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Another topic on the general forum about a teenager not liking his parents!? TELL ME MORE.

Seriously, shut up and deal with it.

wow uhh was it like that one vid on youtube when she started throwing shit at her son?

At 8/8/08 03:41 PM, Inquisitor911 wrote: Because Christians can make their views heard easily through their collective numbers. Atheists, on the other hand, have to be more vocal about their beliefs because they are a minority.

Imagine, if back in the days of slavery, some white people were sitting around, saying "at least white people don't go around talking about liberty and equality anytime someone mentions freedom, unlike those black people." Freedom was viewed as a goal to the African Americans, as freedom from persecution is the goal of many Atheists.

Those are two entirely different situations that can't be compared with each other. Atheists receive absolutely no persecution in the countries where their numbers are large, such as the USA, such as Britain. Even in places like Saudi Arabia, the situation of Atheists who complain do not match the situation of slaves who complained.

Atheists have no reason to be vocal about their beliefs outside of debates. Slaves' rights were being violated constantly. Since when are Atheists' rights being violated just because a he/she saw someone praying?

You should tear apart the house and crawl around on the floor speaking backwards. That oughtta amuse her.

At 8/8/08 03:38 PM, kylexthexpostman wrote: You probably don't even have a good reason on why you're an atheist.

Why would you assume something like that? Do you have a good reason for being... whatever you are? From my experience, atheists tend to have a better reason for being atheists than religious people have for being religious.

At 8/8/08 03:41 PM, Dezimo wrote: hell.. common sense should be enough to disprove God

The scientific method is offended by your ignorance.

Are you atheist just because your mom is not? That's not a very good reason to be atheist. I mean if I told my mom, the most holiest person in the world, that I was atheist, they would probably end up being really disappointed in me. You need to sit down with your mom and discuss this.

At 8/8/08 03:45 PM, Achilles2 wrote: Since when are Atheists' rights being violated just because a he/she saw someone praying?

That does not violate any rights. However, situations like a mother trying to force her beliefs on her son by depriving him of priveleges and property is multitudes more "immoral" than an Atheist sharing his opinion on religion in a strong way.

Atheists are often harrassed more than Christians in the USA. I have sources to prove it.

At 8/8/08 02:37 PM, K-Guare wrote: Now go ask God for forgiveness.

Fuck you.

your mom is like that because she thinks you won't go to heaven.

im not saying thats the right religion or anything, just try to see it from her point of view.

tell your mun that if she doesn't respect your beliefs, then you'll lose all respect for her

and i'm serious

and then if she refuses, go and get the guitar and whatever else back yourself

i can see why this is turning into a huge religious debate,
it's just so damn annoying to hear about parents forcing Christianity onto their kids when you're atheist.

At 8/8/08 03:43 PM, goatlord501 wrote: wow uhh was it like that one vid on youtube when she started throwing shit at her son?

sounds nasty,
you wouldn't mind giving me the link so i can rage at it would you?

Just write that report and when you're done that, write a paper about how much damage christianity has done in the name of their god and hand that one in too. You'll find that the words just flow.

Don't just list shit. Research it, explain it in detail, give examples about how you would feel if you were in any of those oppressing situations. Oh wait, you're already in one.

At 8/8/08 03:44 PM, Victory wrote:

At 8/8/08 03:38 PM, kylexthexpostman wrote: Truth be told, alot of us look down upon that sort of thing.

Intolerant morons?

I'm talking about the kids with no legit reasons of being atheist.

I HATE MY MOMMY I'M ATHEIST, WAAAH!

At 8/8/08 03:46 PM, AapoJoki wrote:

At 8/8/08 03:38 PM, kylexthexpostman wrote: You probably don't even have a good reason on why you're an atheist.

Why would you assume something like that? Do you have a good reason for being... whatever you are? From my experience, atheists tend to have a better reason for being atheists than religious people have for being religious.

Actually I do have a great reason.
It's beyond great, actually.
I've come to the decision that the bible is full of shit, but there HAS to be a higher power, a creator if you will.
I'm considered a Christian, I just don't completely agree with the WHOLE religion.

