Forum Topic: Shuko's Shinchan Showcase

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Shuko

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Posted at: 8/13/08 09:55 PM

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This is a newly discovered means for wasting my spare time. I've decided to try drawing Shinchan manga using Adobe Flash. The concepts are difficult for me, because I have the sense of humor of a piece of seaweed, but at least the drawing is easy. Hope to have a few more of these finished before long. For now, enjoy the debut comic!

Comic 1 - Hold the Line

I'll be posting more to this thread as I make them. Also, to keep within the rules of the forum, I've posted a preview pic, but you'll have to click the link to see the entire image. I'm afraid it's too large for Newgrounds' forum, and it'd be a shame to waste their bandwidth on it anyway. It pretty much sucks, lol.

Be sure to read it manga-style, from top to bottom, right to left. Just follow the numbers/arrows. :3

Shuko's Shinchan Showcase


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Posted at: 8/13/08 10:02 PM

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Well, at first i didnt realise it was going from right to left. But i then foud out when it started making no sense. But to the point, i thought that the pictures were nicely drawn. Good work with this.


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Posted at: 8/13/08 10:17 PM

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Why are you trying so hard to be a weeaboo? You even make your comics read left to right like all shitty Mangas.

Whatever, the drawings are basic and I hate comic strips that are about 10 panels long.

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Shuko

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At 8/13/08 10:02 PM, Oseus wrote: Well, at first i didnt realise it was going from right to left. But i then foud out when it started making no sense. But to the point, i thought that the pictures were nicely drawn. Good work with this.

Sorry about that. I'm so used to reading my books and comics that way that I forget sometimes that most Americans have problems with that. I need to start reading English media again. ^^;

Awfully nice of you to say that about the pictures. I personally thought they were terrible, but they took me a bloody awful long time to do, which made me angry, considering I thought this would be a very easy piece to do. Anyway, thanks for the compliment!

At 8/13/08 10:17 PM, SpammyMcGee wrote: Why are you trying so hard to be a weeaboo? You even make your comics read left to right like all shitty Mangas.

Whatever, the drawings are basic and I hate comic strips that are about 10 panels long.

You're so cute, the way you suck on your lolly and slather your negative comments about the Art board. :3 I just wanna gobble you to bits!


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It's not my fault you can't take criticism, you dumb bitch.

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MikeRomanul

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At 8/14/08 12:45 AM, SpammyMcGee wrote: It's not my fault you can't take criticism, you dumb bitch.

You didn't give any criticism except that it's too basic, except you said it with much more swearing.

Personally, I'd like to see more of the comic strip so that I can make my decision. Right now it IS a little too basic.


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Shuko

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Posted at: 8/14/08 01:08 AM

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At 8/14/08 12:45 AM, SpammyMcGee wrote: It's not my fault you can't take criticism, you dumb bitch.

I can take criticism very well, actually. I don't particularly care for irrelevant or unrelated criticism, but even that has merit to the open-minded.

Let us examine what you call "criticism," shall we?

At 8/13/08 10:17 PM, SpammyMcGee wrote: Why are you trying so hard to be a weeaboo?

This is criticism regarding a lifestyle choice, I think. I had to look it up to find out what a weeaboo was, but when I read the description from encyclopedia dramatica, it made me chuckle, I can tell you. I am an American. My parents are American citizens and by birth, so am I. I have no intention of elaborating further. Suffice it to say that reading Japanese literature and comics is something that I happen to practice on a daily basis. If being bilingual (trilingual if you count the Spanish major I'm pursuing in college right now) makes me a Weeaboo in your "criticism," then I won't deny it. I will say though, that you are quick to judge others and quick to attack more than just faulty artistic technique in your reviews. That's a bit of criticism I offer to you.

At 8/13/08 10:17 PM, SpammyMcGee wrote:

:You even make your comics read left to right like all shitty Mangas.
The shitty manga aren't the only ones that do this. The quality ones do too. Mine, however, falls under the shitty category, so I won't begrudge you that. This comment wasn't particularly constructive, since it did nothing more than elucidate a bias toward one method of guiding the reader through the comic. Just the same, I will take your comment into consideration.

At 8/13/08 10:17 PM, SpammyMcGee wrote: Whatever, the drawings are basic and I hate comic strips that are about 10 panels long.

Here is the only semi-relevant bit of criticism that I was able to glean from your sparse comments. I feel I should explain something, though. Crayon Shinchan is a series that uses basic and childish figures as its modus operandi. It is about a five-year old child who is the equivalent of a Dennis the Menace from Hell, and the drawing style is meant to reflect the childishness of not only the brat himself, but his parents and teachers as well. It's crude and pocked with toilet humor, but it delivers a humorous dig at the childishness of adults as well.

