White Pride

[Proteas]

I do not make the claim of being the author of the op-ed piece I am about to present, I am however going to with-hold the name of the author so that people focus on the content of the piece itself as apposed to the one who wrote it.

Enjoy.

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Now, I wanna ask you people something; what is wrong with white pride? Now when I say "White Pride" I am not talking about Neo-Nazis, that's a little extreme. I'm just talking about your average white person who is happy that he's white. What the hell is wrong with that?

Everytime I turn on the news, and somebody says something that they're "Proud to be White," all of the sudden all hell breaks loose and people accuse him of being some kind of white supremicist. There's a big difference between being proud of being white and being a white supremacist. It's the same thing with black people; everybody was big into the "Black Pride" and everybody was like "I'm black and I'm proud." And that's all well and good, but then you have people like Farrakahn who are practically black supremacists and nobody says a damn thing about him.

So in my opinion, if somebody's white and they're happy with it, leave them alone. It seems every othe race on the face of the planet can have a day soley dedicated to their heritage. Look, you've got the Italian Heritage Festival, the Polish Day Festival, The Saint Patrick Irish Day, the Peurto Rican Day Parade, the Nova Scotia Cookie Festival, Russian Roulette Day... everybody has their own day, and Black people have a whole month dedicated to black history.

Where's the White Parade? I would like to see a White Parade. Some kind of white pride parade where a bunch of people get together and say "You know what? I'm glad that I'm white." And like I said, I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazi Swastika waving jackasses. I'm talking about regular generic folks who are happy to be white. That's all. There's nothing racist about having pride in being white.

And frankly? The way I look at it, white people are fast becoming the minority. So when minorities such as hispanics and blacks actually outnumber white folks in sheer population numbers, I expect to see Affirmative Action for white people. I want to see certain slots in colleges and businesses soley reserved for white people. Because when the tables turn in the population numbers, blacks are going to go nutts once white people are like "I can't get a job in this predominantly black company." How many white people do see work at "The Source" magazine? How many white people do see work at "Death Row" records? How many white people do you see being the financial advisor to the NAACP?

It goes on, I'm just trying to make a point here, that's all. Fair is fair people. If you're white and not a nazi, go out and march, be proud that you're white, yay.

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[Memorize]

I'm white and I'm proud!!!

Oh wait... damn, i'm not white, i'm red.

Anywho, i'm just waiting for Eminem to use the "N" word in a song.

[ManlyMan97]

You speak the truth.

[ManlyMan97]

Just so people know, I'm talking to Proteas.

[FalconPunch]

Being proud about something out of your control is stupid and ignorant.

[CIX]

At 7/18/08 04:20 PM, FalconPunch wrote: Being proud about something out of your control is stupid and ignorant.

Would you still say that if you had a 12" dick? just sayin

[stafffighter]

Race is an oversimplification. We call people from lots of places thatwould just as soon kill the other by the same names. Latinos, asians, black people, all of them. The same goes for the white europian populations. Only we hear nor about them because it's more political to poke fun at yourself and because the livres of those unlike us jsut matter less.
I'm proud of being French. I happen to be white.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 7/18/08 05:00 PM, CIX wrote:

At 7/18/08 04:20 PM, FalconPunch wrote: Being proud about something out of your control is stupid and ignorant.

Would you still say that if you had a 12" dick? just sayin

Yeah he would still say that, because the size of your dick is OUT OF YOU CONTROL!

[stafffighter]

At 7/18/08 05:08 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/18/08 05:00 PM, CIX wrote:

At 7/18/08 04:20 PM, FalconPunch wrote: Being proud about something out of your control is stupid and ignorant.

Would you still say that if you had a 12" dick? just sayin

Yeah he would still say that, because the size of your dick is OUT OF YOU CONTROL!

Actually if you can afford the extension surgery it's not. Just making a point here

[SolInvictus]

i'm sorry, i'm too busy having pride in my heritage which actually has culture and substance. being white has nothing beyond skin colour going for it and the notion of taking pride in being white, which describes many peoples from many different backgrounds, devalues those individual cultures.

[aninjaman]

Heres the problem with your logic. When Black people say Black pride they are taking pride in their African heritage and being able to come out of centuries of oppression and racism(something white people cant say). Taking pride in your skin color is something Black people can do because of being discriminated against for nothing more than skin color. White people can take pride in their heritage like if you are of Greek descent go to a greek heritage festival or if your German go to Octoberfest but not skin color.

