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At 7/26/08 12:23 AM, poxpower wrote: 100% of everyone could believe in unicorns and it wouldn't mean dick.

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I just don't get how you cannot believe in Unicorns !
Although I myself have never seen one I do have a photo of a genuine unicorn horn . I have also held one in my hands . How much more real does it have to get ?
After all when your not a virgin your ability to see a unicorn even accidentally becomes almost impossible, unless of course you happen to be close to a virgin it needs to contact/help !

At 7/26/08 05:38 AM, dySWN wrote: Normally, I would agree - however, in this case, we were arguing about factual credibility as opposed to ideological credibility. One can report the facts in an ideologically biased manner and still be factually credible - hence, euphemisms and dysphemisms.

I would say that manipulation of the facts is what makes a report credible or otherwise; while there are cases where they show stories that fly in the face of reality the vast majority have a certain amount of truth in them. News should always be objective; if I really wished to I could present oxygen or water as incredibly harmful and still be factuaqlly accurate, simply by twisting them in exactly the manner you describe.

The rhetoric, the persuasive tools and the obvious agendas; it is these that truly marks a station's credibility.

At 7/26/08 12:55 AM, misterDAK wrote: True. And if there was some sort of intelligent life out there, I doubt it would resemble humans or anything on earth in any way, shape, or form.

You say "if there was..life out there" as if you don't think it's possible for other lifeforms to be living in the universe. I'm going to guess you are to religious to believe in extraterrestrial life.

At 7/26/08 08:46 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

Although I myself have never seen one I do have a photo of a genuine unicorn horn . I have also held one in my hands . How much more real does it have to get ?

It a picture of a Narwhal horn. A crazy looking whale from the North Pole. And the horn is acually a tooth.

At 7/26/08 10:09 AM, bcdemon wrote: You say "if there was..life out there" as if you don't think it's possible for other lifeforms to be living in the universe. I'm going to guess you are to religious to believe in extraterrestrial life.

Spend some time around me and you will see just how "religious" I am.

By the way, I think we've met.

What's this got to do with Poltergeist?

At 7/26/08 11:36 AM, aninjaman wrote: It a picture of a Narwhal horn. A crazy looking whale from the North Pole. And the horn is acually a tooth.

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Did you photo shop that picture?
Whales don't have long teeth sticking out all over the place !
In your photo... is that like an old whale with only one tooth left?
The North pole is a tiny spot in the Northern Hemisphere showing the "top of the world" how many whales do you think live on that tiny spot ?
1... maybe its a unicorn whale ;)

shhhh, your ruining all the fun :)

norwhales

Ancient mythology attributes the advent of the horse to Poseidon.

I can see some interspecies action going on to create a unicorn. Then they became accustomed to land and when the great flood came Noah didn't have any more room on his boat and they all died :(

At 7/26/08 12:23 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/25/08 11:56 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

When various people in various countries with various values and knowledge of culture make the very same wacky claim, the wacky claim needs to have some degree of merit.

Nooooope.

100% of everyone could believe in unicorns and it wouldn't mean dick.

Only if the the claim is indisputably false... which is what you are implying. Also,

http://www.newser.com/story/29782.html

There's a difference between what is claimed to be reality and what the reality actually is. For example, in the case of unicorns, it is likely that something similar to the one horned deer [from the link above] could have been spotted and misconstrued as a mythological beast of some sort]

1) Plausible Reality; The existence of a one horned deer
2) Multiple confrontations with humans over the course of history
3) Mythological assumption [indesputably false reality] The existence of the unicorn

Now, here's the deal. this one horned dear does not imply the existence of unicorns, but it does provide a more logical explanation for how the idea of a horse-like creature with a horn was conceived. The same thing applies to UFO's

1) [plausible reality] Odd flying objects, government aircraft of some sort spotted in the sky by various peoples.
2) Human interaction...
3) [inplausible reality] UFO'S come from space piloted by aliens.

