SNP win Glasgow east by-election !

[Jon-86]

For those in the UK that dont watch the news but care about this. The SNP win over Labour in the East of Glasgow came as a shock. And while it was close, with only 365 votes in it the fact this seat has actually been challenged and taken from the Labour party which is something people didnt think possible just a few years ago. And the fact this area "has always voted Labour" speaks volumes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/
jul/25/glasgoweast.byelections4?gusrc=rs s&feed=politics

What annoys me about it though, is two things. They tried to say this was simply down to nationalists and independence, and the comments about it being anti-brown. Well its just idiotic to think people voting on something local are only doing it in the "interest of Scottish independence" and we dont hate brown we just dont like Labour all together. Why??? Because they didnt lift a finger. So now its time to see if the SNP will get their finger out.

Interesting times ahead, but it is interesting to point out that even though it was a local election. It was fought by two different governments. The labor government in Westminster and the SNP government in Holyrood. Which is a first :)

Anyone think the SNP will do any better?

[SmilezRoyale]

What does SPN stand for [it will be easier for me to look up the information if i know what it's complete name is]

[n64kid]

At 7/25/08 05:50 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: What does SPN stand for

I believe Scottish national party.

[Leap]

I for one am glad (and I'm English!) People are now seeing the dammage that Labour has caused during their time in power. The only reason Labour hasn't heckling from the opposition benches for the last few years was Tony Blair and his Spin Machine. Honestly, I never liked the oiley little bastard but I will give him this, he knew how to work a crowd.

Brown on the other hand has all the flaws of TB but none of the redeaming qualities. I blambe him (to a certain extent) for the current ecconomical position the UK is in (bleak) and the direction it's heading (bleaker) Normaly a prime minister in this possition would blame the previous chancellor, however in this instance everyone else is doing it for him.

That'll teach that missirable Scottish bastard! ;)

[Jon-86]

Yeah, but our current situation is only a result of whats happening in the world anyway, so you cant blame him for that. His popularity has died a quick death because he let people think that he was incapable.

[Leap]

At 7/25/08 07:54 PM, Jon-86 wrote: Yeah, but our current situation is only a result of whats happening in the world anyway, so you cant blame him for that. His popularity has died a quick death because he let people think that he was incapable.

You're right, the international suitation is a major factor in all this, but I do blame him for failing to save when the money was rolling (oh and HOW it rolled in!). I blame him for frittering away our tax money on pointless political gestures, knee jerk policies and thousands of pointless little laws. Labour is so busy making sure that everyone CONFORMS that they never actually do anything USEFULL.

Their attitude on gun ownership is hoplessley niave as well.

[Jon-86]

At 7/25/08 08:12 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: I think this election should be looked upon more as a failure for Labour than as a victory for the SNP, and I really can't see the majority of Scotland voting for independence on the referendum.

True, that really was the case. And the fact the SNP care more about business tax makes you wonder if they actually will do anything. Saying that though. If they do make life easier for people. Then thats loads of people they will be wining come election time.

As for the referendum, a think the country is evenly split on that, and a have no idea how its going to go down. But a support it.

At 7/25/08 08:21 PM, Leap wrote: You're right, the international suitation is a major factor in all this, but I do blame him for failing to save when the money was rolling (oh and HOW it rolled in!). I blame him for frittering away our tax money on pointless political gestures, knee jerk policies and thousands of pointless little laws. Labour is so busy making sure that everyone CONFORMS that they never actually do anything USEFULL.

Their attitude on gun ownership is hoplessley niave as well.

Good point, it almost makes you cringe or laugh? A don't know its almost as bad as that "Hug a hoodie" bullshite the Conservatives came out with. As for the handgun laws. That was done for a reason. It might have been a quick response to a natioanl tragedy. But that dosnt concern me as much as where they went supporting the war on terror, and how they are slowly using that to take away our rights and control us.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

The only thing I care about is how shitty the Lib dems did. We came below the Conservatives....IN SCOTLAND. The Scots hate the Tories...

This is what Nick Clegg has done to us with his shiity ' lets pretend to be David Cameron/ Tony Blair' attitude.

[D2Kvirus]

To be frank, you can't go from having a 13,000+ majority to losing by 365 votes without there being more than a hint of anti-Labour and anti-Brown in there. You just don't have a swing like that unless the winning party does something exceptional to appeal to the voters, or the incumbant does the opposite.

[Jon-86]

anti-brown no, anti-labout yes, people up here couldnt care one way or the other about brown. But it seemed to me on the days after and in the run up every single reporter pressed people for their comment on brown and what they think will happen to him as labour leader. As if to make a story out of nothing.

[D2Kvirus]

At 7/26/08 01:30 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: What gets me is that a lot of people don't know why they hate the government, they just do.

A wee man on the news the other night was like, "Ah've votit labour aw ma life, but nivir again, NIVIR AGAIN! Ah'm votin' SNP this time!" So the reporter was obviously like, "Why?" And the wee guy just went, "Ah, you know why!"

You have to admire the guy - he doesn't know what he's voting for but, my God, he's committed to the cause!

[ThePretenders]

At least the Scottish people don't hate Gordon Brown personally, unlike the English.

"OMG, GORDEN MCBROON IS A FAT SCOTTISH BASTARD!"

[Jon-86]

Seriously now??? A thought that "racist undertone" stuff, was a load of rubbish. Didn't think racism existed in politics. Poor show chaps :P

[SmilezRoyale]

At 7/26/08 01:30 PM, MickTheChampion wrote: What gets me is that a lot of people don't know why they hate the government, they just do.

