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We were having a discussion on another forum about prostitution on a thread that started off about Brian Bates, the video vigilante, a man who uses a camcorder to catch people hiring and banging prostitutes. Most of the people in said forum were in favor of legalizing prostitution. Here were their reasons:

:Anyway I think prostitution should be legal because at least then it could be made less harmful, and controlled. Plus I figure that those who do it, are doing it because they're desperate - being arrested won't change anything, all it means is that they have even LESS chance of getting a 'proper' job. Also if it was legal and therefore the prostitutes had protection there'd be no need for pimps. Plus really - what the fuck is the difference between prostitution and porn? A video camera, that's what.

I believe in prostitution as well. What is so bad about it? Saying that it is morally wrong means nothing. Human beings watch some of the most violent, morally corrupting things on television everyday. However, we are not banning TV are we?
Am I supposed to think that he's doing something good? Well, I really don't. Prostitution is a service, like fixing your car or cleaning your house. How dare this imbecile get in the way of capitalism?!

So, what do you all think?

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Prostitution should absolutely be legal, as long as there is no pimping, forcing or human trade involved.


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If it is leagalized it needs a system ot protect the men & women who'work' in the business.
along with monthly healthcards, etc. something like they do in Amsterdam or the 'chicken farms' out side Las Vegas.
So I guess my vote is yes, with provisions.

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Well I think if they're desperate, they need to go and get a REAL job. Save your money carefully, then get a decent place to live and a better job from there. Controlled prostitution? Sure, make our society even crappier than it already is. It IS morally wrong. Don't we already have whore houses?(are those legal? I think so...but correct me if I'm wrong). If you want secks, go to a bar and pick up some disgusting woman after getting drunk, then wake up next to her finding out what a horrible mistake you just made, or something of that sort. Or find a real woman and have a relationship with her instead of just needing sex. I can't believe how much sex has become something of a 'service'. If you want sex, you can easily find it another way than bitches going around and prostituting. If there is no difference between porn and prostitution, then just do porn. If this screwed up society wasn't so sex hungry in the first place, there wouldn't be a need for pimps either.

There's nothing good that this can bring forth upon our society. Next thing you know, drugs are gonna become legal too, and I'm not just talking about pot either. My vote is a no.

People have been finding sex around town in far more ways than prostitutes. Why should we have to have another?
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Keep it illegal. We already have enough things that promote us reducing ourselves to lower beings with lust even though it seems to no longer have anymore use since no one is being conceived out of it.


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At 8/5/08 02:19 PM, animehater wrote: Keep it illegal. We already have enough things that promote us reducing ourselves to lower beings with lust even though it seems to no longer have anymore use since no one is being conceived out of it.

When the only reason for something being illegal is some assertion that it demeans humanity, but any actual suffering cannot be discerned, then it should be legal.

Prostitution is bad because it's illegal; it's dangerous and cruel because it's illegal. I have no desire to fuck a hooker (well not much desire) but that doesn't mean no-one else can. There should be an active attempt to legitimise the black market in all cases.

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At 8/5/08 02:27 PM, Earfetish wrote:
At 8/5/08 02:19 PM, animehater wrote: stuff

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At 8/5/08 12:13 PM, drDAK wrote: Yeah. I agree with the above that there should be no forcing at all.

The only reason that human trafficking can continue to exist is because prostitution is illegal. If there was a licensing system it would be near-impossible to do it.

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At 8/5/08 02:47 PM, Elfer wrote:
At 8/5/08 12:13 PM, drDAK wrote: Yeah. I agree with the above that there should be no forcing at all.
The only reason that human trafficking can continue to exist is because prostitution is illegal. If there was a licensing system it would be near-impossible to do it.

Well, with the exception of underaged prostitution. Unless you are going to license that too? :o

Anyway, if it is treated as any real job, then the government will want to tax it, and people will do it black and undercover to avoid that. Same shit, different color.

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At 8/5/08 02:54 PM, Drakim wrote: Well, with the exception of underaged prostitution. Unless you are going to license that too? :o

Well, since underaged sex is already pretty much illegal, that's kind of a moot point. It's illegal by virtue of under-aginess, not by virtue of prostitutionality.

Anyway, if it is treated as any real job, then the government will want to tax it, and people will do it black and undercover to avoid that. Same shit, different color.

There'd be a great reduction in demand with the introduction of legitimate trade. The problem with trying to set up black market prostitution is that it covers variable supply to a fixed territory rather than fixed supply to a variable territory.

Essentially, hookers are not as easy to move around as cigarettes.

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Is this a serious question?

Obviously, no.


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At 8/5/08 03:10 PM, Neonical wrote: Is this a serious question?