[animehater]

The authors idea of white pride seems to just simply continue the cycle of division when it comes to the myth of Race. We need to get rid of the concept of Race altogether.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 7/18/08 05:15 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 7/18/08 05:08 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 7/18/08 05:00 PM, CIX wrote:

At 7/18/08 04:20 PM, FalconPunch wrote:

Actually if you can afford the extension surgery it's not. Just making a point here

True, true. Point well made.

[JackPhantasm]

I have sentient pride.

Because I am sentient, I have pride.

I try to not have pride.

Because I am sentient.

I am different.

I am aware.

But I am still the same.

As everything else.

Pride in what you hold, you hold pride in your self and you hold nothing in your hands.

You hold the pride and thoughts of the world and everything within you and yourself becomes your pride.

[MrHero17]

At 7/18/08 05:50 PM, aninjaman wrote: Heres the problem with your logic. When Black people say Black pride they are taking pride in their African heritage and being able to come out of centuries of oppression and racism(something white people cant say). Taking pride in your skin color is something Black people can do because of being discriminated against for nothing more than skin color. White people can take pride in their heritage like if you are of Greek descent go to a greek heritage festival or if your German go to Octoberfest but not skin color.

I get discriminated for what my ancestors may have did. Hell I think they were pioneering the west and ranching, no salves involved. But that for some reason dosen't mean I don't owe something to minority's or w/e.

[uhnoesanoob]

At 7/18/08 05:56 PM, animehater wrote: The authors idea of white pride seems to just simply continue the cycle of division when it comes to the myth of Race. We need to get rid of the concept of Race altogether.

Dude, race exists, like it or not. Everyone will always make judgements based on race.

[kalistari]

At 7/18/08 04:08 PM, Proteas wrote:

:Italian Heritage Festival, the Polish Day Festival, The Saint Patrick Irish Day, the Peurto Rican Day Parade, :the Nova Scotia Cookie Festival, Russian Roulette Day...

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Aren't all of those people white?
(except for the Puerto Ricans, but they're not really people are they?)

[catman03]

I agree with your asessment, but my personal opinion is that I'm NOT proud to be white. Nor do i think someone should be proud to be black or latino. I don't think that race should be something to be either proud of or ashamed of, it just is. You know what i mean? I do completely agree though that people associate "white pride" with neo-nazis whereas "black pride" is associated more with civil rights movement activists. You're very right that racial pride for those that have been historically opressed is more socially acceptable than racial pride for the races that have been "on top" historically. All-in-all the entire subject is just one big stupid idea.

[poxpower]

I have white pride because my people invented pretty much everything that we use today.
Computers, plastic, cars, porn, jets, tv, designer clothes...

We have a rich culture of everything. Classical music, rock, metal, movies, dances. We sure kick ass.

I'd also accept asian pride, because of nintendo and whatnot.

Black people have nothing to be proud about yet.

[Mr-Pope]

At 7/18/08 04:08 PM, Proteas wrote: Now, I wanna ask you people something; what is wrong with white pride? Now when I say "White Pride" I am not talking about Neo-Nazis, that's a little extreme. I'm just talking about your average white person who is happy that he's white. What the hell is wrong with that?

There's a difference between being happy/grateful that you're white and being "proud". I'm grateful that I'm white in the sense that if I wasn't, life would almost definitely be harder for me through no fault of my own.

It's important to make that distinction, because you go on to confuse it throughout the rest of the post.

There's a big difference between being proud of being white and being a white supremacist. It's the same thing with black people; everybody was big into the "Black Pride" and everybody was like "I'm black and I'm proud." And that's all well and good, but then you have people like Farrakahn who are practically black supremacists and nobody says a damn thing about him.

The Black Pride movement is more legitimate because African-Americans have been institutionally discriminated against purely because of their race in fairly recent history. It was accepted that black people were inferior, lesser human beings, something had to address this.

Feeling that a showing of "white pride" is needed, when looked upon against the back drop of the US being dominated in every area by white people looks fairly retarded.

And the Louis Farrakahn point is rubbish, there would have been outrage had Obama accepted his endorsement because he's such as controversial and often despised figure.

So in my opinion, if somebody's white and they're happy with it, leave them alone. It seems every othe race on the face of the planet can have a day soley dedicated to their heritage. Look, you've got the Italian Heritage Festival, the Polish Day Festival, The Saint Patrick Irish Day, the Peurto Rican Day Parade, the Nova Scotia Cookie Festival, Russian Roulette Day... everybody has their own day, and Black people have a whole month dedicated to black history.

lol. Look up "race" in the dictionary.

