, thus he wins the nomination.

Funny thing, though, is that if Hilary was to run with Obama his percentage would rise an estimated 10%. However, that doesn't look like the case.

[Coherent]

At 8/19/08 05:25 PM, n64kid wrote: If Obama, like the rest of the morons running as democrats pulled their names off the list in protest, then how democratic is the democratic party in denying the people of the state the right to vote just for pushing their dates earlier.

Because the democratic party is a private organization, and being a private organization it has the right to put rules on it's primary. That being the case, it's Michigan's fault for breaking the rules, not the democratic parties fault for enforcing them.

Also, I agree with most people who say FOX shouldn't be treated as a legitimate source anymore. I don't even bother listening to anything from them.

[Al6200]

How can we say for sure that Clinton would've won Michigan, had Obama been on the ballot and allowed to campaign in the state? I mean, let's not forget that Clinton was winning by huge margins in national polls before the actual campaigning starts.

As Obama often said, the primary in Michigan may very well have just been a popularity contest, since neither of the candidates had the chance to present their positions to the voters in the state.

[dySWN]

At 8/19/08 08:55 PM, Coherent wrote: Also, I agree with most people who say FOX shouldn't be treated as a legitimate source anymore. I don't even bother listening to anything from them.

You folks seem to be confusing their op-ed pieces with their actual news segments.

[Korriken]

meh, this is just another way to get Obama's face in the newspapers and tv again, and keeping McCain and (heh) Barr (as if he ever even get mentioned other than in public talk radio) from being covered. Of course, I would personally find it INCREDIBLY humorous if Clinton actually managed to upstage Obama and win the nomination. question is, would she take the nomination? well she IS a clinton...

[200monkeys]

At 8/19/08 02:08 PM, TheKlown wrote:

:hannity

Point made.

[freddorfman]

At 8/19/08 02:20 PM, aninjaman wrote: This is bullshit. The majority of Democrats voted for Obama and he has won the primaries. HHillary will not get a nomination. This is Bullshit fox news trying to make the Dems look weak and fractured.

fuck fox news they are fear mongores and right wing extremists

[dySWN]

At 8/19/08 11:50 PM, freddorfman wrote: fuck fox news they are fear mongores and right wing extremists

Says the avowed Communist. Pardon me if I don't take your claims of their extremism seriously given your position relative to them on the political spectrum.

[freddorfman]

At 8/20/08 12:43 AM, dySWN wrote:

At 8/19/08 11:50 PM, freddorfman wrote: fuck fox news they are fear mongores and right wing extremists

Says the avowed Communist. Pardon me if I don't take your claims of their extremism seriously given your position relative to them on the political spectrum.

tell me tovarish what is not positive about no greed and equality
better yet tell me what is so positve about hate christian extremism and greed

[dySWN]

At 8/20/08 03:17 AM, freddorfman wrote:

At 8/20/08 12:43 AM, dySWN wrote:

At 8/19/08 11:50 PM, freddorfman wrote: fuck fox news they are fear mongores and right wing extremists

Says the avowed Communist. Pardon me if I don't take your claims of their extremism seriously given your position relative to them on the political spectrum.

tell me tovarish what is not positive about no greed and equality

The fact that the political and economic system that claims to have these things usually winds up crushing the rights of the individual underfoot.

better yet tell me what is so positve about hate christian extremism and greed

Everyone is guilty of hate and greed. As for Christian extremism - I haven't seen many Protestant jihadists lately, have you?

[homor]

At 8/19/08 02:20 PM, aninjaman wrote: This is Bullshit fox news trying to make the Dems look weak and fractured.

thats a steaming load you just fed everyone.

[Gunter45]

At 8/19/08 10:13 PM, Korriken wrote: meh, this is just another way to get Obama's face in the newspapers and tv again, and keeping McCain and (heh) Barr (as if he ever even get mentioned other than in public talk radio) from being covered. Of course, I would personally find it INCREDIBLY humorous if Clinton actually managed to upstage Obama and win the nomination. question is, would she take the nomination? well she IS a clinton...

That doesn't make any sense. This doesn't help Obama's position, why would it be a ploy by his campaign? That's ridiculous. Not all coverage is good coverage.

At 8/20/08 09:11 AM, homor wrote:

At 8/19/08 02:20 PM, aninjaman wrote: This is Bullshit fox news trying to make the Dems look weak and fractured.

thats a steaming load you just fed everyone.

No, it's a good point. A lot of the vote is swayed by who people think is going to win. If the Democrats seem like they still don't have a strong candidate, then that's more votes for McCain, it's pretty damn simple, but I hope that you managed to grasp the concept when it's spoon-fed to you.

[Coherent]

At 8/19/08 10:04 PM, dySWN wrote: FOX
actual news segments.

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[Korriken]

At 8/20/08 09:47 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

That doesn't make any sense. This doesn't help Obama's position, why would it be a ploy by his campaign? That's ridiculous. Not all coverage is good coverage.

It makes sense. The republican convention is right after the democratic convention. They have to have something that the newspapers, tv news, and internet news sites to talk about to keep people's eyes away from the republican convention. Sure, the republican convention news will be front page as well, but right below it, Mrs Clinton's big rant on party unity, along with more of Obama's "hope and change" along with saying McCain is another Bush.

All coverage is good coverage if it steals the thunder of the opponent's coverage.