I Decided Not To Vote For Obama

[PineappleWinnie]

Many of us have been tired of the Bush administration, which is and has been full of mistakes, errors, and bad policies. And I totally agree with this view. Up until recently I have been more Democrat inclined, favoring Hillary Clinton. Upon her defeat inside the Democrat party, I said "well, I vote for Obama then". As time went I have decided to learn more about Islam in general, both by reading articles, and speaking with Muslim people. And in both cases I received a strange impression. The impression that I am getting is that Muslim people, in general, think that they have been born to fight and conquer. Many articles also mention the fact that Muslims, many centuries ago, dominated many parts of Europe, and the point out the fact that they, Muslims, have an agenda to dominate the world once again, both politically, and religionwise. Muslims, in general, do not believe that there is anythign wrong at all with this view, as every "non-Muslim" is in reality an infidel, and not trully a worthy human being.

Islamic World Domination Relate Articles

Islamic World Domination: http://ezinearticles.com/?Islamic-World-
Domination&id=54337

Islam and the World: http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/00 7248179x/student_view0/chapter5/a_furthe r_note_1.html

Future World Map (100% Muslim): http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2007/11 /01/194-the-united-states-of-islam/ (This article may be a bit sensationalist, but not totally out of sync with average Muslim sentiment or beliefs - after all, they think this is their rightful destiny)

Not a Crime to Rape Swedish Girls (in Spanish): http://yahel.wordpress.com/2007/02/20/la s-jovenes-suecas-ya-utilizan-un-cinturon -de-castidad-para-evitar-ser-violadas/

As we all have learned, Barack Obama, is a man whose family life has been strongly influenced by Islam in general. It is still being debated wether or not he secretly still embraces Islam or not. However, even if Obama is genuinely a good man, even if Obama has genuine intentions of being a good USA President, his Islamic background (even if it isn't a heavy background) could still represent a serious danger for the USA, and maybe for the Non-Muslim world in General. Why, may you ask? Simple, because Muslim people worldwide could eventually consider Barack Obama to be "their man". For Islamic people, Obama could be the newest leader, the newest hope to further spread Islamic religion worldwide. This possibility is what makes it even remotely possible that Islam will, in fact dominate a much more significative part of the World.

Related Articles:

Is Obama a Muslim? http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl _barack_obama_muslim.htm

Barack Obama Practiced Islam: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

Barack Obama - Muslim Apostate?: http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0519/p09s0 2-coop.html?page=2

Obama the Self-Hating Muslim: http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/200 8/06/obama-the-self.html (Or is he?)

Obama Photo in Muslim Garb: http://sweetness-light.com/archive/anoth er-photo-of-obama-in-muslim-garb

Obama's Muslim Connections: http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon21 2.htm

Obama's Pastor Anti-USA sentiments: http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hat e_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html

Once again, I don't really agree with Bush and his administration, and I think Bush pretty much damaged economy in general. I am also not an Israel supporter either. Despite all of this, I still have decided that I will NOT vote for Barack Obama either. Maybe the guy (Obama) is a good fellow, I am not saying that he isn't, but I also don't want to risk any of the above (domination) actually being true. I just don't think it is the right time. I will not say for whom else I will vote, as I haven't decided yet myself.

I don't agree with war and I don't agree with dominating other nations, but I don't want others to dominate mine, either. I agree with freedom in general, and with freedom of cult and of religion, as long as none try to impose themselves over the others. Muslims wish to defend their culture, and they are on their right to do so. But the rest of us Non-Muslims are also in our right to defend our culture and our lifestyle, and there should be no shame in admitting this.

Synopsis: Muslims worldwide may eventually see Barack Obama as their man.

Discuss.

[Jackrabbit-slims]

At 8/6/08 03:32 PM, PineappleWinnie wrote: Synopsis: Muslims worldwide may eventually see Barack Obama as their man.

Ok, so then what?

Maybe the anti-americanism trend will end. good deal

[fli]

He's not Muslim...
HE'S A CHRISTIAN-NA!

