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THE RUSSIANS ARE ADVANCING ON MY CAPITAL!!!!! THEY ARE FULLY CONTROLLING GORI RIGHT NOW AND THEIR TROOPS ARE HEADING TO OUR WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I REPEAT, RUSSIAN FORCES ARE ON THE WAY TO THE CAPITAL RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE JUST 20KM AWAY FROM TBILISI.

I suggest that you get the hell out of there.

I hope he's not there to reply to us. Hopefully he got his shit and his family and RAN. In conflict and engagment Russia has nearly 0% concern for civilian casualties. All they care about id killing the enemy. They've bombed schools, homes, and even churches that have either had hostage situations or insurgents of some kind hiding. They don't care if there are 50 kids held captive by 5 men in a school. They'll blow up the entire street just to make sure they made the kill.

I just saw this . It gets a little bit dramatic at times but overall I think it's an important message. Why would anyone find a war like this neccessary? Is it really making any part of the world better in any way whatsoever? This is the first major land battle that has been fought since WW2. That's not a good thing. Was is a part of our history and soceity. Civilization as we know it would not exist if we did not have war. The priciples on which wars are made on fought are logical if not noble, but this war, is niether. This is hardly war. It's carnage and slaughter. There is no honor or justice in this. Are we even capable of vaguely understanding the real reason that this is happening? I doubt it.

Yeah, and to all who say that Georgia attacked first, yea, they did, BUT ON THEIR OWN FREAKING LAND. Russia is outta control.

GET THIS SHIT! It's unbelievable! How in sweet Jesus's name does Russia get away with this shit? Lying to thier citizens and surrounding territories!

I don't know what to say about the whole thing with South Ossetia cause i don't quite understand what it is all about, but I think Russia is going to far with going farther into Georgia.

At 8/11/08 03:01 PM, Jezuz wrote:

At 8/11/08 02:51 PM, fatherbuck wrote: GET THIS SHIT! It's unbelievable! How in sweet Jesus's name does Russia get away with this shit? Lying to thier citizens and surrounding territories!

"I want to go to Tskhinvali. The Georgians shot small children there. I want to go kill Georgians."

And the rest of the world thinks America is bad with it's propaganda.

i really don't get it. how can russia justify any of this? does puten think he's untouchable? this sin't fucking Command and Conquer here where he can just brainwash everyone and make us forget what happened. people KNOW that russia has bombed several sities, but they don't tell thier citizens, so the citizens think "Hey, our government wouldn't lie to us. If it's true they would tell us up front." yet at the same time you can go on youtube and find dozens of videos of the bombings and the aftermath and the death that is happining right now. This isn't an isolated event, and never was to begin with. the night of the olympic ceremony was the night the conflict began. you know when this hit international news? the night od the olympic ceremony. it's as if russia meant to start this war during the olympics to avoid as much media attention, but NEWS FLASH: EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT RUSSIA IS FUCKING ANTAGONIZING GEORGIA AND NO ONE BELIEVES YOUR BULLSHIT ABOUT PEACEKEEPING!

At 8/11/08 12:55 PM, BuddhaGeo wrote: I REPEAT, RUSSIAN FORCES ARE ON THE WAY TO THE CAPITAL RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE JUST 20KM AWAY FROM TBILISI.

GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!!!! Turkey, Azerbaijan, and fucking place would be preferable to your soon to be completely Russian occupied home country. At this rate Georgia is going to be the new Cold War era Poland.

At 8/11/08 03:53 PM, Grubby wrote: It won't be easy at all for Buddha-Geo to get out of there.
Many people are probably attempting to flee from the capital right now.

Well it REALLY won't be easy once the Russians take the capital. How far away is Tbilisi from the Azerbaijan border?

I'm astonished how anyone can believe Russia's side of the argument on all of this. RussiaToday's rolling news consists entirely of stories of Georgian's commiting genocide and executing Russian soldiers, even though they've been constantly falling back to the capital. Really now, what the hell kind of chance does a country with a 75k population have against one of the world's super powers? What could they possibly gain from "ethnically cleansing" South Ossetia? Not to mention the "slideshow of suffering" they're constantly keep showing with "OSSETIA GENOCIDE" writen in big, fiery letters. Russia is constantly accusing the West of anti-Russian propoganda, but what the hell are they reporting to Russian citizens?

