Don't Hate Islam.

[GrammerNaziElite]

Christianity kicked off about 800 years after it was formed, when Europe, which was the center of the world back then, decided to have holy wars with each other and start a Crusade.

Now, Christianity was pretty extreme back when it was first formed, and so were the nations that sponsored it. Outsiders were required to follow its laws, and those who didn't were often exiled or executed. Holy Wars, violence, death, all under the benevolent eye of the lord. For all intents and purposes, Christianity has been almost completely redone over the years, as there are (supposedly) no more Holy Wars, and overall there is much less of the whole sacrificing animals business.

Now, Islam has been around for a good deal of time, but only lately has it REALLY kicked off, drawing almost a third of the world's population in its grip.

Islam is an extreme religion. People blow themselves up, Infidels die, and all decisions are the work of Allah.

But is it so different from Christianity when it started?

Oh, of course the Holy Books are different, and most of the ideas, but the level of extremity is almost the same.

Islam is stuck 1,000 years in the past, but it is not barbaric.

I'm not sure why people would believe in it, certainly when there are so much more accommodating false religions to live by. But certainly everybody in their life has done something stupid that nobody can understand, so converting to Islam must just be a stupid decision that shows up on paper more often.

Just to make it clear, I hate all religion, but I hate them all equally, and any dislike I have for any particular system of belief lies not in the ways of said belief, but in my own ignorance.

So by all means, fight Islam, but realize that by hating them, personally and individually, you have topped their level of ignorance. They may believe something that should have evolved 1,000 years ago, but they are no different then we were back then and bigots have been regarded as fools since the beginning of civilization.

If you wish to discuss this matter with me, do so with dignity, respect, and proper grammar.

[yourefat]

At 7/24/08 10:00 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: If you wish to discuss this matter with me, do so with dignity, respect, and proper grammar.

I'm not an innocent since I don't believe in Islam, therefore I could be raped, killed, tortured, or outcast by a Muslim and they would still go to paradise. The Koran has very little contradictions compared to the Bible so it's not a matter of interpretation. You either believe all the doctrine or you're not Muslim. Why should I show respect to that or any other religion?

[GrammerNaziElite]

At 7/24/08 10:08 PM, yourefat wrote:

Show respect to all religions or none of them. If you lived in England in 1,100, you WOULD be Catholic. No exceptions. Or you would die. It's perfectly fine to think Islam is behind the times, but don't HATE it.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

one when christianity was formed Christians didnt blow themselves up

two islm is a ripoff of christianity and Judaism because judaism started a thousand years befor christianity and and 1600 befor islam

three christanity started 600 years before islam

[GrammerNaziElite]

At 7/24/08 10:16 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: one when christianity was formed Christians didnt blow themselves up

two islm is a ripoff of christianity and Judaism because judaism started a thousand years befor christianity and and 1600 befor islam

three christanity started 600 years before islam

I knew this, and religions don't rip off one another. Please don't be stupid, Islam ripped NOTHING off, and even if it did, how is that relevant?

Also, could Christians have blow themselves up before there were bombs? Back about a millennium ago? Think about it.

Answer- No, they couldn't have.

[Llama-of-Death]

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all based on the same theological time line, they simply cut their learning off at different points.

Judaism is first, since it's beliefs are based on the old testament, or Torah "The Messiah has not shown up yet."

Christianity is based on the new testament. "The Messiah has shown up, but he died, went to heaven, was then reborn so he could monologue, then go to heaven... again."

Islam is based on the Koran, or teachings of Muhammad. They actually believe jesus to be a 'prophet', just not a messiah. "The messiah actually waited 1000 years, then willed his own ass into heaven."

Then things get really convoluted as the believers of all three disagree within themselves and decided to form their own interpretations of the divine word, fracturing an already ludicrous ideology into thousands of conflicting ludicrous ideologies.

"Welcome to Jerusalem: birthplace of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

So that's where all the peace and love came from."

