The G/R conflict is not for oil

[Oblivia]

The G/R is reffering to the Georgia/Russia Conflict in case of any confusion.

I guess this is a natural side affect when it comes to conflicts involving major powers especially when it is rather close to US involvement. Conspiracy Theorists are making the claim that the US is involved with the Georgia/Russia conflicts and sadly once again is supposidely about oil. Here some examples:

http://dissentmag.wordpress.com/2008/08/
10/war-between-russia-and-georgia-orches trated-from-usa/
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.consp iracy/browse_thread/thread/f56e26b78f025 6e4 (This one is claiming that Israel is in on it too)
http://startnow72.wordpress.com/2008/08/
09/us-attacks-russia-through-client-stat e-georgia/

To protect the sanctity of common sense, logic, and our sanity, I will clarify that this conflict is not in the US interest in oil by using the information from the Energy Information Administration [link]

Since the oil is coming from Azerbaijan through a pipeline that goes in through Georgia and finally to the Turkish ports, we'll look into it and compare it to other oil distriputing nations through an overall percentage:

Azerbaijan- 0.0053
Belgium- 0.0055
Finland- 0.0064
France- 0.0083
Iraq- 0.0453

See the bullshit yet?

Since this conflict is hardly even putting a scratch to the US oil consumption, would this affect other countries buying oil from Azerbaijan?

So in case of any tin foil hatters wants to make a thread claiming that the "evil USA" is making another oil grab through Georgia, use this for retaliation.

[animehater]

Interesting. People think everything is about oil.

[bcdemon]

I never really thought of US involvement in the situation. But the Central Asian Pipeline may have something to do with it. Check the "proposed pipeline" section through Georgia. Just a thought.

[Earfetish]

At 8/11/08 12:44 AM, animehater wrote: Interesting. People think everything is about oil.

People think wars are often about commodities.

Russia likes oil too guys

[Idiot-Finder]

The Opium War were fought for oil too...wait, what were they fighting for again?

Buys a pipe from a British drug dealer

How did I forget?

[Gunter45]

It's never been about oil.

I've already made a thread detailing the whole conflict back in July. It's Putin grabbing up the old Soviet satellite states. This has been in the works for quite a while and Putin has been doing a brilliant job of it. This whole halt on advancement business? It's because he knows that, even in this softened world, there's so far he can push before there's an international backlash. He's done what he needs to in Georgia at the moment. The whole area is totally destabilized and needs a strong backing. Guess who can provide that?

Georgia was targeted first because of the fact that they have been in talks with NATO for years and have been looking to join. Guess who else is? The Ukraine. See, the only thing that would keep Russia from scooping up the old Soviet states is the organization that had originally formed in opposition to the Warsaw pact. Seeing as how Georgia's pretty much out of the picture, the Ukraine is going to be next, Putin has already threatened them with nuclear reprisal if they join NATO.

So, if you read the news, it's pretty obvious that the Ukraine is next based on their relationship with NATO. After that, though? Well, you'd have to be familiar with the modern history of the region. There's a pretty juicy target that Russia's been marinating for years now. Chechnya has had internal strife and Russian intervention for a while now. The international community could give a damn about them and, what's more, they already have a Russian presence. Once Russia takes care of the only countries that the rest of the world actually might give a damn about (provided they join NATO, which they'll never have a chance to), Chechnya's going to be the first to go.

[Saruman200]

Why do wars have to have some secret reason, like oil or expansion or imperialism? Why does there have to be a conspiracy everywhere? Sometimes things are for the reasons everyone believe they are for. Everything doesn't have to have a behind the scenes reason.

[AznWarlord]

At 8/11/08 12:44 AM, animehater wrote: Interesting. People think everything is about oil.

This has the be the funniest thing I've read all day.

[Gunter45]

At 8/12/08 09:26 PM, Saruman200 wrote: Why do wars have to have some secret reason, like oil or expansion or imperialism? Why does there have to be a conspiracy everywhere? Sometimes things are for the reasons everyone believe they are for. Everything doesn't have to have a behind the scenes reason.

Expansionism isn't a secret reason, you fucking dumbass, it's pretty up front. This conflict is ENTIRELY about expansionism and Russia's doing almost nothing to hide that fact.

I don't even think I want to know if you thought about what you said beforehand or not.