Why would Russia even get involved with this? South Ossetia is officially part of Georgia and isn't recognised as an independant nation. The only people who think it's an independant nation are the rebels formed from the reminants of the Soviet era. Russia's actions, the history of the area, the Russian media, and the timing of this event all point towards Russia trying to invade and occupy Georgia for their own gain. Blaiming a small nation for "genocide" is the perfect scapegoat for a super power to take action against such a nation.

Let's be more logical here. America is probably more concerned about starting another Cold war instead of another world war which is probably half the reason they won't get involved (The other half being the war on Terror). But the thing is it's going to happen anyway now that this has happened.

At 8/11/08 01:49 PM, LordJaric wrote: I suggest that you get the hell out of there.

QFT.

Russia's not going to stop if they've captured a city and are advancing towards another while bombing others and recruiting more soldiers, because it takes much finance to do that. This isn't ending soon.

it is super fucked up about how russia is manipulating and twisting the truth to lie to thier citizens and denying thier war crimes to NATO and the UN. Not only is Georgia outnumbered and unjustly assaulted, but thier opponents think that they are right because thier leaders are lying to them. A soldier who believes that he is doing something good will fight with high moral and will not think twice about killing men, women, or even children of thier enemy nation. A long time ago, I was part of a thread about religion and Catholics. the following is a segment i wrote for that thread about understanding. it's a bit different of a situation, but i think that it applies completely to the miscommunication and lying that russia has ignited.

Here's the segment:
the majority of religous feuds that have happened, or even cultural feuds for that matter, were caused by lack of understanding. for example: during the holy crusades the men who were under the leadership of the sultan saladin were taught by thier captains to hate the christians because it was alah's will. the christians had the same thing, they hated the muslims because they were told it was god's will. besides that, they knew almost nothing about each other because they didn't speak the same language and because no one stopped to think "hey, wait a minute, have we ever tried to figure this out? maybe they're not so different from us?" if anyone would take the time to learn about who they were argueing with, you know, listen to both sides of the story, then a lot of the conflict that happens would be less spiteful, if not avoidable. i have several non-catholic friends who claimed that catholics "worshiped the saints and the statue of mary" not true. they are only representatives, symbols of the men and women that we revere in our faith. once i was able to tell my friends this they understood what they previously had not, and were able to look back and admit "what a narrow minded jerk i was" before they had understanding

I'd suggest getting somewhere safe from air raids, just in case.

This is an annexation. Pure and simple. It reminds me of Hitler's invasion of first the Sudetenland, and then Czechoslovakia in 38-39. Russia is using the excuse of Georgian control of South Ossetia to justify increasing its territory. If the South Ossetians want to split from Georgia, I think this should be allowed. But never as part of Russia. There is also no excuse for the tactics that the Russian military has been using.

At 8/11/08 04:48 PM, Britkid wrote: This is an annexation. Pure and simple. It reminds me of Hitler's invasion of first the Sudetenland, and then Czechoslovakia in 38-39. Russia is using the excuse of Georgian control of South Ossetia to justify increasing its territory.

At first I thought they were ju8st going to annex South Ossetia and maybe Abkhazia, but I never would've thought for a moment they would to it to the entire country. Who do you think is next? My money is on Ukraine.

I think I must be writing in an indecipherable alien language because despite everything I've said, we still get posts like this.

At 8/11/08 04:37 PM, fatherbuck wrote: it is super fucked up about how russia is manipulating and twisting the truth to lie to thier citizens and denying thier war crimes to NATO and the UN. Not only is Georgia outnumbered and unjustly assaulted, but thier opponents think that they are right because thier leaders are lying to them.

Where does it say in the article that the Russian media is lying to its citizens? NOWHERE. All it states is that people believe Western sources are lying because certain things haven't been reported in the Russian media, which is not the same as lying by any stretch of the imagination. Hell, accusations of omitted coverage abound against even our news media.

Yeah, and to all who say that Georgia attacked first, yea, they did, BUT ON THEIR OWN FREAKING LAND. Russia is outta control.