[GrammerNaziElite]

I'm not sure what you're getting at, Llama, but if you are suggesting that religions rip of each other or are in fact saying the exact opposite, all I say is that Castro wasn't ripping off Stalin, who wasn't ripping off Hitler, who wasn't ripping off Atilla the Hun. They're all cunts, just varieties of each other.

[Llama-of-Death]

At 7/24/08 10:34 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: I'm not sure what you're getting at, Llama, but if you are suggesting that religions rip of each other or are in fact saying the exact opposite, all I say is that Castro wasn't ripping off Stalin, who wasn't ripping off Hitler, who wasn't ripping off Atilla the Hun. They're all cunts, just varieties of each other.

That's exactly what I'm saying. They're just variations on a central, crazy theme, much as they would argue otherwise.

The real point is that all religions arbitrarily denote a "halt" on information at some point-a refusal of outside evidence to be analyzed. The reason I use this example is that it shows how far one belief can come given a few thousand years of geographical and informational hindrances. Reminds me of the Dr. Seuss book, 'The Butter Battle Book'.

[GrammerNaziElite]

I LOOOOVE THAT BOOK SO GOD DAMN MUCH ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY

[Villhelm47]

At 7/24/08 10:08 PM, yourefat wrote:

:You either believe all the doctrine or you're not Muslim. Why should I show respect to that or any other religion?

This isn't a criticism of your post, just simply a point I would like to make that's separate but related. I agree with you that respecting a religion is a choice, but to disrespect a person simply because of their religious choice is bigotry. If you have known them and still choose to do so is one matter, but it is entirely another for one person to hate another because of their religion or lack thereof.

[Llama-of-Death]

At 7/24/08 11:30 PM, Villhelm47 wrote:

At 7/24/08 10:08 PM, yourefat wrote: You either believe all the doctrine or you're not Muslim. Why should I show respect to that or any other religion?

:I agree with you that respecting a religion is a choice, but to disrespect a person simply because of their religious choice is bigotry.

Asinine. Religious people are allowed to hate on anything they want, as long as they sling their book at whoever is arguing against them. Would you argue I have a right to believe the tooth fairy is real? Or the Easter Bunny? Or Racial Puritism? (These people do.). And then teach these things to my children? People are allowed to hate people because of anything, race, sex, color, clothes, social standing, speech, economics, political beliefs, etc; but for some reason when it comes to religion people say "Oh, well, You have to respect me because I BELIEVE it." I say, "Fuck you!" You had your chance!

WHEN RELIGION RULED THE WORLD THEY CALLED IT THE DARK AGES.

[poxpower]

Why can't I hate both?

[adrshepard]

If people are generally stupid and/or extremist (as in these people are present in all cultures), how does one explain the fact that suicide bombers are overwhelmingly Muslim? Just because most Christians live in nations with advanced militaries doesn't give them any individual power, and suicide bombing is the most directly empowering act any one person can do.

Plus, all the horrible things in Christianity people point to all had some pragmatic purpose, whether it was accessing the wealth of the areas around the Holy Land or consolidating one's own power by persecuting heretics. That extremism actually did something. With Muslims, extremism is killing civilians for no realistic purpose.

Alternate post:
If I remember right, Muslims have to pray all the goddamn time, treat women like shit, aren't allowed to masturbate or eat certain foods, and mandate a religious form of government. Sounds like reason enough to hate it to me.

[Creek]

At 7/24/08 10:08 PM, yourefat wrote:

At 7/24/08 10:00 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: If you wish to discuss this matter with me, do so with dignity, respect, and proper grammar.

I'm not an innocent since I don't believe in Islam, therefore I could be raped, killed, tortured, or outcast by a Muslim and they would still go to paradise. The Koran has very little contradictions compared to the Bible so it's not a matter of interpretation. You either believe all the doctrine or you're not Muslim. Why should I show respect to that or any other religion?

Because some other religions aren't about holy war and death and bullshit. Some are actually about having a good life and making peace with neighbors, not taking revenge, helping others etc...

