Looking to hire a Flash Game Develo

[davideo7]

I'm looking for someone to be "sorta" my partner for a flash game website (but I will also sorta be your boss since I will be paying you hourly).

Some of the games we will be developing are Christian games.

Pre-requisites (and please say you agree to each of these conditions):
-Must be a Christian
-Must be a Conservative (or atleast have mostly conservative views)
-Willing to work for around $10 an hour (for now, this will be more in the future)
-Willing to put in up to 20 hours a week (possibly more if you want more hours)
-Have to have experience with developing quality flash games

I'm looking to begin working with someone and paying them for their work as early as next week!

[GustTheASGuy]

This is the wrong forum, and paying hourly is impossible remotely. Repost and show some examples of your work for credibility.

[DearonElensar]

$10 is very low :/

[VigilanteNighthawk]

At 7/31/08 03:19 PM, davideo7 wrote: I'm looking for someone to be "sorta" my partner for a flash game website (but I will also sorta be your boss since I will be paying you hourly).

Some of the games we will be developing are Christian games.

Pre-requisites (and please say you agree to each of these conditions):
-Must be a Christian
-Must be a Conservative (or atleast have mostly conservative views)

You are aware that requiring that someone be of a certain religion for work is, with very few exceptions, considered discrimination and is hence illegal within the United States. You could require that someone be familiar with Christian Doctrine and Conservative values, but you cannot require that they actually be Christian themselves.

-Willing to work for around $10 an hour (for now, this will be more in the future)
-Have to have experience with developing quality flash games

You get what you pay for. You can have it cheap or you can have done well. You don't buy fillet mignon for the price of a McDonald's hamburger.

[Jon-86]

At 7/31/08 03:38 PM, DearonElensar wrote: $10 is very low :/

$10 / £5 an hour isnt low. Thats actually quite decent if not one of the best work offers that have been posted here in a long time!

[DearonElensar]

At 7/31/08 04:12 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 7/31/08 03:38 PM, DearonElensar wrote: $10 is very low :/

$10 / £5 an hour isnt low. Thats actually quite decent if not one of the best work offers that have been posted here in a long time!

A good flash developer should easily make more money then that.

[DanBomer]

Wrong forum.

[elbekko]

At 7/31/08 04:12 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 7/31/08 03:38 PM, DearonElensar wrote: $10 is very low :/

$10 / £5 an hour isnt low. Thats actually quite decent if not one of the best work offers that have been posted here in a long time!

You're kidding, right?

[smulse]

At 7/31/08 04:44 PM, elbekko wrote:

At 7/31/08 04:12 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 7/31/08 03:38 PM, DearonElensar wrote: $10 is very low :/

$10 / £5 an hour isnt low. Thats actually quite decent if not one of the best work offers that have been posted here in a long time!

You're kidding, right?

Nope. £5.52 is minimum wage in the UK.

[different]

At 7/31/08 04:12 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 7/31/08 03:38 PM, DearonElensar wrote: $10 is very low :/

$10 / £5 an hour isnt low. Thats actually quite decent if not one of the best work offers that have been posted here in a long time!

It is, actually, a top paying job around these parts. ;-)

[Afro-Ninja]

At 7/31/08 04:12 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

At 7/31/08 03:38 PM, DearonElensar wrote: $10 is very low :/

$10 / £5 an hour isnt low. Thats actually quite decent if not one of the best work offers that have been posted here in a long time!

flash and web design are specialized labor, anything of that nature as far as I'm concerned should start at 20$/ hour (skill level providing)

[different]

At 7/31/08 05:26 PM, Afro-Ninja wrote: flash and web design are specialized labor, anything of that nature as far as I'm concerned should start at 20$/ hour (skill level providing)

I think you're missing Jon's point here; which is, around here we get many many 'job opportunities' which usually consist of working for nothing, or a nominal fee at the end. If you're looking for work around here, this is one of the better deals going, ;-)

(of course, you'd never want to take this job seriously for 10 bucks an hour)

[Jessii]

Right, can we go back to "discrimination is illegal and you can be sued for it?"

[Jon-86]

At 7/31/08 04:37 PM, DearonElensar wrote: A good flash developer should easily make more money then that.

At 7/31/08 04:44 PM, elbekko wrote: You're kidding, right?

At 7/31/08 05:26 PM, Afro-Ninja wrote: flash and web design are specialized labor, anything of that nature as far as I'm concerned should start at 20$/ hour (skill level providing)

I should have made it clearer. Yeah I know this is too low. Hell im not busting my ass of in Uni for minimum wage I would just be a cleaner or something if I was looking to be a slave for the rest of my life.

But the point was already made, its quite decent compared to the normal offers. The fact the person even put the amount they will be paying is a step in the right direction. Maybe they dont know how much they should be paying. But you guys are right its really not enough.

And yeah religious discrimination is bad. What would Jesus think of that? We should be looking to convert the non-believers, lest they be damned to hell for all eternity.

