Redistribute the World Population!

[EKublai]

Now don't call this impractical because this is just a theoretical excercise. But let's just say...

1. We research what would be the optimal populations in separate (currently inhabited) areas of the world so we wouldn't have to worry about Famine, overcrowding, land competition that would result in habitat distruction, and keeping people out of the way of natural disasters more effectively.

2. A Lottery is set up in which all of mankind (excluding current world and national leaders) are participating and based on the proportions of population previously researched, they are assigned to an area of the world for them and their posterity to live and thrive. This is advantageous because not only will a new global revolution take place where people are automatically forced to accept each other for what they are, it also splits up current organized crime that pretends to lead the life of normal citizens. And because cultural indifference sets in, it's as if there are no national borders while they're still are however.

3. Three years will be spent on the education of the various people's in order to teach them about the new place they shall live, the previous culture, the law of the land, and job oppurtunities.

4. With any luck, by sending people to other places, we will also be reapportioning the best and brightest minds of the world. Places that are currently experiencing "brain drain" will then get the doctors, skilled workers, and educators that are needed to stimulate industrialization.

Discuss...

[BrianEtrius]

And who would be paying for all of this? I'm not being mean, it's just the world can't do it yet. It's not possible.

Also, who says every criminal will disappear? There's too many flaws in it.

[EKublai]

At 7/22/08 09:57 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: And who would be paying for all of this? I'm not being mean, it's just the world can't do it yet. It's not possible.

This is a worldly affair, money is no object.

Also, who says every criminal will disappear? There's too many flaws in it.

I'm talking about gangs unless you intend be a Latin King in Vietnam.

[BrianEtrius]

At 7/22/08 09:59 PM, EKublai wrote:

This is a worldly affair, money is no object.

Have we not learned the world runs on money?

I'm talking about gangs unless you intend be a Latin King in Vietnam.

So now you are saying gangs are the cause of violence? Yeah right. Crime will happen, and it will always happen.

This is very similar to a communistic view. It won't happen because it can't happen. People are forever going to be arguing with each other, creating riffs that can lead to bigger and badder things.

[Oranzoval]

Wait, you can't be serious.

Just because one region is suffering from overpopulation doesn't mean people should be shuffled around and relocated to an area they don't want to be in because of some lottery. Not only is it illogical, it's an invasion of personal liberty. Famine, war, criminals, overpopulation... Why should somebody else be forced to move somewhere they don't want to be because of that? All those negative situations are for THAT region's people and THAT region's government to figure out, not ANYONE else's.

[TonyTostieno]

At 7/22/08 09:59 PM, EKublai wrote: This is a worldly affair, money is no object.

Actually, money is an object, a roadblock, an obstacle, and helps me buy the stuff that I want and need (the crap that actually is bought anyway) to be alive.

I'm talking about gangs unless you intend be a Latin King in Vietnam.

Bahahahaha, gangs nowadays fail utterly.
"I'm a soldier on tha streets yo."
They're a bunch of fucking dumbasses with guns and no regard for anyone's personal properties except for their own. Redistributing the population would just be forcing the criminals to adapt, which would more then likely make them learn to become better criminals and commit crimes more effectively.

[studmuffin7]

Personally I think it is a horribly offensive idea. My father has worked hard to become a doctor, I have worked hard towards a graduate degree, and my uncle served America in the Korean War. If we were made to take a lottery that said we could wind up anywhere I would be mad as hell. Imagine working hard your whole life to make something of yourself, only to get sent to some hell hole.

Also, even if you redistribute people, new countries would reform based on what the majority of people in that region happen to share (religion, race, etc...). Doctors, scientists, and others who have worked hard would not be NEARLY as willing as you think to work very hard in a hell hole for rate shit pay.

[EKublai]

At 7/22/08 10:02 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

At 7/22/08 09:59 PM, EKublai wrote:

This is a worldly affair, money is no object.

Have we not learned the world runs on money?

Developing nations will not care because they're getting a more able workforce, and developed nations will host inexperienced aliens who are trying to start a new life, not trying start progressive movements, and governements love submissive populations to their own might.

So now you are saying gangs are the cause of violence? Yeah right. Crime will happen, and it will always happen.

violence is always more prevalent in a society as a whole, that's why it's not random that you don't wander in Rio De Janeiro on your merry way. Of course crime will happen, but it will be spaced out, and crime will once again be an individualist game, which is a much harder one to play without people backing you up.

