A few facts of life

[ObsessedOne]

1. God cannot be proven or disproven and never has been.
2. Scientifically it is equally likely that there is or isn't a god.
3. Both atheists and religious people are therefore both equally logical.

Then again this is nothing new. =)

[mranarchy]

I'm agonistic so 'm gonna be right whatever happens :D

[Seriana]

Science :
1. Think of an idea
2. Refine idea with facts and evidence
3. Better the standards of life and understanding it with the new and improved idea
4. Repeat process
5. Make all of life good for everyone around you

Religion :
1. Think of an idea
2. Hold onto your outdated, barbaric, unchanging faith for 6000 years
3. Hurt other people

[MisterUnderstood]

Is this all you have to tell me about life?

[putzpie]

Good job, now you're going to attract a bunch of 13 year olds who think that they're hot shit, because they don't believe in god, and won't shut up about it. Just like mac users can't shut up about how awesome macs are, when they really suck.

and quite frankly it'd be better to be wrong if you were christian, than an atheist, considering the possible outcome.

[TailsPrower]

At 7/21/08 04:21 PM, DragonsGrief wrote: Science :
5. Make all of life good for everyone around you

*cough*chemicalweapons*cough*

[MisterUnderstood]

At 7/21/08 04:26 PM, putzpie wrote: Good job, now you're going to attract a bunch of 13 year olds who think that they're hot shit, because they don't believe in god, and won't shut up about it.

I just found out how old you are.

[Seriana]

At 7/21/08 04:27 PM, TailsPrower wrote:

At 7/21/08 04:21 PM, DragonsGrief wrote: Science :
5. Make all of life good for everyone around you

*cough*chemicalweapons*cough*

Compare the number of lives that chemical weapons has taken against lives taken in the name of God.

Let's see...

Just coming to mind - Hiroshima. Nagasaki. That's about it.

The Hundred Years' War. The Armenian Genocide. The Crusades. And every other individual tortured in the Vatican. And more, and more, and more.

[JohnnyWang]

At 7/21/08 04:20 PM, ObsessedOne wrote: 3. Both atheists and religious people are therefore both equally logical.

While the existance of a god cannot be entirely proved nor disproved, many major tennets of different religious metaphysics and dogma can, and have been disproved.

Therefore, it would be more correct to say Atheists and Theists are equally logical. There is a difference between believing in a god/gods and being religious. Religion is the set of rules the religious believe to have come from a god/goddes/the gods.

[Gatling]

That's why there's so much dispute. Religion is not correct in sciences terms, so some religions/religious communities ban science (e.g. creationist). I think it is really sad to go this far.

[putzpie]

At 7/21/08 04:28 PM, DragonsGrief wrote:

At 7/21/08 04:27 PM, TailsPrower wrote:

At 7/21/08 04:21 PM, DragonsGrief wrote: Science :
5. Make all of life good for everyone around you

*cough*chemicalweapons*cough*

Compare the number of lives that chemical weapons has taken against lives taken in the name of God.

Let's see...

Just coming to mind - Hiroshima. Nagasaki. That's about it.

The Hundred Years' War. The Armenian Genocide. The Crusades. And every other individual tortured in the Vatican. And more, and more, and more.

Because religon single handedly said "Go and kill people, lol" and it wasn't miss interpretted by retarded readers?

[uhnoesanoob]

God or not, why should we care?
As if some being should affect the air
Of our nature, and this being said
We all should do good things, until we are dead.

[lawlmaster]

At 7/21/08 04:28 PM, DragonsGrief wrote:

Compare the number of lives that chemical weapons has taken against lives taken in the name of God.

Let's see...

Just coming to mind - Hiroshima. Nagasaki. That's about it.

The Hundred Years' War. The Armenian Genocide. The Crusades. And every other individual tortured in the Vatican. And more, and more, and more.

But what about the nuclear tests in Russia?Or the people still dying of radiation?You dont know anything about chemical weapons.Study more.

[TailsPrower]

At 7/21/08 04:21 PM, DragonsGrief wrote: Religion :
1. Think of an idea

ok.

2. Hold onto your outdated, barbaric, unchanging faith for 6000 years

Also, I'm pretty sure you're referring to Christianity. Ever heard of the "Reformation"?

3. Hurt other people

Oh yes, and lets not forget the missionaries that travel to impoverished lands and gives them generous support. Even though they're doing this to spread their beliefs, they're not forcing it upon them and in the end they're still helping other people.

Also I'd like to point out that people manipulating religion to further their own agendas is irrelevant to the existence of God or a god. No matter how many people kill others in the name of God, that does not prove his non-existence scientifically. All that shows is that people are idiots.

[Gatling]

At 7/21/08 04:33 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: God or not, why should we care?
As if some being should affect the air
Of our nature, and this being said
We all should do good things, until we are dead.

Your poems are kickass!