Obviously, no.

wel done sir, you've changed my mind forever

finally I see prostitution through a prohibitionist's eyes

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At 8/5/08 11:27 AM, KeithHybrid wrote: A video camera, that's what.

Whats the difference between a drug trafficker and a businessman?

The law? LOL.

Besides basic moral principles (dont steal, kill, etc.) when it comes to drugs, prostitution, gambling, (and im sure the list will expand) the law is really fucked up thing if you think about it: Human beings, no different than any other, using assumed power which is tolerated by other people, often with uninformed opinions, condemning other people to jail.

I know its a very anarchist viewpoint, but it really bothers me.

sorry for going off topic but yes i agree prostitution should be legalized

somebody said:

its morally wrong

Don't assume you can define what is morally correct, what authority do you have over anybody else?


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At 8/5/08 02:54 PM, Drakim wrote: Anyway, if it is treated as any real job, then the government will want to tax it, and people will do it black and undercover to avoid that. Same shit, different color.

Using that logic people should always be going out to buy smuggled cigarettes and alcohol that's made in peoples basements. They don't normally, due to the fact that the quality of the goods isn't copnstant and they can be more dangerous.

Same goes for prostitution. Why would people go to a backstreet and risk getting an STD when they can go to a legal brothel where the gals are going to be clean, they aren't gonna have to fork out for condoms as they'll be provided for them, and be in more comfortable surroundings?


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People actually trust the government to run prostitution? L O L

I don't see why not. What is prostitution and why is it hated? It being so-called degrading to women and that no one should be paid to have sex.

But what is the porn industry? Being pimp'd out by a major corporation for sexual practices so it can make money.


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At 8/5/08 03:51 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:
At 8/5/08 02:54 PM, Drakim wrote: Anyway, if it is treated as any real job, then the government will want to tax it, and people will do it black and undercover to avoid that. Same shit, different color.
Using that logic people should always be going out to buy smuggled cigarettes and alcohol that's made in peoples basements. They don't normally, due to the fact that the quality of the goods isn't copnstant and they can be more dangerous.

Same goes for prostitution. Why would people go to a backstreet and risk getting an STD when they can go to a legal brothel where the gals are going to be clean, they aren't gonna have to fork out for condoms as they'll be provided for them, and be in more comfortable surroundings?

I think it's a real possibility simply due to the culture surrounding it. Here in Norway, we have a big problem with home-made alcohol despite that it's banned, and that you can buy a lot of it perfectly in the store. So it's not an obvious choice, as you present it.

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I do love how people think that simply legalizing anything and calling on the government to solve the problem, will actually solve the problem.

The same group that says beauty pagents are degrading to women are the same groups who say "what's the big deal" with prostitution. Oh, the double standards of it all.

It reminds me of one particular arguement for abortion. Legalizing abortions would lead to a decrease in crime because women wouldn't be forced to raise children.

What did it lead to?

More people engaging in sexual activity out of wedlock.
Less women getting married after becoming pregnant.
A rise of single mothers.

CRAZY!


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At 8/5/08 04:16 PM, Memorize wrote: What did it lead to?

More people engaging in sexual activity out of wedlock.
Less women getting married after becoming pregnant.
A rise of single mothers.

CRAZY!

Prove legalised abortion led to this, and not, say, contraceptives, or the suffragette movement, or changes in divorce law. <off topic>

yes, the porn industry is legalised prostitution. Funny you can pay someone for sex if you film it and put it on the internet.

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At 8/5/08 04:24 PM, Earfetish wrote:
Prove legalised abortion led to this, and not, say, contraceptives, or the suffragette movement, or changes in divorce law. <off topic>

yes, the porn industry is legalized prostitution. Funny you can pay someone for sex if you film it and put it on the internet.

That is an excellent loophole to be exploited.

I'm in favor of legalizing it and making it a legit buisness for all the above reasons.

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At 8/5/08 04:16 PM, Memorize wrote: I do love how people think that simply legalizing anything and calling on the government to solve the problem, will actually solve the problem.

The beauty is that these are the same people who want the government off their backs.


The same group that says beauty pagents are degrading to women are the same groups who say "what's the big deal" with prostitution. Oh, the double standards of it all.

It's like whoever in the first post compaired it to violence on tv. Watching stuff on tv and doing it are different things. Are you (them, not you) so media soaked that you can't make that distinction?


It reminds me of one particular arguement for abortion. Legalizing abortions would lead to a decrease in crime because women wouldn't be forced to raise children.

What did it lead to?

More people engaging in sexual activity out of wedlock.

People are gonna fuck. It's how we are. Eductation is the key.

Less women getting married after becoming pregnant.
A rise of single mothers.

How dare they not marry the guy who knocked them up because that's clearly the path for a good home.