At 7/26/08 01:26 PM, drDAK wrote:

At 7/26/08 10:09 AM, bcdemon wrote: You say "if there was..life out there" as if you don't think it's possible for other lifeforms to be living in the universe. I'm going to guess you are to religious to believe in extraterrestrial life.

Spend some time around me and you will see just how "religious" I am.

Usually religion is the key for non believers of extraterrestrial life. If I was wrong in my assumption, then I apologize. But let me ask you then, do you think extraterrestrial life is out there?

By the way, I think we've met.

I recall arguing with you about something or other. How ya been?

At 7/26/08 11:40 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

Only if the the claim is indisputably false... which is what you are implying. Also,

Just saying that "look at all the people who's seen this!" or whatever isn't proof of dick-all.

A good piece of evidence is something you can show someone else. I think that's a good rule of thumb to go by. Can other people experience what you claim to have experienced?

http://www.newser.com/story/29782.html

yeah I saw that.
Watch out or the chinese will grind it up to make aphrodisiac powder.

At 7/27/08 01:24 AM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/26/08 11:40 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

Only if the the claim is indisputably false... which is what you are implying. Also,

Just saying that "look at all the people who's seen this!" or whatever isn't proof of dick-all.

A good piece of evidence is something you can show someone else. I think that's a good rule of thumb to go by. Can other people experience what you claim to have experienced?

http://www.newser.com/story/29782.html

yeah I saw that.
Watch out or the chinese will grind it up to make aphrodisiac powder.

There's not alot of concrete proof for much of what is written in history. Much of the ancient historical records come from the Say-so of ancient historians and bureaucrats... Many of them say things in their explanations of the respective dynasties and kingdoms they worked in that are outrageous and clearly false. However, modern historians don't discard historical evidence if they find the maker had a degree of exaggeration and bias; they try and connect it to something that they can prove more empirically. [In the case of ancient history, the best evidence is archeology]

What i am saying is, UFO'S should not be treated as a complete lie that has been repeatedly told over and over, even if they're is little truth behind what is said, there needs to be some explanation for the presence of UFOs that coincides with what we do know or what seems logical, for example, the One horned Deer doesn't prove the unicorn myth, but it does explain where the myth came from.

At 7/27/08 10:52 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

What i am saying is, UFO'S should not be treated as a complete lie that has been repeatedly told over and over

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Historians are very careful to not believe claims that seem really crazy. If they saw an old document about elephants in the arctic, they wouldn't believe it. But when they see an old document about where a castle used to be, why not?
That's extremely mundane.

If you're going to claim spaceships exist, then holy shit you need SOME DAMN GOOD EVIDENCE.

At 7/27/08 01:20 AM, bcdemon wrote: Usually religion is the key for non believers of extraterrestrial life. If I was wrong in my assumption, then I apologize. But let me ask you then, do you think extraterrestrial life is out there?

I do not know yet if I believe in a finite world or infinite world. If the world (and by world I mean universe) is truely infinite, nothing theoretically matters and nothing is limited. Therefore, if it is infinite, I do believe extraterrestrials exist.

And who said these extraterrestrials had to be more evolved than us? Maybe humans are more technologically evolved than these organisms. Perhaps they have not even developed a society at all.

I recall arguing with you about something or other. How ya been?

Yes but I was unapologetically conservative at the time. I'm moderate now with a liberal lean. And I am well, you?

And an even more credible one:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3901 61,00.html

Do you think it could be true? This guy is a pretty solid source so why would he lie?

Foxnews...you were being sarcastic right? if FOX is reporting it then no...it's all lies.

At 7/27/08 11:13 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/27/08 10:52 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote:

What i am saying is, UFO'S should not be treated as a complete lie that has been repeatedly told over and over

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Historians are very careful to not believe claims that seem really crazy. If they saw an old document about elephants in the arctic, they wouldn't believe it. But when they see an old document about where a castle used to be, why not?
That's extremely mundane.

If you're going to claim spaceships exist, then holy shit you need SOME DAMN GOOD EVIDENCE.

I didn't say spaceships, i said Unidentified Flying objects. Any unidentified flying object is subject to the name UFO.