[Seriana]

At 7/21/08 04:34 PM, lawlmaster wrote: But what about the nuclear tests in Russia?Or the people still dying of radiation?You dont know anything about chemical weapons.Study more.

Chernobyl? Do you know what that was? A nuclear power plant, not a nuclear weapons testing facility. The explosion was unintentional, and it was mostly Russia that suffered from it.

Count how many people are dying of radiation. How many more do you think died over the time of religion's reign?

The world signed a ban on testing nuclear weapons in the atmosphere and in water in 1990 or so, maybe even before, I forgot, so your argument of "people still dying of radiation" is bullshit.

Go back to learning about dinosaurs, for all you know.

At 7/21/08 04:35 PM, TailsPrower wrote: Also I'd like to point out that people manipulating religion to further their own agendas is irrelevant to the existence of God or a god. No matter how many people kill others in the name of God, that does not prove his non-existence scientifically. All that shows is that people are idiots.

But religion does exist. A religion that proclaims the existance of a God. A religion that disillusioned people to go kill in his name.
That is real enough. An abstract concept is usually more motivating than concrete ones.
And to begin with, I said, Religion, not God in specific.

Read the story in my signature. What's funny is that it's most likely true.

Christianity preaches tolerance and empathy, but where is their all perfect benevolence for homosexuals, Muslims, Jews, the Native Americans, the Atheists, the scientists, anyone that's NOT like them 100%?

Your "missionaries" are agents of destruction that spread their religion to people who didn't want to hear it, and enslaved them to their religion and bidding.

[ObsessedOne]

The point is that arguing about religion is useless to utmost degree. Bashing anything regarding religion or lack thereof is only useful in regards to cultural, economic, or political gain.

Quotes for no apparent reason:

"One should always pray because there just might be a God." - A Separate Peace

"If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent him." - Voltaire

[Prinzy2]

At 7/21/08 04:46 PM, ObsessedOne wrote: "If there were no God, it would be necessary to invent him." - Voltaire

Heh heh, never did like him when we studied revolutions in social class.
I'm beginning to change my opinion.

[Seriana]

If God is unwilling and has the power, then he is malevolent.
If God is unwilling and doesn't have the power, then why do you call him God?
If God is willing and doesn't have the power, then he is not omnipotent.
If God is willing and has the power, then where does all the evil come from?

- Some philosopher I forgot. Not word for word, but close enough.

[ObsessedOne]

At 7/21/08 04:33 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: God or not, why should we care?
As if some being should affect the air
Of our nature, and this being said
We all should do good things, until we are dead.

This is the best post in the whole topic.

[Ismael92]

Well, threads like this lead to useless arguments, since people who believe in God (or not) won't change their opinion.

I don't believe in any religion, I don't thing praying to someone/something I can't see, hear, touch or feel will solve my problems, but if some people do I'm happy for them. I think everyone should take the way that makes them happy, without hurting other people.

Now, if we're going to talk about the uses of science, yes, it's used a lot on wars and for killing people, but think that science can also save lives, for example the surgeries.
In fact, most of things done by science are created to use them in the wars, later they adapt it to be used in our everyday lives.

Cheers.

[Shrooomish]

Yeah that's all true. I'm sure you will hear shit for it still.

[Narwhal]

Sup Bush knocked down the towers.

That is all.

[Kain-Ceverus]

Here's a life lesson:

Not everyone's lives turn out the same way. If someone older than you tells you how it went for them and they assume it'll happen to you, accept the lesson but don't take it to heart. Just because it happened once doesn't mean it'll happen every time.

[TailsPrower]

They're right, this is all just pointless blabbering. I really don't care what others have to say about my religious affiliations in general, pun intended. It never goes anywhere and I've grown rather bored of the same old routine.

Whatever, peace out.

[4Doctodragon]

At 7/21/08 04:20 PM, ObsessedOne wrote: 2. Scientifically it is equally likely that there is or isn't a god.

But using the common sense postulate you'll find that it's very unlikely.

[deafeningsilence5]

At 7/21/08 04:20 PM, ObsessedOne wrote: 3. Both atheists and religious people are therefore both equally logical.

Now this is the problem. A person who exercises faith that something we can't see, hear, feel, taste or smell exists is not logical.

[ObsessedOne]

At 7/21/08 05:35 PM, deafeningsilence5 wrote:

At 7/21/08 04:20 PM, ObsessedOne wrote: 3. Both atheists and religious people are therefore both equally logical.

Now this is the problem. A person who exercises faith that something we can't see, hear, feel, taste or smell exists is not logical.

Yes, but is it any more logical to state that a god does not exist when we have no physical proof that we can see, hear, feel, taste, or smell?

This is not a matter of common sense or even logic at all. Simply put impose nothing and live happy.

[AbsurdRandomness]

At 7/21/08 04:21 PM, mranarchy wrote: I'm agonistic so 'm gonna be right whatever happens :D

Actually, considering you abandoned both theism and atheism... you're wrong on both counts.