This is very similar to a communistic view. It won't happen because it can't happen. People are forever going to be arguing with each other, creating riffs that can lead to bigger and badder things.

Besides the fact that the definition of Communism is not "Something that Can't Happen" this isn't communism, it only simulates the communist experience after taking socialism to the extreme, which means people won't have the time to argue with eachother because they're too busy arguing with their government

[EKublai]

You shouldn't be mad, you should be proud. proud that you're father will be able to utilize his American degree in the field of his choosing, just i a different location, he will be the beginning generation of doctors that will equalize the practice of medicine across the world, which has always favored developed nations and devastated underdeveloped ones.

Also, even if you redistribute people, new countries would reform based on what the majority of people in that region happen to share (religion, race, etc...). Doctors, scientists, and others who have worked hard would not be NEARLY as willing as you think to work very hard in a hell hole for rate shit pay.

Again, drawn by lottery, these people will most likely not be able to find majority populations in their vicinity. The world isn't match.com, most people are willing to conclude that groups can be formed beyond the silly limits of the things you've mentioned. How would it feel to live in an age were there was no need to relive the Civil rights movement or any movement for that matter.

[CIX]

This is why socialism fails so hard.

[Oranzoval]

At 7/22/08 11:10 PM, CIX wrote: This is why socialism fails so hard.

You know, I don't think I could have said it better myself.

[EKublai]

At 7/22/08 11:16 PM, Oranzoval wrote:

At 7/22/08 11:10 PM, CIX wrote: This is why socialism fails so hard.

You know, I don't think I could have said it better myself.

That sucks because I definitely could have, in fact I would have supplied first a foremost an argument, secondly I might've even supported that argument with FACTs, just in case someone tried to be tricky and say I was wrong.

[Oranzoval]

At 7/22/08 11:32 PM, EKublai wrote:

At 7/22/08 11:16 PM, Oranzoval wrote:

At 7/22/08 11:10 PM, CIX wrote: This is why socialism fails so hard.

You know, I don't think I could have said it better myself.

That sucks because I definitely could have, in fact I would have supplied first a foremost an argument, secondly I might've even supported that argument with FACTs, just in case someone tried to be tricky and say I was wrong.

All right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Hmm. Forcing citizens to do what they're trained in an area where they don't want to for the "better of humanity"? A lottery completely left up to the people large and in charge determining something as important as where you live? Sounds about right to me. ;)

"Ignorance is knowledge", I suppose.

[EKublai]

You're still not showing me the failure here. I'm looking out for the long term, as the socialist mind often does. Yes it is for the better of humanity, because the run down of humanity in this day and age in the life of a skilled worker is to get out of the homeland and go to an industrial nation, where he will be greeted with discrimination because he is an immigrant there trying to take a native job. Not that he's qualified to work in an industrialized nation anyway, so he's better off being a cabbie. this leaves one more worker out of his area and no one at home. Redistributing the wealth in the world will not work, but redistributing the mind power will make it so it won't matter where you live 20 years because you will have reformed home. everywhere is a success

[Oranzoval]

At 7/23/08 12:28 AM, EKublai wrote: You're still not showing me the failure here. I'm looking out for the long term, as the socialist mind often does. Yes it is for the better of humanity, because the run down of humanity in this day and age in the life of a skilled worker is to get out of the homeland and go to an industrial nation, where he will be greeted with discrimination because he is an immigrant there trying to take a native job. Not that he's qualified to work in an industrialized nation anyway, so he's better off being a cabbie. this leaves one more worker out of his area and no one at home. Redistributing the wealth in the world will not work, but redistributing the mind power will make it so it won't matter where you live 20 years because you will have reformed home. everywhere is a success

Your failure is that it's not human nature to sacrifice a guaranteed comfortable place to live and paycheck to go to a random area that was chosen for them to live by someone who they don't know at all in a lottery. It's like communism; cute idea on paper, just not going to work IRL.

[CIX]

At 7/22/08 11:32 PM, EKublai wrote: That sucks because I definitely could have, in fact I would have supplied first a foremost an argument, secondly I might've even supported that argument with FACTs, just in case someone tried to be tricky and say I was wrong.

Until you use facts yourself then history is on my side proving that socialism is a failure.