[zoolrule]

Good job. Hopefully many will follow you.

[qStik]

At 8/6/08 03:55 PM, JimboBoy wrote:

At 8/6/08 03:38 PM, Jackrabbit-slims wrote:

At 8/6/08 03:32 PM, PineappleWinnie wrote: Synopsis: Muslims worldwide may eventually see Barack Obama as their man.

Ok, so then what?

That if the USA indeed becomes the helper of Islamic ambitions (Obama or not), then we better hope that the USA itself gets weak quickly, allowing Russia or China to become the World Superpower. I'm not about to teach my children about the Quran or that women need to wear veils or else beat the crap out of them.

Tell me now, do you HONESTLY belive, that if Obama wins, women will be forced to wear veils, and america will become an extremist fundamentalist Muslim State?

HONESTLY?

[PineappleWinnie]

At 8/6/08 04:29 PM, qStik wrote:

Tell me now, do you HONESTLY belive, that if Obama wins, women will be forced to wear veils, and america will become an extremist fundamentalist Muslim State?

HONESTLY?

I am not saying that Obama himself will do this. I am not saying that Obama will go mad and wacko like that. But he may lead politics that may weaken the USA (in a wide-sense) to the point where Islam can actually stand a chance. He might go soft on Muslims, and even somewhat promote Islam in a very subtle way, making more people to either convert to Islam (ads, mosques, etc), or make it easier for those abroad to come in. It would be then these folks, several years in the future, who may actually make Islam stronger and stronger within the USA. Its not what Obama himself will do as a President, but the many subtle doors he may open that don't really convince me. He can make it easy for Islam to get through. This itself shoult not be an issue, but it sadly is, as Muslims consider that they need to conquer the West (which is represented by the USA and Europe).

[TheSavant]

Holy shit... This is the biggest bundle of nonsense I've heard in weeks.

First off, Obama is Christian. Remember that church everyone is so scared about with Reverend Wright? Remember how he atteneded that church for 20 years? Hmm... That leads one to believe that he is not a Muslim, and therefor will not be pushing his own, secret, scary, Muslim agenda.

And so maybe he has had some Muslim influence in his life. Big freaking deal. As I stated earlier, he obviously isn't a Muslim (not that there is a thing wrong with that) so that religion obviously hasn't shaped his whole view on the world and his policies. No, if anything, his experience with Islamic cultures would have helped him to understand the people, which would lead to much better foreign policies with Islamic countries, which would help to end a lot of this America hating we have going on over there, and by killing hatred, we've just killed terrorism in the most complete way! By destroying the fuel for their fires with peace. Oh-Em-Gee, sign this man up for a Nobel Peace Prize.

Saying that just because Obama has Muslim beliefs and principles just because he's seen and been around their culture is like saying that just because a kid lives in an inner city ghetto, he deals (and does) drugs, is a member of a gang, and moonlights as a prostitute. It's like saying that every kid in the most rural areas of Apalacia will become an incestial pig, just because that's actually a real part of their culture. It's like saying that if we had a gay president, he'd make sure that every single male got a good ass pounding once a week. This argument you are making is just like the one against video games, in which people claim that just because you enact voilence in a video game, you are going to become a sociopathic madman, intent on acting out the most gruesome and horrific scenes in your favorite bloody game. It's complete and utter bullshit.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where you go, what you see, or who you talk to. You are you own person, and you make your own opinions and decisions, especially when you are a man with the intelligence of Barack Obama. No group you have had trivial associations with detail every little decision you make.... If you were to decide not to vote for Obama because of an issue you have with his policy, that's one thing, but to not vote for him because he has had some limited experiences with a religious group, that's not intelligence voting for you, that's fear.

[Gunter45]

Only during an American election will retards blast a guy for being muslim while calling his pastor a whackjob.

I fucking give up.

[qStik]

At 8/6/08 04:45 PM, PineappleWinnie wrote:

At 8/6/08 04:29 PM, qStik wrote:

Tell me now, do you HONESTLY belive, that if Obama wins, women will be forced to wear veils, and america will become an extremist fundamentalist Muslim State?

