Islamic Indoctrination

[studmuffin7]

Disclaimer: This is a purely intellectual thread meant for intelligent people...no n0obs or trolls please!

While searching the web I have noticed an alarming number of examples of arabs indoctrinating children to become violent terrorists. At first I dismissed it as it could not possibly be representative of most middle easterners right...right? Well here is a collection of examples...

Islamic children discuss amputation as a form of criminal punishment:
http://www.israelated.com/node/48031

The Gaza Strip Third Graders:
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/9345 26

Government Propaganda Influencing Children to become aspiring Terrorists:
http://www.pmw.org.il/indoctrinating%20c hildren%20to%20violence.htm

These are but a few examples that I have found. If you even go to google.com and type in "Islamic Indoctrination children" or something of the like you will find a plethora of horrifying examples of what children in the Middle East are learning. Go to Youtube and watch videoes taken from Middle Eastern TV stations. This sort of thing is absolutely attrocious. How can we stamp out radical Islam if future generations are being trained to replace the existing fanatics? Do these really represent a small percentage of the Muslim population? It seems to be that this is FAR more widespread throughout the Middle East than the culturally accepting moderates ignorantly assert. Share your thoughts on the phenomenon, post more links if you want, and discuss how we can ever hope to topple this problem.

-Studmuffin7

[Earfetish]

What's funny is, it's the Saudis who are propogating all this bullshit, and they're the only ones we're buddy-buddy with.

[FUNKbrs]

Problem?

What problem?

There's 6 billion people on this planet. The world NEEDS terrorists just to keep the population down.

[ManlyMan97]

Well, if they're starting it now, we gotta stop it before we have an army of terrorists that have been wanting to kill people since they were kids. What ever happened to "Don't scar the children"?

[ImaSmartass2]

At 7/18/08 12:21 PM, Earfetish wrote: What's funny is, it's the Saudis who are propogating all this bullshit, and they're the only ones we're buddy-buddy with.

I also found that none of the 9/11 plane terrorists were from Iraq, infact, most of them were Saudi, also, Al-Queda has had major influence in Saudi Arabia, however were dispised by Saddam, so there was a lack of Al-Queda presence in Iraq. (when he was in power)

Hurrah for defending those who attack us!

[studmuffin7]

At 7/20/08 10:23 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote:

At 7/18/08 12:21 PM, Earfetish wrote:

I also found that none of the 9/11 plane terrorists were from Iraq, infact, most of them were Saudi, also, Al-Queda has had major influence in Saudi Arabia, however were dispised by Saddam, so there was a lack of Al-Queda presence in Iraq. (when he was in power)

Hurrah for defending those who attack us!

Just for the record, this thread is about the indoctrination of children by radical & violent Muslims. I would really prefer that this thread does not descend into a chaotic debate about the Iraq war. My primary concern is whether or not it is possible to prevent children in the Middle East from being raised in this manner and if not, how can we ever be sure the world will be free of their kind in the future? I also appreciate when others post more links to more examples of this phenomenon. I think this kind of debate needs to be in the foreground as all Islamic terrorists alive today would probably be more reasonable people if they had not been raised to such crazy beliefs.

But thank you for your input anyway. It did knock this thread up out of the graveyard if nothing else. Sad that my threads only spark debate when they are offensive and trollish.

-Studmuffin7

-Studmuffin7

[AapoJoki]

At 7/18/08 01:39 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Problem?

What problem?

There's 6 billion people on this planet. The world NEEDS terrorists just to keep the population down.

Too bad that the poor, uneducated, religious fundamentalists have way more children than civilized people. Despite its serious efforts to kill as many people as possible, religious fundamentalism is only going to overpopulate the world even further, unlike moderate religiosity and non-religiosity.

[zoolrule]

That's the result of the gap between the primitive Arabic-Muslims and the advanced Western culture.
On one hand their society and moral structure reminds the 15th century more than the 21th, on the other hand they are using our technologies inventions.

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RESULT :

People that still believe they get 72 virgins in heaven if they kill people, are using TV,Internet, and complicated weapons.

[BetaOrionis]

As far as we know, these stories could be from multiple small television stations covering only one or two isolated events. The fact that it appears in such great quantity on youtube means nothing.

It seems to me that the vast majority of the time that a plethora of anything politically frightening exists on youtube, it is only because there is a plethora of pseudo-activists who post it in the hopes of "raising awareness", which again seems to me like a fucking lazy excuse for not actually making a real difference. But it does make them feel like they're helping.