At 8/8/08 03:59 PM, kylexthexpostman wrote: I've come to the decision that the bible is full of shit, but there HAS to be a higher power, a creator if you will.
I'm considered a Christian, I just don't completely agree with the WHOLE religion.

Yeah, I always wonder if the typical 'net atheist actually realizes how many people of the Christian faith are well aware that the bible isn't word-for-word truth. I mean, I saw people posting in here (and in practically every other argument I've seen here) as if pointing out that the bible isn't all truth singlehandedly topples an entire system of belief and ends the argument once and for all.

At 8/8/08 04:05 PM, Zerok wrote:

I'm considered a Christian, I just don't completely agree with the WHOLE religion.

Yeah, I always wonder if the typical 'net atheist actually realizes how many people of the Christian faith are well aware that the bible isn't word-for-word truth. I mean, I saw people posting in here (and in practically every other argument I've seen here) as if pointing out that the bible isn't all truth singlehandedly topples an entire system of belief and ends the argument once and for all.

The stories in the bible are like Aesop's Fables,
they always have some catch or moral to them.
Most of it IS just unbelievable, that doesn't mean go off and consider yourself an atheist,
especially if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Atheist, hater of god.

At 8/8/08 03:59 PM, kylexthexpostman wrote: but there HAS to be a higher power, a creator if you will.
I'm considered a Christian

So you believe that the universe is too complex/beautiful/whatever to exist without a creator, so therefore Jesus Christ was born of a virgin and is the lord and savior, son of God?

How do you make THAT logical jump? It's the mother of all non-sequiturs.

At 8/8/08 04:09 PM, AapoJoki wrote: So you believe that the universe is too complex/beautiful/whatever to exist without a creator, so therefore Jesus Christ was born of a virgin and is the lord and savior, son of God?

How do you make THAT logical jump? It's the mother of all non-sequiturs.

You missed the part where he said he thought the bible was full of it.

At 8/8/08 04:11 PM, Zerok wrote: You missed the part where he said he thought the bible was full of it.

If you don't AT LEAST believe that Jesus is the Son of God and savior of mankind, then you're not a Christian, simple as that.

At 8/8/08 02:47 PM, Toasty4you wrote: Your mother sounds like a Nazi. She should respect your beliefs.

She's a missionary. And his father is a crusader.

At 8/8/08 04:09 PM, AapoJoki wrote:

At 8/8/08 03:59 PM, kylexthexpostman wrote: but there HAS to be a higher power, a creator if you will.
I'm considered a Christian

So you believe that the universe is too complex/beautiful/whatever to exist without a creator, so therefore Jesus Christ was born of a virgin and is the lord and savior, son of God?

Like I said, the bible is full of shit.
I didn't say "OH LOOK AT ME GUYS I'M A HARDCORE CHRISTIAN".
No, that didn't come out of my fingers.
See, you're the type of person to completely ignore what a person says, only to twist and mangle it up into whatever you think they said.
Making you an idiot beyond belief.

How do you make THAT logical jump? It's the mother of all non-sequiturs.

I didn't make a logical jump, I said MY belief and not anyone elses.
This world IS too complex for it to just happen, there's no way you can prove the big bang theory.
It just didn't happen that way.
The only thing I'm asking you to really do is CONSIDER a possibility of a creator, because as of now, you can't disprove that theory.

At 8/8/08 04:13 PM, AapoJoki wrote: If you don't AT LEAST believe that Jesus is the Son of God and savior of mankind, then you're not a Christian, simple as that.

Well there's subtlety you can work with there, if we're going to stick to the dictionary/official definitions of Christianity. Can't one believe that Jesus existed, and was the Son of God, but it didn't go down quite as the testaments spoke? I mean, there was a lot of years and second-third-etc-sourcing involved in puttin' the ol' bible together, so naturally you might expect some... inaccuracies.