Where's the White Parade? I would like to see a White Parade. Some kind of white pride parade where a bunch of people get together and say "You know what? I'm glad that I'm white." And like I said, I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazi Swastika waving jackasses. I'm talking about regular generic folks who are happy to be white. That's all. There's nothing racist about having pride in being white.

To actually be proud of being white is daft though. You played no part in any achievements made by people who happened to have the same skin colour as you.

And there are plenty of white pride movements in any case, it just so happens that these attract a lot of racists (probably just a coincidence, eh?).

And frankly? The way I look at it, white people are fast becoming the minority. So when minorities such as hispanics and blacks actually outnumber white folks in sheer population numbers, I expect to see Affirmative Action for white people. I want to see certain slots in colleges and businesses soley reserved for white people. Because when the tables turn in the population numbers, blacks are going to go nutts once white people are like "I can't get a job in this predominantly black company." How many white people do see work at "The Source" magazine? How many white people do see work at "Death Row" records? How many white people do you see being the financial advisor to the NAACP?

It doesn't really matter how you look at it, to say white people are "fast becoming a minority" is a scaremongering tactic based on lies and largely employed by racist groups (The BNP in Britain are a fan of it). The figures simply don't back it up.

The US will always be a predominantly white country. US politics will always be dominated by white people. US business will always be dominated by white people.

Don't you worry your purty little blonde head about it.

[Mr-Pope]

Cheers.

[Proteas]

At 7/18/08 05:50 PM, aninjaman wrote: White people can take pride in their heritage like if you are of Greek descent go to a greek heritage festival or if your German go to Octoberfest but not skin color.

So what about people like me? I'm German-Irish on my mother's side, Scotch-English on my dad's side, and both families have been IN America long enough to have lost all those ethnic qualities. I am a white American, I am the melting pot. Where the hell is my day?

That's what the whole point of that piece was; generic white folks celebrating the fact that they are generic white folks. We're the majority of the population here in America, yet we're practically invisible in the culture landscape when it comes to equality and the whole "rainbow of colors" crap that so called proponents of racial equality rant about.

At 7/18/08 06:55 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: Feeling that a showing of "white pride" is needed, when looked upon against the back drop of the US being dominated in every area by white people looks fairly retarded.

.... really now? So I'm supposed to feel guilty because I'm white, because of something I didn't do or choose to be?

And the Louis Farrakahn point is rubbish,

Not it's not, the man calls for the downfall of white people on a regular basis and blasts us as being evil heartless bastards. If he was white and saying that about blacks you would lump him in with KKK and other such racist groups. Obama wasn't even mentioned in this topic.

lol. Look up "race" in the dictionary.

race - noun
1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.

To actually be proud of being white is daft though. You played no part in any achievements made by people who happened to have the same skin colour as you.

If that's the case, then why should black people of today be allowed to be proud of being black, when they themselves played no part in any achievements made by people who happened to have the same skin colour as them?

You were dropped on your head as a child, weren't you?

Don't you worry your purty little blonde head about it.

USATODAY; 39 Million make Hispanics the largest single minority in the United States, up 9.8% in 2003 from the 2000 census and comprising 13% of the nation's population.

Perhaps YOU'RE the delusional one here.

[FUNKbrs]

I'm white and I'm proud.

Fuck you, coloreds.

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Now, onto my main point. My dad was white. My dad was also a great dad who taught me to appreciate intelligence, how to think logically, and just generally how to contribute to society and not be a huge leech.

The whiteness is the genetic heritage, which gave me the raw tools and temperment I needed to fit into white culture. The culture came from my father through how I was raised, which is completely separate.

Different families have different temperments. Go into any old (over 100) year old town where residents have lived there generationally, and you'll find certain family names have certain stereotypes associated with them. For example, Rileys, who married into my family, are black irish from Louisianna. I haven't met one yet that didn't like getting drunk, smoking a big joint, and getting way too loud at a party. The Harts, on my father's side, tend to be very stiff and homey, quiet in almost a psycho kind of way. Never met one that wasn't.

Race is like that. You inherit skin color from the families that made you, and each race is made up of FAMILIES, not individuals, but FAMILIES.

Individuals in a family can be different. Individual members of a race can be different. That's diversity. It's ok. A black family and a white family can join, and the children of that generation lay claim to BOTH heritages. As all american families blend together, we ARE forming an American race, simply by the geography of being on the same continent.

