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At 7/24/08 10:00 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote:
Islam is an extreme religion. People blow themselves up, Infidels die, and all decisions are the work of Allah.

But is it so different from Christianity when it started?

No, it isn't. But it doesn't mean that it is right when they (Muslims) bomb people, kill women, and so on. Also, in this very specific statement, you are assuming that the only other religion is Christianity, which is false. Many Buddhists, Hindu, Atheists, Shamanists, (all VERY peaceful people since... ever) etc, also suffer from all the bullcrap Muslim holy wars / campaigns / missions / etc.

Non-Muslim people seem to advocate in favor of Islam a lot lately, often giving the impression that they want their own (non-Muslim) culture gone. Well, I guess Darwin will do his job. He always does.

At 8/6/08 03:30 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote:

What? If they are stupid enough not to think for themselves, they are to blame. Don't give me indoctrination BS. There are countless accounts where free thinkers stood up against what was accepted under the threat of death.

Martin Luther was never under the threat of these people. He could have gotten arrested or shot. Muslim defectors WILL be tortured and killed, and probably their families too, from the religious police.

Also, Martin was never indoctrinated. these people have spent their entire lives hearing nothing but the superiority of Islam. That's hard to work off.

Blacks in the 1960's and earlier were very exposed to countless theories of white supremacy. But still Martin Luther King Jr. stood up and said that we should live together and be equals. His house was bombed, his family was threatened, he was arrested, and finally he was assassinated for his beliefs. How is that not under threat?

"Faith is taking the first step, even when you don't see the whole staircase."
Martin Luther King Jr.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Martin Luther King Jr., Strength to Love, 1963

Muslims have two choices: Either live their lives in fear, or stand up to those who commit atrocities with religion as an excuse.

And again I repeat: Any religion that allows a woman who has been raped to be punished with 200 lashes from a whip, while her rapists walk free does not deserve to exist.

At 7/24/08 10:16 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: one when christianity was formed Christians didnt blow themselves up

two islm is a ripoff of christianity and Judaism because judaism started a thousand years befor christianity and and 1600 befor islam

three christanity started 600 years before islam

One, they didn't really have the supplies to do so. They DID however, start the crusades, which are responsible for many more deaths than Islamic terrorist attacks.

Two, you can't even spell Islam, you obviously know little about it, or even Christianity for that matter. Christianity is much more of a "ripoff" of Judaism then Islam is of Christianity.

Three, what the hell does that have to do with anything?

First of all id like to point out im half English half Arabic and ive lived on both sides of the border so i know what the hell im talking about here.

Islam isnt the reason for terrorism its a rallying call nothing more as religions often are the cause of terrorism is sheer mad desperation and the cause of that desperation is greedy sonovabitch corporations in america and in saudi arabia (mostly) who want the whole area to be a charnel house so they can sneak in and take whatever oil they want.

Once in a lifetime some mad sad idiot might blow up a building because he thinks god told him to.

If it happens more than once in a lifetime (another persons obviously) they might be using god as a comfort blanket but hes really doing it because bombs and wars killed everything in his whole world and all he has left is hate and vengeance and that scares us silly and rightly so. Politicians use islam as a scapegoat because they dont want to tell the pulic that these people from across the sea have so little left to lose that theyre willing to kill themselves for revenge and its all the politician whose saying this's fault. Not the best way to get re elected.

Blacks in the 1960's and earlier were very exposed to countless theories of white supremacy. But still Martin Luther King Jr. stood up and said that we should live together and be equals. His house was bombed, his family was threatened, he was arrested, and finally he was assassinated for his beliefs. How is that not under threat?

eserve to exist.

I never said it deserves to exist.

Also, I must say that you are the most retarded individual on earth to think that white supremacy theories in the 60's are even COMPARABLE to the indoctrination Muslims suffer. Their parents, friends, siblings, teachers, and country all are telling him one thing, he's never heard anything else, and he will die if he doesn't believe in it.

great thread grammer.

At 7/26/08 03:11 AM, zoolrule wrote: American Christians are very peaceful in comparison to any other kind of Muslims in the world.

What about Christians in other parts of the world?

*cough* Lord's Resistance Army *cough*

At 8/8/08 02:27 PM, slowerthenb4 wrote: great thread grammer.

As it receives tons of attention.

i understand and respect his principle arguments too. it never was a question of islam, but a futile attempt at nationalism by a deliberately extreme interpretation and indoctrination of fundamentalism and violence to a group of people that are quarantined off from the rest of the world.

The only reason as to why I don't like Islam is because of what its becoming. Look at where Islam is dominant, those areas are reduced to 3rd world hell holes full of radical extremists who will kill anyone who does not believe their religion, why the hell do you think we are at war with them, they want to KILL us and follow their radical ways s we all can live in poverty, and use means of violence to get our word across, Christians didn't blow up buildings, detonate car bombs or kill people to get their word across, The Bible tells us to respect other religions, Islam tells their believers to kill non-believers. If anybody was to bring Judaism into this, its completely untrue that they killed people. They were the first ones here and ALSO were the one group of people who were killed off and discriminated against all throughout history and its not just during the Holocaust. I do not want anything to do with Islam, it is too radical and extremist and you can clearly see the results of it in our world today.

At 8/8/08 09:45 PM, LilJon6071 wrote: The only reason as to why I don't like Islam is because of what its becoming.

It have always been like that.

At 8/8/08 09:45 PM, LilJon6071 wrote:

Christians didn't blow up buildings, detonate car bombs or kill people to get their word across,

They didn't have the technology and the God of the Old-Testament would have approved.

