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Meat is part of a healthy diet, it is too tedious to make sure all your foods are meat free and I am going to assume organic as well, while meat in moderation is healthy and tasty.

And Vegetarians easily can get enough nutrients and such.

My vote goes to Omnivores.

At 7/21/08 01:30 PM, mastermalpass wrote: English meat has more Free range avaliable. there are still factory farms and all. But free range tastes better, it's more real. And the English way of slaughtering is a hell of a lot more hummaine. We use a static electric charge to switch of it's conscious mind. So by then a cow has forgotten it's a cow. It's like it's been shot in the back of the neck, but it's heart is still opperational. (We need the heart to be working to get the blood out of the animal. This is all done behind closed doors, so the other animals are not distressed.

In france however. Well, that's a whole other story. I've worked in a Butcher's for almost three years, just a cleaner. But you learn a fair bit about different meat products. Such as the Economy foods (IE Sausages made out of pigs ears). English Butchers, take free range animals only. Apart from the Barn bread chickens, which are cheaper than our free range chickens.

So that's one better meat source. You buy from a butcher, You buy meat. Not E104, not the steroids they stuff into chickens, pure meat. Off cuts are taken by a farmer who has loads of hounds to feed, so it all goes somewhere.

And yes, I am well aware of animals getting caught in Combine Harvesters, but that's a point used by people to explain that something's gonna die in mass food production. Don't know about it causing food shortages and global warming though. If someone could explain?

It doesn't matter whether or not the animals grew up on a free range. It's not like the animal's happiness will super charge the meat with flavor. The taste is no different and it's not any more "real". So you say that the European way of butchering is better? In America we shoot them in the head with a compressed blast of air which knocks them unconscious thus disabling their pain receptors. They are asleep and they can't feel the pain of being killed.

why can't we just eat both...

At 7/21/08 03:13 PM, pizza4ever wrote: why can't we just eat both...

We do.

Most meat dishes will have a salad on the side.

lets start with some facts.
each vegetarian save the life of over 100 animals a year(on average).
a veggie on average has an IQ of 105, 5 IQ points higher that the meat eater average(100). a vegan however has an average IQ of 95. veggies also tend to do better in school, and have better jobs.
i have been veggie for years and i have seen a dietitian and they say my diet is fine, and the protein levels, if anything, are too high.
Yes, it is a misconception that veggies are unhealthy, however it is not true.
omega oils 3,6,9 can be gained from flaxseed and is just as good as omega form fish.
meat eaters are more likely to be unhealthy, and lots of bad food (mainly because it is uncocked well) is meat. meta eaters are more effected my things like foot and mouth disease and other global problems.
lots of meat products contain dont things people will see as disgusting such as rennet (lining of a baby calfs stomach) and people don't even know what is in their food and just eat whatever tastes nice.

Meat Eaters FTW.

At 7/21/08 03:38 PM, macmad1984 wrote: a lot of facts

Thank you. I was too lazy to write that all. Vegetarians ftw! We don't need animals killed for us!

At 7/21/08 03:38 PM, macmad1984 wrote: lets start with some facts backed up by reputable sources

Oh wait... nevermind.

By the way, I am not anti-vegetarian, my girlfriend and her family happen to be vegetarians

At 7/19/08 12:18 AM, Zergzealot wrote: I think vegetarians would win because they have a healthy diet.

Find anyone that claims to be a vegatarian and unless they grow their own food, it's extremely likely that they've consumed animal products whilst claiming to be vegetarian. A lot of products contain gelatin, such as pharmaceutical capsules and certain dough conditioners in bakery products. It's just that people are too lazy to research their chosen diet thoroughly.

At 7/21/08 03:38 PM, macmad1984 wrote: lets start with some facts.
each vegetarian save the life of over 100 animals a year(on average).
a veggie on average has an IQ of 105, 5 IQ points higher that the meat eater average(100). a vegan however has an average IQ of 95. veggies also tend to do better in school, and have better jobs.
i have been veggie for years and i have seen a dietitian and they say my diet is fine, and the protein levels, if anything, are too high.
Yes, it is a misconception that veggies are unhealthy, however it is not true.
omega oils 3,6,9 can be gained from flaxseed and is just as good as omega form fish.
meat eaters are more likely to be unhealthy, and lots of bad food (mainly because it is uncocked well) is meat. meta eaters are more effected my things like foot and mouth disease and other global problems.
lots of meat products contain dont things people will see as disgusting such as rennet (lining of a baby calfs stomach) and people don't even know what is in their food and just eat whatever tastes nice.