I'm not saying you SHOULD show respect to those. I'm just giving suggestions that might answer you.

[Creek]

At 7/24/08 11:37 PM, poxpower wrote: Why can't I hate both?

because of 2 - 1.

[dySWN]

At 7/24/08 11:35 PM, Llama-of-Death wrote: Asinine. Religious people are allowed to hate on anything they want, as long as they sling their book at whoever is arguing against them.

You seem to be confusing the radicals with the moderates on this issue.

[LazyDrunk]

At 7/24/08 11:37 PM, poxpower wrote: Why can't I hate both?

Why isn't this locked for being monumentally wrong and stupid.

[misterDAK]

Arguing about religions is like arguing who's dad can beat up who's.

[uhnoesanoob]

Hm, I have a dislike for ANYTHING that hardly changes in 1000 years.

[zoolrule]

Religion is just a successful cult. Islam is simply extreme one.

Also the thing i hate the most about Muslims, is that they are fighting against the "West" all the time, in their TV shows, all they talk about is not to join the evil West etc etc. But on the other hand they leech our technology, because they didn't invent anything in the last 1000 years. How do you call it? Hypocrisy?

[misterDAK]

At 7/25/08 02:32 AM, zoolrule wrote: Also the thing i hate the most about Muslims, is that they are fighting against the "West" all the time, in their TV shows, all they talk about is not to join the evil West etc etc. But on the other hand they leech our technology, because they didn't invent anything in the last 1000 years. How do you call it? Hypocrisy?

A good 80% of Muslims do not hate the west. You can be American and Muslim too, FYI.

Just because they pray to a different invisible man than you do doesn't make them any less human.

[Llama-of-Death]

At 7/25/08 01:10 AM, dySWN wrote:

At 7/24/08 11:35 PM, Llama-of-Death wrote: Asinine. Religious people are allowed to hate on anything they want, as long as they sling their book at whoever is arguing against them.

You seem to be confusing the radicals with the moderates on this issue.

Arguing over moderates and radicals is like arguing that having a small brain tumor is better than having a large brain tumor-you're both still sick in the head.

"I'm conservative, Christian, and a Criminal Justice student."
Why don't you just tattoo "Breeder" on your forehead and get busy pounding out genetic copies, huh? Just because you bought everything your mommy and daddy told you doesn't mean everyone else here has to. I'll be god damned if I have to respect anyone based on their religious beliefs (hee-hee).

There is NO SUCH THING as a religious moderate. You either BELIEVE THE BIBLE AS PRINTED or you don't! Doing otherwise is simply cherry-picking your own beliefs, which makes you a heretic. Being a "moderate" is simply born out of the fact that people simply don't believe-even with their own denominations! I guess that whole "having over 1000 different options" thing didn't fly with them. Too much reading involved, I guess.

I went to a Baptist Church every Sunday for 18 years. When I was little, I used to be kicked out of Sunday school for asking my teachers unanswerable questions. "Who created god?" "Why does God need to be worshiped?" "If Jesus knows he's going to heaven, how is he sacrificing?".

Religions are made for people like you. You NEED an answer, you NEED fulfillment; you're just afraid to see your dogma as it really is.

[zoolrule]

At 7/25/08 02:35 AM, misterDAK wrote: A good 80% of Muslims do not hate the west. You can be American and Muslim too, FYI.

Just because they pray to a different invisible man than you do doesn't make them any less human.

Where did i say they are less of a human? I personally think all of the invisible man followers are a little bit less of a human, but as long as they don't bother me do they can do what ever they want, something Muslim radicals don't tend to do.
Another thing, you don't see the 80% of the Muslims talking against the extremists, you don't see them making organizations opposing the extremists. Why is that? Because maybe they are not terrorists, but the majority is supporting them.

[laurielegit]

At 7/25/08 02:50 AM, zoolrule wrote:

At 7/25/08 02:35 AM, misterDAK wrote: A good 80% of Muslims do not hate the west. You can be American and Muslim too, FYI.