The Bible tells us to respect other religions,

Or destroy them by proxy by trying to convert all other people of different faiths through devious envangelization.

At 8/8/08 10:50 PM, zoolrule wrote: It have always been like that.

0/10

I dont bash on religions but i must admit screaming "FOR ALLAAAAAAH" while driving by in a car is very entertaining.

What's funny is how many people here seem to be associating the terrorists in the Middle East with the entire religion. Those who blow themselves up and extremists, and the last time I checked, the Koran was actually pretty peaceful. There are extremists in every religion, and there are those who think anyone who doesn't believe in the same thing they do should either die or convert. Another entertaining fact is that the Christian/Catholic religion and their denominations are actually responsible for the most bloodshed in history.

The few Islamic people I know feel humiliated by what terrorists are doing; therefore, I don't feel any hatred towards the religion. I feel hatred for the individuals who feel the need to kill in the name of their religion. It especially worries me knowing that my brother is in Iraq.

At 8/9/08 05:10 AM, Xtesh wrote: Does the LRA really look like a group of people that have read the New Testament?

No. The individual members of the LRA, and Muslim extremists are to blame for their atrocities, not the beliefs that they've turned into propaganda.

I completely agree, I was just pointing out that Islam isn't the only religion that's currently radicalized.

At 8/8/08 07:18 PM, Coherent wrote: What about Christians in other parts of the world?

*cough* Lord's Resistance Army *cough*

Context, my friend - it's important.

At 8/9/08 01:09 AM, Coherent wrote:

At 8/8/08 10:50 PM, zoolrule wrote: It have always been like that.

0/10

0/10 yourself, stop being obsessed with me.

At 8/4/08 12:29 PM, lapis wrote:

At 8/4/08 04:40 AM, WolvenBear wrote:

Right, so this is what we've established: you were making it look like I needed to constantly call you names during that discussion but it was you who constantly needed to bring up the name calling (which, like I said before, was a response to your childish summary of the discussion in the earlier thread) to cloud the poor level of substance in the rest of your posts. Every single reference to bigotry or Islamophobia in that thread was brought up by you, followed by me telling you to stop whining. This was an issue that you found relevant enough to constantly bring up, not me.

Shrug, that's simply the way it is. I have no desire to pretend like youre a masterful debater. Your entire argument was that I hated Islam. Because, you know, you suck at the whole debate thing. All the references to Islamophobia were references to what you said about me. Sorry.

Yeah, right. You know Wolven, real winners don't need to constantly try to convince others of their superiority as they have nothing that they need to prove.

Yawn. Awww, it's bute. It admits it can't debate. Awww.

How ridiculously irrelevant, there is no verse that is abrogated by 2:144 so this has nothing to do with nussâkh and mansûkhât. In the sentence that contained the very first time I used the word abrogation in that thread (second post) I said I was talking about verses annulling other verses. For fuck's sake, you have no idea what I wrote in that thread, I guess it's easy that way to pretend that you kept hauling ass in every discussion we had.

I keep "pretending" I kept hauling as because I did. If the argument is "abrogation is not in the Quran" your argument is null and void. There's not a single Islamic school that accepts that argument. So um, every school of Islam acknowleges the cahnge in direction of prayer. That undermines your entire point.

Hahaha, that's fantastic. Fucking A. This warrants a picture. FIRST POST I made in troubles1's thread, the first one in which we EVER talked about Islam. Now what's that word I used about justified violence? Could it be ....... retaliatory???

I addressed that too. The sequence of events went like the following:

YOu: There's no violence in the Quran.
Me: You're a moron. There's tons of violence.
You: Well....well...well ts retalatory.
Me: Well, yea. Sometimes.

But that a hell of a long way from "their is no violence"....

Great conclusion, I now know why you think you owned me in every debate we've been in:
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE THREADS

Haha. Cheers, Wolven.

I think I owned you cause I'm always right and you're always wrong?

Let's call it like it is. I think I'm smArter than you cause I....well, I AM.

At 8/4/08 12:30 PM, lapis wrote:

Of course those who martyr themselves for Islam martyr themselves for Islam.

Fuck you're an imbecile.

It's hard to compare how popular Islam was back then, because the threat of the Cold War may have subverted peoples' attention from them, but I'll stand by the fact (Or at least I certainly believe so) that Islam's time is NAO.

So..."I don't know what I'm talking about BUT!"

Haha, it took you, what, six days to write that tripe? I'm not going to waste my energy by spending more than a few sentences on stating the obvious anymore: I win, end of discussion. Go bother someone who has time for you.

Hai WolvenBear.

At 8/11/08 05:04 AM, WolvenBear wrote: I addressed that too. The sequence of events went like the following:

YOu: There's no violence in the Quran.
Me: You're a moron. There's tons of violence.
You: Well....well...well ts retalatory.
Me: Well, yea. Sometimes.

But that a hell of a long way from "their is no violence"....

Let's get something meaningful out of you for a change. This representation of events is actually something that you can easily prove to be correct: you link to a thread, name the date and time of the post in which I said "there's no violence" and then your post replying to me in which you said something that boiled down to "there's tons of violence". Because I just went through my post history and my very first post in which I ever talked about the Qur'an (not to you) contained me saying that violence against aggressors is justified, which makes the violence retaliatory.

SO,
name the thread and the dates and the times of the posts and I'll admit defeat. Fail and you've proven yourself to be full of shit.