That's just how it seems to me though.

[uhnoesanoob]

Any teachings that so teach that only people in the middle east
May be worthy of Islam's call and that all other faiths shall fall
Is bound for some deep dark things
The message such a faith will bring
Involves death, destruction and war
Such sins will Islam indeed bore.--- Uhnoesanoob

[ImaSmartass2]

At 7/21/08 10:14 AM, studmuffin7 wrote:

At 7/20/08 10:23 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote:

At 7/18/08 12:21 PM, Earfetish wrote:

I also found that none of the 9/11 plane terrorists were from Iraq, infact, most of them were Saudi, also, Al-Queda has had major influence in Saudi Arabia, however were dispised by Saddam, so there was a lack of Al-Queda presence in Iraq. (when he was in power)

Hurrah for defending those who attack us!

Just for the record, this thread is about the indoctrination of children by radical & violent Muslims. I would really prefer that this thread does not descend into a chaotic debate about the Iraq war. My primary concern is whether or not it is possible to prevent children in the Middle East from being raised in this manner and if not, how can we ever be sure the world will be free of their kind in the future? I also appreciate when others post more links to more examples of this phenomenon. I think this kind of debate needs to be in the foreground as all Islamic terrorists alive today would probably be more reasonable people if they had not been raised to such crazy beliefs.

But thank you for your input anyway. It did knock this thread up out of the graveyard if nothing else. Sad that my threads only spark debate when they are offensive and trollish.

-Studmuffin7

I understand your point in the thread and I am sorry that I went off the topic, so in return, I will bring up some relevant points to perk up some debate.

Islamic recruitment of children cannot be stopped as long as there are children of radicals/Orphan Muslims. Because the extremists will teach the children the same thing they believe. The Islamic do not see sending small children to their deaths as a bad thing, since they believe they will be rewarded in the afterlife.

The general hatred of the U.S. is also a factor which drives these children to be recruited be fundamentalists. If a U.S. soldier killed your parent, how would you feel? You would have a hatred of the U.S. because of that inccident and would be subjectable to terrorist recruitment. But you don't see it as that, you see being a bomber is the only way to get back the U.S. for what they have done.

It's very tragic, but it is also unstoppable as long a terrorism exists. Unless, of course, the U.S. takes possesion of all Middle Eastern children, which I don't think is very logical, plus there would be people that hide their children.

Just my two cents.

I apologize for the subject change,

-Imasmartass2

[poxpower]

At 7/18/08 01:39 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

There's 6 billion people on this planet. The world NEEDS terrorists just to keep the population down.

The problem is that the same terrorists are also having 10 babies.
They blow 3-4 up and the rest go on to multiply like fruit flies.

The number of babies per family is directly proportional to a country's poverty. Seriously. Where are the best place? Canada, the U.S., europe, australia, japan. How many kids? 1-2.

The shitholes?
Africa, middle east, mexico, south america.

How many kids? 5+

They're responsible for their own fucking misery.

[ThePretenders]

At 7/18/08 01:39 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Problem?

What problem?

There's 6 billion people on this planet. The world NEEDS terrorists just to keep the population down.

Don't worry, it will happen. Population increases at an unsustainable rate, a rate higher than the increase in food production. That leads to food shortages and mass starvation and bringing the population back to an equilibrium.

Malthus FTW!

[Wolf-Raven]

Yeah, it's kinda sad. Most militants fighting in Afghanistan are kids who are brainwashed with Taliban version of the Koran, and are also high on morphine.

But let's look at the other side. maybe they think of us as Christan Fundamentalists, indoctrinating OUR children, and brainwashing US to capitalistic societies.

It's all perception, really.

[n64kid]

At 7/21/08 12:44 PM, poxpower wrote:

The shitholes?
Africa, middle east, mexico, south america.

How many kids? 5+

They're responsible for their own fucking misery.

Did I ever tell you how much I love you?

[butsbutsbutsbutsbuts]

You say no n0obs, but clearly you are a n0ob. So what if they are indoctrinating their kids to be killers? We have been indoctrinated by moral tv and movies to never kill innocents in pursuit of our goals, no matter how righteous we think they are, so it might be difficult for you to understand why they do this. Firstly the could simply not care, secondly they may believe it is for the greater good, the pursuit of their islamic utopia.