As for the length, that too is a by-product of the style of this series.

I make no claims about the quality of this "work" of mine; I only dislike being given baseless insults and opinions under the guise of constructive criticism. Pointing out flaws and criticizing weak points is all part of the game, and being able to accept that and learn from it is vital to anyone who wants to improve. I understand that.

My only question is, do you?

Sorry to prattle on about this. The subject of criticism is a touchy one with me, since I give it sparingly but thoroughly whenever I can. I review for the purpose of helping the reviewee improve, not to just state my opinions and prejudices as though they were facts.


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I've never read such a sweet amount of ownage in a single post, way to stick up for yourself, Shuko!

As for the comic, I could never get into Shinchan, but I have seen it before and I believe you capture the style from the show very well. The humor is childish yet witty, I think it was a very creative way to show how the little brat can make such a mess of things, especially in the last few panels.

On the reading right to left note, it was clearly defined by the arrows and numbers you put in there, so I can't see any complaints coming from that. Also, its based on something from Japan, where that is the norm, so it makes perfect sense that you did your comic that way, making it even more accurate to the source.

The art is simplified, but very clean, and the characters have expressions that show their emotions pretty darn well, the only thing I can say would be nice to add would be some more background elements, but they aren't truly necessary for the story to be told. Good job!


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Ha! Yes! At last, someone who knows the art of using words to their full extent rather than just swear! (I just told someone off for that) Oh yeah, you talk and spell like an Englishman, but you're an American. That was not a criticism, I did, though find it very funny.
As to the comic, you do indeed have the humour of dry seaweed, I did like it though. The only thing I have to say, given your rant above, is that the last two or three frames weren't entirely related; in the way that they confused the story a bit so that the puchline was lost. Nevertheless, well done, and keep it up.

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Shuko

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At 8/14/08 01:43 AM, AwesomeSaurus wrote: I've never read such a sweet amount of ownage in a single post, way to stick up for yourself, Shuko!

As for the comic, I could never get into Shinchan, but I have seen it before and I believe you capture the style from the show very well. The humor is childish yet witty, I think it was a very creative way to show how the little brat can make such a mess of things, especially in the last few panels.

On the reading right to left note, it was clearly defined by the arrows and numbers you put in there, so I can't see any complaints coming from that. Also, its based on something from Japan, where that is the norm, so it makes perfect sense that you did your comic that way, making it even more accurate to the source.

The art is simplified, but very clean, and the characters have expressions that show their emotions pretty darn well, the only thing I can say would be nice to add would be some more background elements, but they aren't truly necessary for the story to be told. Good job!

Thank you for the compliments! And thank you even more for the criticism. :) I agree that background elements would help the comic a good deal. I didn't add any both out of laziness and out of mimicry, since the original manga is very haphazard with background elements, and they aren't always there. It's a good idea for these, though, because unlike the original manga, mine's in color, and the white sticks out a lot more. I have been wondering though if making it read right to left is really necessary. It was second nature to me at the time, but perhaps it would be a bit presumptuous of me to continue it now that I've had someone point out to me that it's an uncomfortable read. I might change it in the end.

Thanks again for your comments!

At 8/14/08 01:43 AM, Krayon wrote: Ha! Yes! At last, someone who knows the art of using words to their full extent rather than just swear! (I just told someone off for that) Oh yeah, you talk and spell like an Englishman, but you're an American. That was not a criticism, I did, though find it very funny.
As to the comic, you do indeed have the humour of dry seaweed, I did like it though. The only thing I have to say, given your rant above, is that the last two or three frames weren't entirely related; in the way that they confused the story a bit so that the puchline was lost. Nevertheless, well done, and keep it up.

Yes, I agree. The last two panels especially were difficult to plan, because I hadn't originally thought how I could wrap the comic up after showing Shin at the phone with the lumps on his head. I should have stopped at that point, probably. Thanks so much for the insight! I appreciate it very much. :) And as for the swearing bit, I try not to look down on people who rely on curse words a lot, because although they seem unoriginal to me at times, there's no denying that they're expressive in their own way. It's easy to understand their meaning, and sometimes that's far more important than talking the way that I do - with such careful eloquence and forced politeness. ^^;

Thank you too for the comments. I appreciate the insight you've offered me!


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Posted at: 8/23/08 09:03 PM

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Hahah great you mimicked the shin-chan greatly and the drawing were very good you need to post more i really am a big fan of shin-chan

i loved on that one episode with the typhoon how the weather reporter say the typhoon on the map looks like a sperm fertilizing an egg


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