At 7/23/08 12:28 AM, EKublai wrote: You're still not showing me the failure here. I'm looking out for the long term, as the socialist mind often does. Yes it is for the better of humanity, because the run down of humanity in this day and age in the life of a skilled worker is to get out of the homeland and go to an industrial nation, where he will be greeted with discrimination because he is an immigrant there trying to take a native job. Not that he's qualified to work in an industrialized nation anyway, so he's better off being a cabbie. this leaves one more worker out of his area and no one at home. Redistributing the wealth in the world will not work, but redistributing the mind power will make it so it won't matter where you live 20 years because you will have reformed home. everywhere is a success

Socialists certainly are not long term goal orientated. The socialist quandary always looks for a quick fix to the unintended and unforeseen consequences of their actions. Your plan is self-defeating because you want to redistribute the brains of the industrialized world to third world countries that do not have the technology to implement their ideas.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

You forget the fact that there are a lot of people - a lot more than there are not - that have no grasp on modern technology, modern government, and modern culture. Cultures that have been living off of bugs and sticks for 500 years aren't exactly going to mix well with cultures that have cars, planes, computers, and electricity.

Plus, there's the language issue. Almost every single person would have to learn a new language and new customs. It's not easy, by any means. You can't just teach these people in a classroom how to cooperate efficiently.

And then there's the matter of assigning all these people jobs. For example, whilst people who are doctors and scientists can go pretty much anywhere, people who are machinists can't just go into the middle of Africa and set up shop.

And finally, there's the issue of government. You can't just assign Newt Gingrich, Barack Obama, John Mccain, and Rush Limbaugh to govern the same city. People aren't just going to drop their views on issues just because they've been thrown into a new environment. Plus, how would these people know how to govern a whole new demographic of citizens?

It's a good idea in theory, but then again, so was Communism.

[TheBelgianBeast]

good ideas you got there, but who's paying?
It's going to be eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexpensive

[JackPhantasm]

Good except that it infringes on the concepts of freedom.

So you can't really do it at all.

With the right encouragement, however, the idea could be processed on a free will basis.

[yourefat]

...You're splitting up families and friends, and instituting a major change, regardless of preparation.

People don't like splitting up with people they love, (if you told me I had to go through something like that I would try to kill you, whether it would help or not) and they sure as hell don't like change, especially on a large scale like that.

The violence would start right away. This plan loses. Sex.

[soulofbass]

what a great idea, one that i have never thought of before!
i lived in toronto for a good long time, and it is a country made up of many races, caucasians i believe are a minority there, in a country with white majority, cool isn't it?, not really, see when we put all these together instead of uniting the different races segregated, instead of building relationships, they built conflicts and walls to protect themselves from what they feared. so you see, forr that reason alone this idea simply doesn't hold much weight, but i still like the thought of it, keep thinking !

[SadisticMonkey]

At 7/22/08 09:59 PM, EKublai wrote: This is a worldly affair, money is no object.

Yeah not quite.

[EKublai]

People just don't seem to get. Perhaps I don't have the money to pay for all this, perhaps this is most impractical of all my deliciously impossible fantasies and could never work. But that's not the point, WHAT IF IT COULD!?!?!? That's why we need to do it. JUST DO IT!

[laurielegit]

Your idea would make it very easy for people to "disappear". And what would happen to that persons wealth? I don't like the prospect of saving up for an apartment to be told i'm going to Nigeria. sorry but this idea is crazy.

[yourefat]

At 7/24/08 03:38 PM, EKublai wrote: People just don't seem to get. Perhaps I don't have the money to pay for all this, perhaps this is most impractical of all my deliciously impossible fantasies and could never work. But that's not the point, WHAT IF IT COULD!?!?!? That's why we need to do it. JUST DO IT!

Read my last post. Money is only a little part of why this plan loses.

[SmilezRoyale]

To the maker of this thread, if you learned anything about forced human migration, you would know the following;

1) forcing different cultures to move against there will incites violence, pretty much the same as throwing cats and dogs into a house and asking them to get along.

2) Such movement, if payed for by world governments, would be immensely expensive.

3) forced mass migrations, asside from the cost, have often result in massive human deaths. Forced migrations of so-called 'nazi sympathizers' the trail of tears, innumerable refugee movements throughout history, create unimaginable suffering.

[Durin413]

IT wouldn't work. Too many people would be willing to fight and die before being relocated to some shithole country instead of continuing ot live in say, America.