HONESTLY?

I am not saying that Obama himself will do this. I am not saying that Obama will go mad and wacko like that. But he may lead politics that may weaken the USA (in a wide-sense) to the point where Islam can actually stand a chance. He might go soft on Muslims, and even somewhat promote Islam in a very subtle way, making more people to either convert to Islam (ads, mosques, etc), or make it easier for those abroad to come in. It would be then these folks, several years in the future, who may actually make Islam stronger and stronger within the USA. Its not what Obama himself will do as a President, but the many subtle doors he may open that don't really convince me. He can make it easy for Islam to get through. This itself shoult not be an issue, but it sadly is, as Muslims consider that they need to conquer the West (which is represented by the USA and Europe).

Ah, those irrational fears...

Extremism in any religion is mostly present in the less educated, and poorer parts of the population, which is, in most Islamic countries, a majority. But, as time passes, and countries develop, this extreme view of Religion dissipates. If you give your "Muslim World Domination" theory to a well educated Muslim man, he would probably laugh and give you a sarcastic "Yeah..."

Now, how this ties into the story: By the time any Islamic state can pose a real threat to America (except terrorism, but your FBI seems to be in control of that) , they will probably become developed and influenced by the west, alot like Jordan and Saudi Arabia (who, even though having questionable human rights, is a trading ally of the US, and a country that would never even think world domination is a viable political scenario) , countries where Fundamentalism still exists, but is not the prevalent political opinion, due to the increasing life standard.

So, in twenty years, when Islam (Hypothetically) reaches the US, it will be a lot like Christianity, a relic of the past slowly being destroyed by education, and better life standards.

Sleep easy, my friend, for you are safe.

[Mad-Mardigan]

vote NADER

[Tony-DarkGrave]

if you want a real president with many years in the senate and voting record and a millitary record to boot McCain for 08!

[SmilezRoyale]

You're reasons for not liking obama are silly... There are better ones out there.

And five words for you my friend.

Unashamedly Black + Unapologetically christian

[Earfetish]

I bet you the national debt that the USA will never become an Islamic state and that Obama will be at least an average president.

[Jizzlebang]

You're an idiot who has no comprehension of Islam or the Muslim people. A

And that shouldn't even matter, because he's not a muslim!

[MultiCanimefan]

What's with all this talk about McCain's military experience undoubtedly and eventually helping him steer the war in the right direction? McCain was a soldier, not a general. A general knows how to run a war, not a veteran soldier.

[Zeistro]

At 8/6/08 07:42 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: What's with all this talk about McCain's military experience undoubtedly and eventually helping him steer the war in the right direction? McCain was a soldier, not a general. A general knows how to run a war, not a veteran soldier.

And tell me, good sir, what is Obama's military career? Oh that's right - jack shit.

Only in America would people be foolish enough to put a man in charge of the world's most powerful military when said man himself has no military backround.

[Michael1000]

Good choice! DON'T VOTE 4 OBAMA! :D

[Cuppa-LettuceNog]

Sweet Jesus.

THE MAN IS NOT A MUSLIM, NOR HAS HE EVER BEEN A MUSLIM, OR "MUSLIM-ISH".

No, the Islamic world will never see him as "their man", they will be too put off by the fact that he's a devout Christian.

[Nylo]

At 8/6/08 04:45 PM, PineappleWinnie wrote: I am not saying that Obama himself will do this. I am not saying that Obama will go mad and wacko like that. But he may lead politics that may weaken the USA (in a wide-sense) to the point where Islam can actually stand a chance. He might go soft on Muslims, and even somewhat promote Islam in a very subtle way, making more people to either convert to Islam (ads, mosques, etc), or make it easier for those abroad to come in. It would be then these folks, several years in the future, who may actually make Islam stronger and stronger within the USA. Its not what Obama himself will do as a President, but the many subtle doors he may open that don't really convince me. He can make it easy for Islam to get through. This itself shoult not be an issue, but it sadly is, as Muslims consider that they need to conquer the West (which is represented by the USA and Europe).