Race exists because before the invention of the car, geography forced people genetically into certain centralized families, families that had interbred for thousands of years. This interbreeding caused certain universal characteristics, like skin color, eye color, hair color. The culture of the FAMILIES involved also created a certain list of stereotypes and preferences.

RACE EXISTS. IT'S JUST NOT IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING PEOPLE ON THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL CAN TRANSCEND. RACE WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME MOOT IN THE GLOBAL SOCIETY.

The problem is people spend SO much time thinking "globally", they forget just how much "locally" there is to think about. Part of racism comes from not meeting enough individuals, and speaking in generalities that only make sense on a global level. The races are STILL integrating, and they will continue this painful homogenization process until the genetic pools can expand to the point at which some other problem such as geography restrains them.

Lets see which parts of this post people reply most to!

[Mr-Pope]

At 7/18/08 07:34 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 7/18/08 06:55 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: Feeling that a showing of "white pride" is needed, when looked upon against the back drop of the US being dominated in every area by white people looks fairly retarded.

.... really now? So I'm supposed to feel guilty because I'm white, because of something I didn't do or choose to be?

Eh? When did I mention guilt? Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying the exact opposite - you shouldn't feel guilt or pride.

Not it's not, the man calls for the downfall of white people on a regular basis and blasts us as being evil heartless bastards. If he was white and saying that about blacks you would lump him in with KKK and other such racist groups. Obama wasn't even mentioned in this topic.

I do lump him in with racist groups, actually. Again, don't make up my views for me.

And I mentioned the Obama situation to disprove the point that "nobody says a damn thing about him". Which is patently untrue, as the outrage over the Obama endorsement proves.

If that's the case, then why should black people of today be allowed to be proud of being black, when they themselves played no part in any achievements made by people who happened to have the same skin colour as them?

Christ, I never said they were! What I did say is that the Black Pride movement (which is more of an Afro-American movement, really), has more of an air of legitimacy because of the oppression they faced purely on the grounds of their race, and goes some way to "legitimising" (ugly phrase in this context, I know) being black. That being black is not something to be ashamed of, it does not make you inferior etc. This is necessary because the opposite was drilled into their heads for the past couple of centuries up until very recently.

White Americans do not need this because they have never faced mass oppression on the grounds of their race, and have and continue to be economically, socially and politically successful as a whole.

I find it amazing you can't see the blatant differences between the two.

You were dropped on your head as a child, weren't you?

Gosh, that's awfully immature.

USATODAY; 39 Million make Hispanics the largest single minority in the United States, up 9.8% in 2003 from the 2000 census and comprising 13% of the nation's population.

Perhaps YOU'RE the delusional one here.

Lmao. This is ludicrous.

What does this prove? How does this combat any of the points I made? How does this make me delusional?

[Proteas]

At 7/18/08 08:25 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: Eh? When did I mention guilt? Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying the exact opposite - you shouldn't feel guilt or pride.

That's what the implication was; white people have nothing to be proud of in being white when viewed against recent history.

And I mentioned the Obama situation to disprove the point that "nobody says a damn thing about him". Which is patently untrue, as the outrage over the Obama endorsement proves.

What outrage? Where were the 12 dozen topics about it on the bbs? Where the riots in the streets over it?

That being black is not something to be ashamed of, it does not make you inferior etc. This is necessary because the opposite was drilled into their heads for the past couple of centuries up until very recently.

Then your viewpoint is in clear conflict with itself. If pride over skin color is illogical because you neither choose it or the heritage and culture than goes along with it, then allowing black people to continue with pride over their skin color and heritage is illogical as well. You're allowing them a free pass for something they didn't choose to be or partake in simply because it fits your politically correct viewpoint.

Gosh, that's awfully immature.

And the "purty little head" comment wasn't?

What does this prove? How does this combat any of the points I made? How does this make me delusional?

Hispanics are the largest growing minority group in the United States, outpacing every other ethnic minority, blacks included. It's not a stretch of the imagination to say that they may one day equal or outnumber whites in America.

What exactly is going to happen to all those little minority special interest groups that rail on whitey on a daily basis when whitey becomes the minority?

[JackPhantasm]

At 7/18/08 06:40 PM, poxpower wrote:
Black people have nothing to be proud about yet.

There's not enough point there to justify that racism.

[The-evil-bucket]

I think it's silly to be proud of the amount of pigment in ones skin.