I had trouble understanding the horrible English in your post but I'll do the best I can.

1: Saving the lives of animals doesn't make it a god thing.
2: IQ means nothing and is only useful for determining how effectively someone can pass an IQ test.
3: High protein means that you have an unbalanced diet which doesn't help your case, believe it or not.
4: I have met and know many sickly and unhealthy vegetarians, so no, it isn;t a misconception. You can't speak for all vegetarians.
5: You need to eat many more seeds than files of fish and flax seed doesn't provide other nutritious vitamins, minerals and oils that fish provide.
6: No, Meat eaters have the same chance to be unhealthy as any vegetarian. When it comes down to it, exercise really determines if someone is unhealthy and it is different for each person. Fat vegetarians exist. They aren't a myth.
7: Didn't understand the first part but vegetarians are also deluded with the term "all natural" and "organic". Just because someing is all natural and organic doesn't mean it's healthy for you.

Good lord I can't type today.

At 7/19/08 12:22 AM, Xanthom wrote:

At 7/19/08 12:21 AM, Fantum wrote: Omnivores win.

"Meat-eaters" includes omnivores.

Omnivores eats vegetables as well.

I less than three you.or <3 But seriously this is a stupid debate.Also fish is good.

very good!

At 7/19/08 01:13 AM, Daddy-L-Jackson wrote: Meat eaters win because vegetarians are idiots who have no idea about shit they just follow what the TV and Magazines tell them...

i think your a bit misled there, you could equally accuse an omnivore of that, i think you would even have stronger grounds to do so considering how much more advertising there is for meat than there is for vegetarianism

Meat eaters are stronger, hence we can kick you ass, hence, we win.

White meat vs red meat.

At 7/21/08 04:08 PM, Jinzoa wrote: White meat vs red meat.

I prefer white meat.

At 7/19/08 01:48 AM, gunner-564 wrote:

At 7/19/08 12:18 AM, Zergzealot wrote: I think vegetarians would win because they have a healthy diet. Meat eaters, I challenge you to a debate.

being vegetarian is bad to your health becauz you dont get alot of protion so vegtarians are less healthy
stick to a fact . in your face!!!

personally im a vegetarian im not ill and sickly and not stunted, im 6 ft 4 and athletic

Being a vegetarian isn't bad at all. I mean there's a lot of food substitutes that you can switch over meat. Also that the food vegetarians eat are much more healthier than the meat eaters.

Well the meat eaters can also be healthy, they just have to avoid the fast foods and stick to the lean meats than the fried shit.

At 7/19/08 12:18 AM, Zergzealot wrote: I think vegetarians would win because they have a healthy diet. Meat eaters, I challenge you to a debate.

Meat eaters are better. But who am I to say that? Vegetarians seem happy.

Here, eat your your gay twig.

I'll eat my 10 slices of bacon.

You can argue both ways to a certain point. Smart and informed vegetarians know the right combination of foods to eat so that they get enough fat, protein, vitamins, etc. However, many vegetarians think they can get away with consuming whatever veggies they want, and then become sick.

Though, I think meat-eating is the best alternative because not only do you have the easiest time getting all your nutrients, but it also limits the cow, chicken, and whatever other animal populations. I don't mean to sound cruel, but raising so much livestock is extremely expensive and harmful for the environment. Therefore, their populations must be limited.

I'm not picky at all when it comes to food. If it isn't bad for you, and it's edible, I will eat it.
Vegetables can be just as tasty as any meat, but I definitely wouldn't give up eating meat. There's a reason we have teeth made to tear through meat, just as well as there is a reason why have teeth made for grinding vegetation.

But who would win in a fight? Meat eaters, because like somebody else before me said, the meat eaters could just eat the vegetarians. Plus, there's a good chance if you're vegetarian or vegan that you're too much of a pussy to kill animals, so how could you kill a human?

veg eaters also win cuz they aren't killing! :)

People, think about this for a while.

How many meals does one cow make?

Now, consider, how long does it take for a cow to mature enough to be slaughtered for food?

How much grain does the cow eat before that?

How many meals would that grain make?

At 7/21/08 04:28 PM, JohnnyWang wrote: People, think about this for a while.

How many meals does one cow make?

Now, consider, how long does it take for a cow to mature enough to be slaughtered for food?

How much grain does the cow eat before that?

How many meals would that grain make?

John, you try to make people think, and I cheer you for that
Yet you are missing many things in grain, such as fat
And protein, and other useful things
That a bowl of chex mix just can't bring.