Just because they pray to a different invisible man than you do doesn't make them any less human.

Where did i say they are less of a human? I personally think all of the invisible man followers are a little bit less of a human, but as long as they don't bother me do they can do what ever they want, something Muslim radicals don't tend to do.
Another thing, you don't see the 80% of the Muslims talking against the extremists, you don't see them making organizations opposing the extremists. Why is that? Because maybe they are not terrorists, but the majority is supporting them.

When was the last time you asked 100 Muslim people and found that over 20 of them supported terrorism. The key word in your argument is see. you cant say whether or not 80% of Muslims are non-extremists because you didn't carry out that research.

you also say that "you don't see them making organizations opposing the extremists". I'm an atheist, but I don't support radicalism.... yet why haven't I formed an organisation against them...I suppose this means I support radicalism.

[zoolrule]

At 7/25/08 04:07 AM, laurielegit wrote:

At 7/25/08 02:50 AM, zoolrule wrote:

At 7/25/08 02:35 AM, misterDAK wrote: A good 80% of Muslims do not hate the west. You can be American and Muslim too, FYI.

Just because they pray to a different invisible man than you do doesn't make them any less human.

Where did i say they are less of a human? I personally think all of the invisible man followers are a little bit less of a human, but as long as they don't bother me do they can do what ever they want, something Muslim radicals don't tend to do.
Another thing, you don't see the 80% of the Muslims talking against the extremists, you don't see them making organizations opposing the extremists. Why is that? Because maybe they are not terrorists, but the majority is supporting them.

When was the last time you asked 100 Muslim people and found that over 20 of them supported terrorism. The key word in your argument is see. you cant say whether or not 80% of Muslims are non-extremists because you didn't carry out that research.

you also say that "you don't see them making organizations opposing the extremists". I'm an atheist, but I don't support radicalism.... yet why haven't I formed an organisation against them...I suppose this means I support radicalism.

i also say? I was replying to him, i wasn't discussing with myself.
He said 80%, his numbers. And what i ment is that if these Muslims (Again, not all.) are so much against the radicals and extremists that are running and at some cases are in control in their countries, why don't they do anything against them?
They are always talking against us that we are "so ignorant that we think all of them are terrorist, when only some are". Why don't they fight against the ones of them that are ACTUALLY TERRRORISTS, instead of whining all the time that we think they are terrorists?

[SadisticMonkey]

Just because most Muslims don't blow themselves up, doesn't mean they're moderates.

[AapoJoki]

At 7/25/08 06:15 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Just because most Muslims don't blow themselves up, doesn't mean they're moderates.

That reminds me of Capn Awesome saying: "Only in Islam can one be labeled 'not an extremist' simply because he has no immediate desire to blow you up."

[BuddhaGeo]

At 7/24/08 10:16 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: one when christianity was formed Christians didnt blow themselves up

You seriously suppose they had explosives when Christianity formed?

[zoolrule]

At 7/25/08 06:23 AM, AapoJoki wrote:

At 7/25/08 06:15 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Just because most Muslims don't blow themselves up, doesn't mean they're moderates.

That reminds me of Capn Awesome saying: "Only in Islam can one be labeled 'not an extremist' simply because he has no immediate desire to blow you up."

haha fucking hilarious.

[The-evil-bucket]

At 7/24/08 10:08 PM, yourefat wrote:

At 7/24/08 10:00 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: If you wish to discuss this matter with me, do so with dignity, respect, and proper grammar.

I'm not an innocent since I don't believe in Islam, therefore I could be raped, killed, tortured, or outcast by a Muslim and they would still go to paradise. The Koran has very little contradictions compared to the Bible so it's not a matter of interpretation. You either believe all the doctrine or you're not Muslim. Why should I show respect to that or any other religion?

I see you've read the Koran cover to cover. And not just read biased accounts from people who have supposedly read the book.