Thing is, no one had a camcorder in those times, so we can't really know. Maybe there was a lot of magic shit happening. Probably not, but you probably wont win the lottery either. Since it's all up to the odds I think it's fine if you think the bible might be slightly ad-libbed (or mostly storytelling), and simultaneously still accept Jesus.

fossil -> face -> ??? -> profit!

At 8/8/08 04:15 PM, kylexthexpostman wrote: Like I said, the bible is full of shit.

Then you're not a Christian. If you don't believe the minimum requirement to be a Christian, i.e that Jesus in the Son of God and some kind of savior, then you are not a Christian, and you have no good reason to use that label for yourself. In fact, using it causes you even more harm than good, because that means you're getting associated with the rest of the Christians. You're more like a closet deist than a Christian.

This world IS too complex for it to just happen

So, the world is too complex and mysterious to exist on its own. How do you solve this problem? Hmm, by invoking something even MORE complex and mysterious... such as God. Good job, you've managed to explain the Universe. Now explain God.

At 8/8/08 04:21 PM, AapoJoki wrote:

At 8/8/08 04:15 PM, kylexthexpostman wrote:

Then you're not a Christian. If you don't believe the minimum requirement to be a Christian, i.e that Jesus in the Son of God and some kind of savior, then you are not a Christian, and you have no good reason to use that label for yourself. In fact, using it causes you even more harm than good, because that means you're getting associated with the rest of the Christians. You're more like a closet deist than a Christian.

I said I was CONSIDERED a Chrstian, Mr. Mangles and confuses
I never said I believed in the WHOLE religion, either.
Some of it's true, other parts are not.

There's a box. Nobody knows what's inside the box, and there is no way of ever knowing. One person says that there's a singing monkey inside the box, and he's the one that created and controls the universe.

I don't believe in the singing monkey inside the box, because there's no evidence at all that supports the monkey. This person can write a bunch of stories and threaten that if people don't believe in the monkey they'll burn in a fire of cancer as much as he wants, but I still don't believe in it, because there is no reason to other than some retarded made up stories.

This person made this claim thousands of years ago, when people were stupid enough to believe in Zeus and shit like that. People start following and worshiping the singing monkey, even though there is still no evidence of it, because they're afraid. The singing monkey now has millions of believers.

Now, why should a person believe in a religion but not the singing monkey? Or Santa Claus (in the fat undead form), the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy for that matter? The only arguments I've heard are that you can't disprove shit, and that life sucks if you don't have faith in anything - which are both obviously ridiculous.

At 8/8/08 04:30 PM, That-Is-Bull wrote: The only arguments I've heard are that you can't disprove shit, and that life sucks if you don't have faith in anything - which are both obviously ridiculous.

By 'obviously ridiculous' you mean 'completely legit' and 'to each his own,' respectively.

Unless you'd rather stay close minded and stubborn about it. Again, to each his own.

I DISLIKE A PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS GROUP SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT.

/caps

At 8/8/08 04:38 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: I DISLIKE A PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS GROUP SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT.

/caps

Not exactly. He dislikes his mom, who is a member of a certain religious group he isn't one of. Or something like that.

At 8/8/08 04:36 PM, Zerok wrote: By 'obviously ridiculous' you mean 'completely legit' and 'to each his own,' respectively.

Unless you'd rather stay close minded and stubborn about it. Again, to each his own.

Ah yes, I forgot the "close minded" argument, which is also ridiculous. Zerok, I'm assuming you don't believe in the singing monkey. You're close minded.

See how that works?

However, I am open to the possibility of there being a god. Just because anything is possible. There's also the possibility that a flying spaghetti monster created the universe. There's also the possibility that everything exists inside of my ass. There's also the possibility that there is no magical being that created everything. Et cetera. All of these possibilities have the exact same amount of evidence, and the exact same chance of being true. So why should I believe only one of them, and spend my life worshiping it?

As for "to each his own," I usually agree with that. I don't care about what other people do as long as it doesn't affect anybody else. However, religion does affect many other people, and you can't honestly deny that.