At 7/21/08 03:38 PM, macmad1984 wrote: a veggie on average has an IQ of 105, 5 IQ points higher that the meat eater average(100). a vegan however has an average IQ of 95. veggies also tend to do better in school, and have better jobs.
i have been veggie for years and i have seen a dietitian and they say my diet is fine, and the protein levels, if anything, are too high.

Are you serious? It's a good thing you were stating averages because judging by the way you write/type, your IQ is in no way higher than mine. You seem stupid, actually. Where are you getting these numbers from? I'd like to see a source.

meat eaters are more likely to be unhealthy, and lots of bad food (mainly because it is uncocked well) is meat. meta eaters are more effected my things like foot and mouth disease and other global problems.

What about all these salmonella and E. Coli breakouts lately? Haven't they all been from spinach, tomatoes, scallions, etc.? As far as I can remember, the last meat scare we had over here came from beef and mad cow disease.

lots of meat products contain dont things people will see as disgusting such as rennet (lining of a baby calfs stomach) and people don't even know what is in their food and just eat whatever tastes nice.

How about peanut butter? Correct me if I'm wrong, Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" told of how peanut butter contains the most outside ingredients than any other food? I'm pretty sure there are countless insects, rats, etc. in peanut butter. How's that taste man?

I'm in no way bashing vegetables and the like; I eat tons more fruits and vegetables than I do meat, but vegetarians have a tendency to only list problems in the meat industry and not in the diets they take up themselves. Sure, my diet might be just as contaminated as yours...but I'm not the one complaining about it.

At 7/21/08 03:47 PM, dELtaluca wrote:

At 7/21/08 03:38 PM, macmad1984 wrote: lets start with some facts backed up by reputable sources

Oh wait... nevermind.

By the way, I am not anti-vegetarian, my girlfriend and her family happen to be vegetarians

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/618075 3.stm
You should have at least attempted a google search, the first 10 or so websties would have kept you from making a stupid statement.

At 7/21/08 03:54 PM, FalconPunch wrote: 1: Saving the lives of animals doesn't make it a god thing.

That's an opinion, why bother stating it?

2: IQ means nothing and is only useful for determining how effectively someone can pass an IQ test.

Yeah a high IQ means nothing, other than you're ability to learn and subsequently achieve in life. Man I can't believe you just tried to discredit the idea of an IQ, really.

4: I have met and know many sickly and unhealthy vegetarians, so no, it isn;t a misconception. You can't speak for all vegetarians.

I'm sure you've met somewhere around 10 to maybe even as high as 50 vegetarians, but the reality is that there are over 7 million vegetarians, so you also cannot speak for all vegetarians. Vegetarianism has been linked to lower levels of obesity, coronary artery disease, hypertension, and cancer.

"Choosing a nonvegetarian lifestyle has a significant health and medical cost. The total direct medical costs in the United States attributable to meat consumption were estimated to be $30-60 billion a year, based upon the higher prevalence of hypertension, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, gallstones, obesity and food-borne illness among omnivores compared with vegetarians (2)."

"In the Adventist Health Study, non-vegetarians had a risk of fatal stroke that was 20-30% higher than the vegetarians. "

Meat: So much healthier, your heart wills top! :D

http://www.vegetarian-nutrition.info/upd ates/vegetarian_diets_health_benefits.ph p

No but really, I'm not against meat eating, I'm sure it can be part of a healthy diet, I'm just trying to not support animal cruelty (which is not the same goal as animal rights or the belief that we shouldn't kill animals).

At 7/21/08 04:31 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote: Yet you are missing many things in grain, such as fat
And protein, and other useful things
That a bowl of chex mix just can't bring.

Ah!

But all of them (aside from a few unique nutrients in meat, that are not entirely necessary) can be replaced with various plant based substitutes. The greatest substitute is the Soy Bean, which is also the main ingredient of Tofu, and get this; since soy is so nutrious, it is also the main feed of cattle.

By cutting down the meat production, we'd free massive amounts of land for other agriculture, re-forestation, alternative energy solutions (solar and wind parks) etc. Not everyone has to become vegetarian, not full time, at least, and yes, if someone insists, they can have their daily t-bone steak, but the price of meat should be hiked up by a lot.

At 7/21/08 04:28 PM, JohnnyWang wrote: People, think about this for a while.
How many meals does one cow make?
Now, consider, how long does it take for a cow to mature enough to be slaughtered for food?
How much grain does the cow eat before that?
How many meals would that grain make?

I'd like to see you survive off of the grain they feed cattle. Please, I beg you, eat the same food that cows do. I doubt you'd make it more than two weeks.