I respect your views, however I find this among the least of all things to worry about Obama. The fear of Islam is rooted in ethnocentrism. The U.S.A. is the most religious western nation and has military bases all over the globe, not to mention the most powerful military that's ever existed. Fearing a rise in Islam is, in my own humble opinion, a fear that our culture is under attack and that other rising belief systems must be subverted. It's an argument for hegemony over other cultures.

Though I'm an Obama supporter, I'm still objective. I think the most worrisome thing about him is his globalized, socialistic view of the world. He's not just trying to appease the United States, he's trying to appease the EU and middle eastern nations. If elected, Obama will flush out the NeoConservative administration and bring in new leftist blood. It will be a radical departure from the last 8 years.

I truly believe Obama will deliver on his promise to change America. What the agenda for that change will actually be is a question every American should ask themselves before they vote. I, for one, am willing to take that risk.

[KidneyThief]

I do hope this is a joke. If it isn't I almost feel like laughing at such ignorance, save that I happen to live in this country. And whats this with "we must put a man with military experience in office!" That is quite riduiculous. Politics is somthing more then war. What good is a president who has years of military experience but doesnt know two things about building an economy, and may I remind you that right now, our economy sucks! Now I'm not saying Mccain is a war mongering fool who cant lead our economy, thats president Bush. My point is that military experience isn't everything.

[TheSavant]

And tell me, good sir, what is Obama's military career? Oh that's right - jack shit.

Only in America would people be foolish enough to put a man in charge of the world's most powerful military when said man himself has no military backround.

And tell me this, good sir, what do you have to say about the fact that Obama has many more military backers than does McCain? Are these Generals simply fools, with much less of a military understanding than yourself or you main man McCain? Or maybe they've just been trcked by some of Obama's Muslim witchcraft!

Seriously, though. How does being an apt military man automatically make you a good leader? Abraham Lincoln had no military experiance, niether did Thomas Jefferson, just to name a few very obvious and very well known great presidents. The aim of a president isn 't to know how to wage war. It's to know WHEN to wage war, and NOT to go to war whenever peace is a viable option. The thing about waging war is a president will always have advisers these days who will be able to make good battle decisions for them. What is needed is sound judgement in when we actually need to go to war. Take G Dub's little war in Iraq. Completely uneeded, and has created both a huge national debt and a less patriotic nation. Oh, the littlest Bush had military experiance, and that hasn't kept him from making a mess out of both the Iraq and Afganistan wars. So much for your theory that military experiance makes a good president, eh?

[drDAK]

This is so dumb...

...and wrong on so many levels.

[KeithHybrid]

So you'd rather have another four years of Bush? Because that's what we'll get with McCain.

[JackPhantasm]

Am I correct in this guy assuming that obama is somehow in league with terrorists or extreme islams?

lol

[Gunter45]

At 8/6/08 08:38 PM, Zeistro wrote: And tell me, good sir, what is Obama's military career? Oh that's right - jack shit.

Only in America would people be foolish enough to put a man in charge of the world's most powerful military when said man himself has no military backround.

Lincoln didn't have a military background. Now, my history's a little shaky, but didn't he win a major war?

[JackPhantasm]

Military background would actually be detrimental to a leadership position of this nature in my opinion.

Because a military position is a position of war, you have that constant enemy mentality, I think a president, especially in times such as these where there are many conflicts on multiple levels (not just physical) should be more than just someone who nows how to kill someone.

[Elfer]

This may be true, but you're ignoring the fact that McCain is not only a crypto-muslim, but also an NWO lizardman.

[homor]

this is even dumber then rainbows in the water suply.

[3dgr3dgr3dgr]

lol i hate every one i can vote for so im not!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[homor]

At 8/7/08 01:46 PM, 3dgr3dgr3dgr wrote: lol i hate every one i can vote for so im not!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you aren't even old enough to vote.