Sigh. DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK BECAUSE GEORGIA CLAIMS TO RULE OVER SOUTH OSSETIA BUT EXERCISES ABSOLUTELY NO POWER OVER IT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT PART OF THEIR NATION? I don't give a shit who chooses to recognize them. The choice of recognition has nothing to do with what objectively constitutes an independent nation but rather what is politically necessary. It makes no sense for the US or anyone else except the Russians to recognize South Ossetia because doing so would antagonize Georgia, which is friendly to the West.
Georgia knew that Russia jealously protected South Ossetia, knew that there was a clear Russian presence, but chose to gamble that the Russians wouldn't bother to respond militarily to an all-out invasion. They were wrong. They jumped in the bear cage hoping it would stay asleep, so to speak, and now they are upset because it is mauling them. Russia has a clear-cut case for regime change, given that the Georgian president made reconquest one of his key policies, and invading Georgia is a necessary requirement to enforce it.

:All they care about id killing the enemy. They've bombed schools, homes, and even churches that have either had hostage situations or insurgents of some kind hiding. They don't care if there are 50 kids held captive by 5 men in a school. They'll blow up the entire street just to make sure they made the kill.
All the more reason for the enemy to beg to mercy and prostrate themselves now. Having the moral stomach to view such ruthless determination as righteous is to be admired by Russia's military equals (and superiors) and feared by its lesser enemies.

i just found out: Georgia's military forces are almost depleted. they have less than 100 tanks, 12 armored vehicles, and some odd 3000 troops. One of their main military armories and resource facilities was bombed. if they don't recieve some kind of help within the next 24 hours thier country is lost. this is tyranny and abuse of power. is any one else reminded of WW1 when Germany invaded Belgium? except this time Germany is pressing Iran to drop thier uranium expansion and Russia is skull fucking Georgia. Someone has to step in and stop it, whether its America, France, Great Britain, SOMEONE! this is bullshit! it's bad enough that all we can do is stay on our computers desperatly looking for news when our media is already schetchy and untrustworhty! at the same time innocent people are being killed, Russia is lying to its citizens and to its fellow nations, Georgia's freedom and stability are about to be crushed beneath puten's heel, and no one is doing anything except saying "We codenm Russia's hostile position, and are currently discussing the issue." I have to say, that in very simple words, I fucking hate the way that this is playing out.

At 8/11/08 05:03 PM, adrshepard wrote: I think I must be writing in an indecipherable alien language because despite everything I've said, we still get posts like this.

okay then, why the fuck is Russia CONTINUING THIER PATH INTO THE CAPITOL? if all they were doing was "peace keeping" then why do they think it neccessary to deny all ceacefire pleas, completely deny the fact that they have conducted abundent and severe air raids, and after that, they choose to PURSUE the Georgian's retreat all the way to Tibilisi?

At 8/11/08 05:11 PM, fatherbuck wrote: Someone has to step in and stop it, whether its America, France, Great Britain, SOMEONE! this is bullshit!

None of them want the situation to escalate further.

it's bad enough that all we can do is stay on our computers desperatly looking for news when our media is already schetchy and untrustworhty!

It appears that the U.S media is more interested in cats being stuck in trees than this was in the Caucasus.

Georgia's freedom and stability are about to be crushed beneath Putin's heel, and no one is doing anything except saying "We condemn Russia's hostile position, and are currently discussing the issue." I have to say, that in very simple words, I fucking hate the way that this is playing out.

This conflict is only the beginning. The beginning of a new Cold War and a new Russian Empire. God help us all; because it appears that the fall of Communism did nothing but delay delay delay.

At 8/11/08 04:52 PM, animehater wrote: At first I thought they were ju8st going to annex South Ossetia and maybe Abkhazia, but I never would've thought for a moment they would to it to the entire country. Who do you think is next? My money is on Ukraine.

It is funny, I'm reading a series of books by dale brown, one I finished a while ago called air battle force, had Russia going into to Turkmenistan to repel a terrorist take over but at the end it turned into to a Russian take over.

George Bush just said on CNN that "Russia HAS invaded a soverign neighboring state with a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century. The Georgian government has accepted the elements of a peace agreement that the Russian government previously said it would be willing to accept. An immediate cease fire, the withdrawl of forces from the zone of conflict, a return to the military status quo as of August 6th, and a commitment to refrain from using force." Thank God I say. It's over at least for the moment.

At 8/11/08 05:32 PM, fatherbuck wrote: Thank God I say. It's over at least for the moment.

You sure he wasn't talking about the recent failed attempt at a ceasefire earlier?