CRAZY!

Oh yeah. Back to the topic I could see how some very limited and liceneced system could be defencible. Still I don't see small towns greeting the corner whorehouse.

I have nothing against people who can use pot and lead a productive life. It's these sanctimonius hippies that make me wish I was a riot cop in the 60's

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At 8/5/08 02:47 PM, Elfer wrote:
At 8/5/08 12:13 PM, drDAK wrote: Yeah. I agree with the above that there should be no forcing at all.
The only reason that human trafficking can continue to exist is because prostitution is illegal. If there was a licensing system it would be near-impossible to do it.

I am against legalizing prostitution if this is the solution. In no way should anyone need a license to fuck.


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At 8/5/08 04:16 PM, Memorize wrote: What did it lead to?

More people engaging in sexual activity out of wedlock.

Truly an abomination of epic proportions. I mean, society pretty much collapses when people have sex without having an old man in white bless them before they do it.

Or maybe...just maybe, it's not about sex outside marriage, but sex outside an established solid relationship? You know, random sex with strangers?

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At 8/5/08 05:23 PM, Drakim wrote: You know, random sex with strangers?

I'm still convinced it's not a big deal if you're safe and it doesn't damage your life anyway. And you stop when it does.

Not appealing to me, but do what you like.

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Lol, good fucking luck convincing the majority of Congress and a President to agree to this.

Seriously, it's not going to happen.

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At 8/5/08 07:13 PM, Christopherr wrote: Lol, good fucking luck convincing the majority of Congress and a President to agree to this.

Seriously, it's not going to happen.

Actually, you're probably half-right. It's not going to happen

anytime soon. Major social changes take time. Slavery existed in the American Colonies for 200 years before the U.S.A. was created, and existed for another hundred years despite the continuing efforts of abolitionists. But in the end, the abolition of slavery was inevitable, because public opinion had gradually changed over time until a majority wanted to abolish it. The prohibition against prostitution faces the same inevitable demise... more and more people favor it, so it's eventually going to happen.


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I love it when a whole bunch of adolescent or younger kids start talking about issues about which they are far too immature to fully comprehend. "Religion is for sheep! Nothing is wrong with prostitution! A single mother is just as effective as a mother and father together!"
Really, people, collective values and relationships are far, far more complicated than you could possibly realize, especially regarding sex. I hate to break it to you, but there is more to life, more to constructing values than simply "not hurting people."

Prostitution is morally repugnant to most people (and I say most people because there are only brothels in some counties in Nevada out of a nation of over 300 million) because it rips away the entire basis of how men and women operate on a civilized level. We are not animals. We resist our base urges. These are justifications that grew out of real, legitimate concerns (such as diseases, unwanted pregnancies, inheritance disputes, and an overall pain in the ass situation to deal with). And when you have a government that supposedly represents society give an endorsement of meaningless, carnal sex, that pisses people off, for good reason. There are a lot of liberties in the US, but these don't constitute any sort of approval (there's no law against masturbation, but try bringing it up in normal conversation). And even though we acknowledge that some people are going to waste their lives gambling, drinking, or other vices, we aren't about to take active measures to provide yet another outlet for deadbeats and losers and in so doing implicitly encourage them to make use of it.

"When the only reason for something being illegal is some assertion that it demeans humanity, but any actual suffering cannot be discerned, then it should be legal."

Sounds like quite an argument in favor of buggery, if you ask me. Or maybe just wanton torture of animals, since they aren't people, after all.


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I love it when people think they are more mature than others. It's so hilarious.


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At 8/5/08 08:36 PM, adrshepard wrote: Sounds like quite an argument in favor of buggery, if you ask me.

Buggery? You mean, homosexual sodomy? Well it is.

Or maybe just wanton torture of animals, since they aren't people, after all.

Suffering is easily discerned there, it's incredibly obviously a form of suffering. What a crappy retort.

If people want to have sex that you don't like, then let them. Stop acting like your extra 3 years have made you a social genius. It's actually quite simple.

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At 8/5/08 05:23 PM, Drakim wrote:

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Truly an abomination of epic proportions. I mean, society pretty much collapses when people have sex without having an old man in white bless them before they do it.

Or maybe...just maybe, it's not about sex outside marriage, but sex outside an established solid relationship? You know, random sex with strangers?

And of course, if you paid any attention to my previous posts, you would realize that I consider marrige as merely a commitment to each other, not a state recognition.

But you tell me, where does this "social collapse" come from? Oh... right... people like you. Tsk tsk.

You know... do what feels right, isn't it? Who are you to decide morals? Who are you to say what is right and wrong?

lol. People like you are the social collapse, or at the very least, the end result of it.


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