[fli]

What's White?
I mean, we already have "White Prides" (yes, the plural form.)

We have Irish History Month, Octoberfest, and all sorts of European holidays and specially marked days. To me, White is a non sequitur. White people are originally from the old European countries, and we have a variety of holidays and days dedicated to them. Just because it isn't called "White Pride" doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

What is more, we can't truly define White as easily as Blacks, Latinos, etc. I mean, if we get technical, Black history isn't so much about Black history (otherwise, we would be studying African history)-- but the part of American history when African captives were introduced into this land. With Mexican Heritage History, you're talking about a group of people who define it as anyone in any combination of indigenous Mejica blood mixed with any European blood.

But when you define White... you can't in the same way. Unless... you mean the biological aspect of it, then that's being asinine. This is a response from people, who so happen to have light skin and colored eyes, feel disgruntled because other people, who so happen to have a certain skin color, get to have these special days.

Whites fail to see that Blacks get that one month, the shortest month of the year for that matter, not because their skin is black, but that they share a history where their culture is dictated by their skin color. Black just so happen to be their biological skin color... but the month, it celebrates a culture where they are bound because they had been enslaved for their skin color, have been discriminated because of it.

In another example, why don't we Straight Parades when we have Gay ones? Well, if gay parades exist, they're not exactly celebrating the biological aspect of it. They're celebrating the fact that their is such a thing as Culturally Gay. There's a history that can be told, people to mention, and all that stuff. Since when can you say the same about straight people? To them, they don't even think twice about being straight until they see a gay parade and say, "Grrr.... let's have a straight parade, even though we don't have a Straight Culture, but gays have a Gay culture."

Now, back to the argument.

The same couldn't be said of White people because, in essence, there has never been a single culture of where they've been bound by their White color. Instead, they've formed different peoples and nations defined by other means. Where's the cultural sense of being White? Well, it depends. You can pick one (or perhaps, several) of the existing celebrations that celebrates the various European cultures. Or, you can celebrate the biological part (which, the KKK does.)

So, in essence, there isn't a singular White culture to celebrate, but smaller groups. And to celebrate the biological aspect of it... well... you just run the risk of being called a Nazi or KKK person.

My suggestion:
Create a single White Culture first before creating a White Pride Month or club, or any of those suffixes. And to find that, first figure out what's your peoples struggle and in what way they've done (or doing) to over come it.

Or,
Just go celebrate the various White Prides that already exists now...

[PieGraphGlock]

This actually reminds me of a time that I tried to design a white pride flag. I wonder if anyone here could come up with any good designs.

[Mr-Pope]

At 7/18/08 08:50 PM, Proteas wrote: That's what the implication was; white people have nothing to be proud of in being white when viewed against recent history.

Yeah...I'm not seeing the mention of guilt. Flogging a dead horse, here.

What outrage? Where were the 12 dozen topics about it on the bbs? Where the riots in the streets over it?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? My example disproved the viewpoint that "nobody says a damn thing" about Louis Farahkan, no? That he is viewed upon with disdain by the mainstream?

Yes? No?

That being black is not something to be ashamed of, it does not make you inferior etc. This is necessary because the opposite was drilled into their heads for the past couple of centuries up until very recently.

Then your viewpoint is in clear conflict with itself. If pride over skin color is illogical because you neither choose it or the heritage and culture than goes along with it, then allowing black people to continue with pride over their skin color and heritage is illogical as well. You're allowing them a free pass for something they didn't choose to be or partake in simply because it fits your politically correct viewpoint.

How am I "allowing" them, for goodness sake? All I've said is that the Black Pride movement is more legitimate than any white pride one, and that it was probably necessary to rebuild the collective confidence in that particular group, as it would be in any collection of people that were oppressed because of a particular attribute. The aim of "black pride" is to try and correct a negative stereotype, "white pride" is, of course, very different.

There's an outright refusal from you to take into account any outside factors that have affected the situation.

Gosh, that's awfully immature.

And the "purty little head" comment wasn't?

Nah.

Hispanics are the largest growing minority group in the United States, outpacing every other ethnic minority, blacks included. It's not a stretch of the imagination to say that they may one day equal or outnumber whites in America.

What exactly is going to happen to all those little minority special interest groups that rail on whitey on a daily basis when whitey becomes the minority?

When this wholly unlikely and completely hypothetical situation comes to fruition they're going to hypothetically storm the White House and hypothetically enslave the white race.

Obviously.