At 8/11/08 06:43 PM, animehater wrote:

At 8/11/08 05:32 PM, fatherbuck wrote: Thank God I say. It's over at least for the moment.

You sure he wasn't talking about the recent failed attempt at a ceasefire earlier?

I'm not sure. I remember that they said that the French and Finnish ambassader were delivering a cease fire decree to Moscow but if this was different from that I'm not sure. But I do hope that Bhuda made it out safely.

At 8/11/08 05:32 PM, fatherbuck wrote: George Bush just said on CNN that "Russia HAS invaded a soverign neighboring state with a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century. The Georgian government has accepted the elements of a peace agreement that the Russian government previously said it would be willing to accept. An immediate cease fire, the withdrawl of forces from the zone of conflict, a return to the military status quo as of August 6th, and a commitment to refrain from using force." Thank God I say. It's over at least for the moment.

I was going to reply to your earlier post until I saw this one and realized that you are beyond any hope. I admit that George Bush doesn't always speak clearly, but this was a prepared statement meant to be totally unambiguous and clear. Somehow, you have interpreted it to mean the exact frigging opposite, which can only indicate that you possess a mental capability well below the US average, which all poltical messages are intended for. I can only suggest you step away from the computer, put on your crash helmet, and learn to love picking up garbage in the street because I don't see you ever advancing further than janitorial assistant.

That fact that Georgia was able to hold out so long is incredible. It shows how determined the soldiers were. The Russians are just too much, though. A million or so men just waiting to kick your ass thanks to their extreme nationalist propaganda.

At 8/11/08 07:05 PM, yourefat wrote: That fact that Georgia was able to hold out so long is incredible. It shows how determined the soldiers were.

What are you talking about? It's been less than a week and they're almost done for.

At 8/11/08 06:55 PM, adrshepard wrote:

At 8/11/08 05:32 PM, fatherbuck wrote: George Bush just said on CNN that "Russia HAS invaded a soverign neighboring state with a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century. The Georgian government has accepted the elements of a peace agreement that the Russian government previously said it would be willing to accept. An immediate cease fire, the withdrawl of forces from the zone of conflict, a return to the military status quo as of August 6th, and a commitment to refrain from using force." Thank God I say. It's over at least for the moment.

I was going to reply to your earlier post until I saw this one and realized that you are beyond any hope. I admit that George Bush doesn't always speak clearly, but this was a prepared statement meant to be totally unambiguous and clear. Somehow, you have interpreted it to mean the exact frigging opposite, which can only indicate that you possess a mental capability well below the US average, which all poltical messages are intended for. I can only suggest you step away from the computer, put on your crash helmet, and learn to love picking up garbage in the street because I don't see you ever advancing further than janitorial assistant.

wow. you think I'm completely naive? you really have absolutely nothing to offer other than shit like this? i'll admit, i'm conflicted as to how i feel about this, and it's difficult for me to discern who's right and who's wrong, but i'll fucking kill myself before i let a total douchebag like you tear me down and call me an idiot because I was relaying what George Bush said. You say that I'm beyond hope? I'm doomed to be a janitorial assitant for the rest of my life? I've never said anything like that to anyone, regardless of thier opinion or stance on a political debate. We're not on opposing sides but seem dead set on making ememies. I might have misinformation and I might "misinterpret" what I think at first to be a good thing, but it makes everything better for everyone when you tell me that you think I'm not only stupid, but worthless with nothing to offer and beyond any help. Well great. I really really wish you the best of luck with whatever point you're trying to prove, because if you believe in it so strongly that you're willing to make a complete asshole of yourself in front of complete strangers then you have a great deal more gusto and bravery that I, sir. I hope that nothing I say changes your thoughts, because you have now shown that you think you know everything, so if you take anything that I say and do anything other then rip me to pieces you will prove that you are wrong, and no one likes it when that happens. I only wanted to offer a piece off mind for those as worried about innocent lives as I am. I won't do it anymore, so there, you have succeeded. Never again will I attempt to genuinly help other people.

Any one else think this is similar to what Hitler did with Polan?

I think were getting into another war with Russia... :/

At 8/11/08 07:14 PM, fatherbuck wrote: Never again will I attempt to genuinly help other people.

Relax. Dont bother listening to people trolling around like he is.