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At 8/25/08 08:19 AM, D2Kvirus wrote:
And fuck Phelps, Usain Bolt should be Supreme Overlord of the Earth.

That's just the anti-americanism talking.

When they start adding in more relevant games to the olympics, start getting rid of the bullshit ones (honestly, synchronized diving, handball, a trampoline team what the fuck) get rid of the corruption to the scores, the rules, the referre's then I'll start giving a shit.

It is indeed an interesting nationalistic phenomenon.

At 8/25/08 08:19 AM, D2Kvirus wrote: Brief check, should the UK be celebrating being the highest-placed non-superpower in the medals table?

And fuck Phelps, Usain Bolt should be Supreme Overlord of the Earth.

Well, they both made most of their opponents look pretty silly.

At 8/25/08 12:42 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: When they start adding in more relevant games to the olympics, start getting rid of the bullshit ones (honestly, synchronized diving, handball, a trampoline team what the fuck) get rid of the corruption to the scores, the rules, the referre's then I'll start giving a shit.

The thing that bugs me about calling Phelps the Greatest Olympian of All Time (TM) is that it's actually a case of there being far too many events - there were a total of 302 events in 28 sports. Comparing Phelps to Mark Spitz, the previous GOAT, got that record at Munich where there were 195 events in 23 events. And do you think there were so many events in the 1896 Games?

Swimming is ludicrous - Butterfly, Freestyle, Individual Medley, Freestyle Relay, Medley Relay - and that's before the different distances. Frankly, it's no wonder Spitz or Phelps won so many medals, as they can compete in half a dozen or so events every four years, which is not available to a lot of other events. Heck, Chris Hoy won four Golds over two games in the various cycling events (three in Beijing), whilst Steve Redgrave won five in five Games, as there is only one four-man rowing event.

Yes, ditch the pointless events - synchronised diving, all the equestrian ones (and baseball is out after 2012 as there's only four teams in it anyway), but I'd prefer objectivity first - Bolt is great as he broke three World Records, which puts you on a higher plane than most.

At 8/25/08 01:17 PM, D2Kvirus wrote: Bolt is great as he broke three World Records, which puts you on a higher plane than most.

Bolt is great, however phelps broke 7 world records.
And thats much harder in swimming than it is in running.
Its not like bolt had to learn a new discipline, he just needed to learn how to pace himself for the 100 vs 200.

However just because you can do the crawl very fast doesn't mean that you can do the butterfly quickly, or the backstroke.

At 8/25/08 01:38 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 8/25/08 01:17 PM, D2Kvirus wrote: Bolt is great as he broke three World Records, which puts you on a higher plane than most.

Bolt is great, however phelps broke 7 world records.
And thats much harder in swimming than it is in running.

Actually, swimming records are broken much more regularly, due to the advances in competition swimwear. In running, once you've got decent light shoes, there's not a whole lot more you can do.

On the other hand, Phelps had a much more difficult games in terms of endurance. He swam something like 27 races while he was there.

At 8/8/08 10:34 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Oh that's right, they don't exist.

Now, I don't have any proof of this other than hearsay. I've looked around the internet and have come up short. But if it's true I think it's pretty funny. Maybe some stories will come out about this later.

Discuss.

You REALLY need to sort out that superiority complex.

Seriously I'm worried about you.

At 8/25/08 01:47 PM, Elfer wrote:

Actually, swimming records are broken much more regularly, due to the advances in competition swimwear.

Meh, I'll buy better swimwear grants a couple hundredths of a second.

But not over a second

I'm happy with our results :)
Also, go Spain!
and Jamaica!

At 8/25/08 02:54 PM, therealsylvos wrote: Meh, I'll buy better swimwear grants a couple hundredths of a second.

But not over a second

I'd say that it's more than a couple of hundredths, since we're all of a sudden seeing several people breaking the pre-race world record during the same race.