Works both ways... Very harmfull to democracy, when people feel anger without actually adressing the cause.

[D2Kvirus]

At 7/27/08 07:33 AM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 7/26/08 05:04 PM, Jon-86 wrote: Seriously now??? A thought that "racist undertone" stuff, was a load of rubbish. Didn't think racism existed in politics. Poor show chaps :P

There has been a quite startling racist undertone in the criticisms I see of Brown in the English papers, if he was black or a Jew there'd have been an uproar.

When Brown was campaigning in England last year the Conservative Party hired somebody to go around in a kilt and play the bagpipes, following him all day. It's disgusting.

The thing is, the SNP (and Plaid Cymru) both use it regularly themselves, always playing on Scotland/Wales being run from Holyrood/The Welsh Assembly instead of Westminster, which coincidentally happens to be in London, which is in England. You know, the country that invaded and subjegated both populations at regular intervals over the last millenia.

Of course, Daily Mail readers think that England is being run by a Scottish conspiracy led by Gordon Brown, as well as Scottish-born and/or bred Alastair Darling, Des Browne, Douglas Alexander, Yvette Cooper...and that's it, actually, as the rest are English born and bred (with the exception of Ruth Kelly, but she's a f'n idiot anyway so nobody cares).

[mrdurgan]

I think people just want some form of alternative, now that the ideological left-right divide between labour and conservative is essentially dead. the SNP are the only ones that offer that opposition, well except for the greens, but, yknow...

[Jon-86]

At 7/27/08 07:33 AM, MickTheChampion wrote: There has been a quite startling racist undertone in the criticisms I see of Brown in the English papers, if he was black or a Jew there'd have been an uproar.

I would be surprised at that but you get the same anti-irish racism in the scottish papers. Still though, I have lost respect for the media here and their even more so than I did before.

At 7/27/08 08:46 AM, D2Kvirus wrote: The thing is, the SNP (and Plaid Cymru) both use it regularly themselves, always playing on Scotland/Wales being run from Holyrood/The Welsh Assembly instead of Westminster

A think the point is that their doing this to mock him because of his nationality. Which is a chep tac-tic.

Of course, Daily Mail readers think that England is being run by a Scottish conspiracy led by Gordon Brown, as well as Scottish-born and/or bred Alastair Darling, Des Browne, Douglas Alexander, Yvette Cooper...and that's it, actually, as the rest are English born and bred (with the exception of Ruth Kelly, but she's a f'n idiot anyway so nobody cares).

That seriously cracks me up, if that is true, that must be as embarrasing for England as the huns are for Scotland.

[ThePretenders]

At 7/28/08 12:24 PM, Jon-86 wrote: That seriously cracks me up, if that is true, that must be as embarrasing for England as the huns are for Scotland.

So the Scottish are the new Jews now? They are conspiring with to take over England to establish a socialist republic, with the 'unelected' (technically, all Prime Ministers are unelected) Gordon Brown as the Dear Leader.

[TheGyro]

At 7/27/08 07:33 AM, MickTheChampion wrote:

At 7/26/08 05:04 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

When Brown was campaigning in England last year the Conservative Party hired somebody to go around in a kilt and play the bagpipes, following him all day. It's disgusting.

He should have just given out free shortbread...

[Jon-86]

At 7/28/08 12:59 PM, ThePretenders wrote: So the Scottish are the new Jews now?

A dont think its anything like that. That paper must have a reader base of right-wing arseholes if thats the case, simply using the "auld enemy" rubbish to encourage agression in people, making brainwashing easier. As people tend to diasgree with thoes they blindly hate.

The Scottish Sun done a simlar thing on the Day of the Scottish election (before the SNP won) full front page with the headline "10 reasons not to vote SNP" with mostly famous faces backing this, it seemed like a desperate attpemt to appeal to the unionists. Didnt work though.

At 7/29/08 04:37 PM, TheGyro wrote: shortbread...

That stuff is rottin, it would make poeple run, rather then getting them to vote for you!

[ThePretenders]

At 7/29/08 08:48 PM, Jon-86 wrote:

A dont think its anything like that. That paper must have a reader base of right-wing arseholes if thats the case, simply using the "auld enemy" rubbish to encourage agression in people, making brainwashing easier. As people tend to diasgree with thoes they blindly hate.

The Scottish Sun done a simlar thing on the Day of the Scottish election (before the SNP won) full front page with the headline "10 reasons not to vote SNP" with mostly famous faces backing this, it seemed like a desperate attpemt to appeal to the unionists. Didnt work though.

You took my quote out of context. I was comparing the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world to the Scottish conspiracy about running England.

[smidge111]

I would be surprised at that but you get the same anti-irish racism in the scottish papers.

on a total tangent, the scots hate us irish??!!?? what??

[Jon-86]

At 7/30/08 01:04 PM, ThePretenders wrote: You took my quote out of context. I was comparing the Jewish conspiracy to take over the world to the Scottish conspiracy about running England.

Honestly I didnt mean to. I have never heard of a "Jewish conspiracy to take over the world" but then I looked it up and, have to say wow. How people can buy that bullshit is astounding. Money has already taken over the world. So maybe thoes conspiracy theorists should be looking to hunt down the Romans or whoever made money popular?

Anyway to add to the last point. No the Scots dont hate the Irish. It would be the British people who live in Scotland or traitors are their looked on by people how actually know their countries history. But thats not the worst part. The worst part is the anti-Irish and racist crap they get away with even to this day. Printed in news papers and endorsed under the claim of "banter" which is complete crap. But thats for another thread if anyones interested.