[studmuffin7]

At 7/21/08 06:33 PM, butsbutsbutsbutsbuts wrote: You say no n0obs, but clearly you are a n0ob. So what if they are indoctrinating their kids to be killers? We have been indoctrinated by moral tv and movies to never kill innocents in pursuit of our goals, no matter how righteous we think they are, so it might be difficult for you to understand why they do this. Firstly the could simply not care, secondly they may believe it is for the greater good, the pursuit of their islamic utopia.

First of all, I do not appreciate being called a n0ob. Second...how can I not care that they are indoctrinating their kids to be killers!?!? Do you honestly think that our feelings about not killing innocents is due to indoctrination? There is a fundamental right and wrong principle. And if they simply did not care, that would not change the fact that they are still a threat indoctrinating their kids to be threats.

There are NO excuses or good reasons to kill innocent people. It does NOT matter what part of the world you are from or what media you listen to, this is common sense. It does NOT matter if they do not care; actually it is even more frightening that little kids could be raised to become such monsters so quickly. Finally, it does NOT matter if it is going towards their Islamic utopia, there are NEVER good reasons or viable excuses to kill innocent people.

[dySWN]

At 7/21/08 02:20 PM, Wolf-Raven wrote: It's all perception, really.

Meh. Moral relativism is so 2004.

[The-evil-bucket]

I've seen forceful Christian indoctrination in my school and neighborhood. I don't see anyone complaining. Religion breeds indoctrination.

[The-evil-bucket]

At 7/20/08 10:23 PM, ImaSmartass2 wrote: Al-Queda has had major influence in Saudi Arabia,

Never mind that only 10% of Saudi's have a favorable view of Al-Queda.

[Slizor]

At 7/22/08 05:39 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote: I've seen forceful Christian indoctrination in my school and neighborhood. I don't see anyone complaining. Religion breeds indoctrination.

Amen.

Education is the teaching of your beliefs. Indoctrination is the teaching of things that you don't believe in.

"Like OMG, do you not see how schools are brainwashing our kids into believing in gravity??!?!?"

[The-evil-bucket]

At 7/22/08 07:48 PM, Slizor wrote:

At 7/22/08 05:39 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote: I've seen forceful Christian indoctrination in my school and neighborhood. I don't see anyone complaining. Religion breeds indoctrination.

Amen.

Education is the teaching of your beliefs. Indoctrination is the teaching of things that you don't believe in.

Best damn wording I've ever heard.

[Earfetish]

At 7/22/08 07:48 PM, Slizor wrote: Education is the teaching of your beliefs. Indoctrination is the teaching of things that you don't believe in.

"Like OMG, do you not see how schools are brainwashing our kids into believing in gravity??!?!?"

Surely education is the teaching of facts and indoctrination is the teaching of beliefs as facts? Like you can indoctrinate someone with stuff you believe in; I'd imagine that happens all the time.

[PineappleWinnie]

At 7/23/08 07:10 AM, The-evil-bucket wrote:

At 7/22/08 07:48 PM, Slizor wrote:

At 7/22/08 05:39 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote: I've seen forceful Christian indoctrination in my school and neighborhood. I don't see anyone complaining. Religion breeds indoctrination.

Amen.

Education is the teaching of your beliefs. Indoctrination is the teaching of things that you don't believe in.

Best damn wording I've ever heard.

Well, these kids probably believe in what they are told and taught, as you imply. That is not the problem, after all, people can believe in wathever they want. Sure, some people believe that we are the pupils of some alien race, too. That isn't the problem. The problem comes when said people start blowing shit up and killing people in the name of said beliefs, and tells children that their mission in this life is to kill and blow shit up.

Many will say that Bush isn't any better, but it doesn't change the fact that Islam considers the western world as their enemy for life.

[The-evil-bucket]

At 7/23/08 02:08 PM, PineappleWinnie wrote: Well, these kids probably believe in what they are told and taught, as you imply. That is not the problem, after all, people can believe in wathever they want. Sure, some people believe that we are the pupils of some alien race, too. That isn't the problem. The problem comes when said people start blowing shit up and killing people in the name of said beliefs, and tells children that their mission in this life is to kill and blow shit up.

Many will say that Bush isn't any better, but it doesn't change the fact that Islam considers the western world as their enemy for life.

Whoa. You just made a perfectly valid point, then threw in some garbage about Bush and Islam. Islam is not one untied religion, just as Christianity is not one united religion.