[davideo7]

Well obviously it'd be really retarded for me to hire athiests to develop christian games. The person I'd hire would have to be familiar with the bible enough that they would know what they are making the game about. Additionally, this isn't a full time job, it's not even a real job, so there's no laws against this.

Also, $10 an hour isn't bad considering I don't require a college education, you can do it right from home (saves you gas right there) and I already said that later on I'd pay more.

And sorry for putting this into the wrong forum, was unsure which forum it belonged to.

[Jon-86]

At 7/31/08 08:15 PM, davideo7 wrote: And sorry for putting this into the wrong forum, was unsure which forum it belonged to.

Thats not a problem. But I dont see how requireing people to be devout christians will help you in any way. Infact Your options will be severly reduced. You give a developer a spec (a detailed specification) of what you want and they develop it. They dont need to know anything about it.

And this is true for the real world of software development also. When say a specific piece of software needs to be written lets just say for a power satation or something. Am I going to know the safety margins? No! And thats where you get specialists in thei field that the developer consults with to make sure its what is required if the spec cant go into that much detail.

So that means its plain discrimination on your part. And going about your business or beliefes or causes with that mentality will only serve to alinate neuteral people and turn them against you. Trust me on that one, its something that I know all too well about!

[elbekko]

Are you implying atheïsts know nothing about the Bible? You need to know something in order to reject it, you know.

[davideo7]

Tell me, would a church hire an athiest to teach a sunday school of children about the bible?

Probably not. Likewise, the person who is going to be my developer is also going to sorta be my partner, help me come up with game idea's for kids and such. Of course they are going to do a lot of the programming.

I don't know why I'm being attacked by so many of you, why does it matter to you guys if choose to do it the way I am? I regret posting this offer on newgrounds, full of to many angry kids.

[citricsquid]

At 8/1/08 09:33 AM, davideo7 wrote: I don't know why I'm being attacked by so many of you, why does it matter to you guys if choose to do it the way I am? I regret posting this offer on newgrounds, full of to many angry kids.

Because you're offering to pay someone the minimum wage to make your games, come up with ideas and they must be christian.

For one, flash developers are very talented, you don't pay someone who has skills that are hard to come by the minimum wage, you pay them well because their skills are important.

[Jon-86]

Your missing the point here, the person who would be developing this game would not be teaching your faith. I bet I could come up with loads of game ideas that you could use. AAnd generic ideas can be used with many different themes.

For example tetris thats not a christian game, but if you were to make the tetrahedrons comprise of christian symbology then their you go christian-tetris game. Or even a tomb-rader style platform game. Swap Lara croft for Jesus and have him explore different parts of the world.

At 8/1/08 09:33 AM, davideo7 wrote: I don't know why I'm being attacked by so many of you, why does it matter to you guys if choose to do it the way I am? I regret posting this offer on newgrounds, full of to many angry kids.

Your not being attacked, I and anyone else who posted is simply pointing out your errors in the way your going about your business. I come from a mixed family of catholics and protestants and I was tought in a mixed scchool. I dont believe in any religeon but im not totaly ignorant to what other people believe.

And it dosnt matter to anyone, people here couldnt care less about what you decide to do thats up to you. And yeah Newgrounds is full of loads of angry kids, this site is one big cock-joke as far as anyone cares. Although you must be confusing the Programming forum with General.

[Rustygames]

It is illegal to require an employee to be of a certain religion. Also, $10 is less than minimum wage, again, this is illegal

[Jon-86]

At 8/1/08 10:13 AM, Rustygames wrote: again, this is illegal

Do you know what law covers that? I'm not sure if it counts for potential employees or current employees. But I dont think anyone in their right mind would want to work for someone as bigoted as this anyway. Artists tend to be the more relaxed kind of people.

[DearonElensar]

At 8/1/08 10:03 AM, Jon-86 wrote: Or even a tomb-rader style platform game. Swap Lara croft for Jesus and have him explore different parts of the world.

I don't think his conservative audiance will like that ;)

At 8/1/08 09:33 AM, davideo7 wrote: I don't know why I'm being attacked by so many of you, why does it matter to you guys if choose to do it the way I am? I regret posting this offer on newgrounds, full of to many angry kids.

We are actually quite polite and all compared to what you may see in general.
We are not attacking you as such, we just see problems with your proposal and as such we react to that :)

[Rustygames]

I'd happily do freelance. If it isn't a full time job, I'd be asking for more then my usual salary, not less. Usually I'd take time an a half but since I'm completely backed up with work, I'd have to say $60 an hour. This is the going rate for a decent developer working in his spare time by the hour.

So yea my offer is $60 per hour, and that's not being greedy, I'd honestly be losing money if I didn't charge you that.

[Relish]

You could have just said in the job requirements "Has a good knowledge of the Bible"... Rather then require a certain religion.

At 8/1/08 10:13 AM, Rustygames wrote: It is illegal to require an employee to be of a certain religion. Also, $10 is less than minimum wage, again, this is illegal

I believe average minimum wage in the US is $7.50/hr.