However, I'm not trying to argue that Phelps is not a disgusting human-fish hybrid. I saw him do crazier shit than that at the olympics.

At 8/25/08 09:42 PM, Elfer wrote:
However, I'm not trying to argue that Phelps is not a disgusting human-fish hybrid. I saw him do crazier shit than that at the olympics.

My main point is that its crazy that he does it with so many different strokes.

Consider Kitajima, supposedly a huge star in Japan but on the same planet as phelps in star power?
Why?
He has the best breast stroke in the world, but that's it.
He isn't an olmpic level freestyler, or backstroker, or butterfly.
Phelps is, meaning he had to put countless hours into ALL of those strokes.

If you run fast, you run fast.

Swimming is much more of a discipline and something you learn than running is.
Which makes utter domination more impressive.

At 8/25/08 02:54 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 8/25/08 01:47 PM, Elfer wrote:

Meh, I'll buy better swimwear grants a couple hundredths of a second.

But not over a second

Well, when the race is decided by tenths of a second or hundreths of a second, it's impact is felt.

The only swimming I've actually liked is the endurance ones, the ones where you can see the people dying during a mile and a half swim. Triatholons for examples.

Remember, kids; The more gold medals you have, the bigger your penis!

At 8/25/08 10:59 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: The only swimming I've actually liked is the endurance ones, the ones where you can see the people dying during a mile and a half swim. Triatholons for examples.

If you've ever been to a swim meet and watched any event over 200m you'd know how boring watching endurance swimming is. ... X(

Watching someone drown in a triatholon is a different story.

At 8/25/08 01:38 PM, therealsylvos wrote: Bolt is great, however phelps broke 7 world records.
And thats much harder in swimming than it is in running.

While Elfer already corrected you and I don't have anything to add to his comment I just wanted to point out how utterly wrong your comment was. Have you been watching the news recently about the super suits? Do you even have a slight interest in track or swimming? I don't mean this maliciously but it's apparent to anyone with a slight interest in track/ swimming or who's been watching the news that swimming is very technology assisted and World Records in swimming come and go whereas in sprinting they're far and few between.

Its not like bolt had to learn a new discipline, he just needed to learn how to pace himself for the 100 vs 200.

I think comparing Bolt and Phelps is almost a case of Apples and Oranges because they btoh have accomplished great feats in their respective sports, both are the greatest amongst their peers and both showed different qualities in doing so. I do however have the criticism shared by DNKVirus which is that swimming has too many events. And before you go into the "But the strokes are different!" diatribe it's been clearly illustrated time and time again; the majority of multiple winning medallists at the olympics have been swimmers. You can interpret this as one of either two things, either a) Swimmers are better athletes than everyone else or b) Good swimmers have more medal opportunities than other athletes.

The difference for me is that Usain Bolt won both the 100m and 200m sprints emphatically. He beat the next closest person by almost 20m and he was decelerating towards the end and he still broke the world record in the 100 (which in sprinting btw isn't assisted by revolutionary swimsuit technology). In the 200 same thing, he was peerless and beat the next guy by what looked like 30m. I've never seen such dominance ever and the two world records means in the most widely contested sport, he's the greatest that ever lived.
Phelps feat of course wasn't a walk in the park either and his training regime is a testament to that. He worked his ass off and he earned those Medals. The problem is it's tainted by the fact that for swimmers they just seem to come all too easy with all the different disciplines and different lengths and relays and then combinations of disciplines. At the end of the day though it's just opinion and fuck I must be bored to have written this diatribe. Will go out for some sunshine. GOOD DAY SIR!

At 8/26/08 01:05 AM, Carhenge wrote: Remember, kids; The more gold medals you have, the bigger your penis!

Way to start British in-squabbling, considering the GBR Gold haul breaks down pretty evenly between English, Scottish and Welsh (Chris Hoy, with three, means Scotland leads individually). And that's before getting into the usual North-South arguments thereafter.