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At 6/5/09 02:47 AM, FurryDemon wrote: I'm straight (or heterosexual), but I have a question, if there was painless medicine that could change you to just straight (bi-sexuals don't need to answer though, as they are pretty lucky to have that variety,) would you take it?

No.

I'm not ashamed to be queer. I don't lie awake at night thinking "I wish I was straight; I hate being queer" because I know that there's nothing wrong with it. Are people going to bash me for it? Yes, some of them probably will. Am I going to bash myself for it? No, I don't and I probably never will unless I end up hurting someone I care about.

And to be honest, even though I didn't chose to be this way, being queer has become part of my identity. I identify as a queer woman and I'm perfectly happy with that. It may make some things hard, confusing, and complicated, but I wouldn't want to change that.

Would I want to be queer if I was straight? Probably not. But now that I am queer, I don't want to change.

I honestly hope there never will be a drug like that. That would just give the religious right all the more reason to push for the abolishment of gay rights because then, it really would be a choice to be gay (or to remain gay).

At 6/5/09 02:47 AM, FurryDemon wrote: I'm straight (or heterosexual), but I have a question, if there was painless medicine that could change you to just straight (bi-sexuals don't need to answer though, as they are pretty lucky to have that variety,) would you take it?

No.

If I did go through with something like that, I'd probably end up being depressed or something. I'd feel like a part of me was missing.

At 6/3/09 11:36 PM, Zombified wrote: Recently, I "came out" to my mother. My whole life she's been a really accepting person, but I'm getting bad vibes from this. I mean, she's not mad or anything, and she doesn't seem to care. But she says I'm too young to " know what I want " and it doesn't seem like she took me seriously at all.

Yup, when I first "came out", she pretty much dismissed it as me "being confused". Still into chicks though, lol. I'd say give it time and she'll come around.

At 6/5/09 02:47 AM, FurryDemon wrote: I'm straight (or heterosexual), but I have a question, if there was painless medicine that could change you to just straight (bi-sexuals don't need to answer though, as they are pretty lucky to have that variety,) would you take it?

Fuck no. It's not a disease, I wouldn't treat it like one. And straighties are weird anyway, I wouldn't want to be one :P

At 6/5/09 06:46 PM, Sensationalism wrote: And straighties are weird anyway, I wouldn't want to be one :P

It annoys me when that cliche heterosexual flirting occurs. You know, when the girls act all weak and giggly and the boys act nonchalant and macho.

There's that thing where the girls get all googly eyed for the boys that act like they don't care. It's like pretending you're stupid and weak is the only way to attract men.

It's a pet peeve of mine.

Hey everyone, i'm a bi-sexual, but do have a strong preference to the opposite sex. I won't become a regular user of this club, I just wanted to pop ni and say I support you all and your choices, and that you talk openly about it in a forum. Honestly, I think its great. I'm in Canada where gay marriage is legalized, I hope that the rest of the world will accept you and legalize it in your areas to.

<3

At 6/5/09 10:38 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: It annoys me when that cliche heterosexual flirting occurs. You know, when the girls act all weak and giggly and the boys act nonchalant and macho.

There's that thing where the girls get all googly eyed for the boys that act like they don't care. It's like pretending you're stupid and weak is the only way to attract men.

It's a pet peeve of mine.

Oh yeah, that is pretty annoying. Not pretty to watch either.

At 6/6/09 12:26 AM, yodd wrote: Hey everyone, i'm a bi-sexual, but do have a strong preference to the opposite sex. I won't become a regular user of this club, I just wanted to pop ni and say I support you all and your choices, and that you talk openly about it in a forum. Honestly, I think its great. I'm in Canada where gay marriage is legalized, I hope that the rest of the world will accept you and legalize it in your areas to.

<3

Canada's pretty awesome all-around. I do hope other places follow suit and finally legalise gay marriage, it's frustrating to be discriminated against in that way. I didn't know you were bi.

At 6/5/09 10:38 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: It annoys me when that cliche heterosexual flirting occurs. You know, when the girls act all weak and giggly and the boys act nonchalant and macho.

There's that thing where the girls get all googly eyed for the boys that act like they don't care. It's like pretending you're stupid and weak is the only way to attract men.

It's a pet peeve of mine.

I also hate it when men are expected to pull out all the stops and basically act like a jester and slave for the woman on things like dates. Like, men are expected to arrange the date, pay for everything, buy a small gift, think of all the jokes, keep her interested and basically cater to every damn need while she doesn't have to do a single thing for you. All she has to do is attempt to look pretty by applying way too much make-up, wearing clothes that she thinks looks good but actually is ugly as hell, applying perfume that smells of sweeten vomit and "styling her hair up" which no one actually cares that much about.

It's one of many things I hate about gender roles. The whole "men being lapdog for women" thing.

At 6/6/09 09:10 AM, Lost-Chances wrote: It's one of many things I hate about gender roles. The whole "men being lapdog for women" thing.

Yeah, that too.

You'd think all that chivalry bs would be over with by now. You'd think with this big "women are equal" movement that women would actually, you know, treat themselves as equals and not make the men do all the work for them.

Woman make themselves high maintenance so the men have to work their assess off just to keep the relationship alive.

Oh, and another thing. That whole "bad boy" thing that many straight women seem to be attracted to. Really, is your self esteem so low that you need to put yourself into a relationship with someone who treats you like shit when you could be in a relationship with someone who would actually appreciate you? And I thought my self esteem was low.

My friend is in this same place. She's been dating this guy for like a year and a half on and off even though I doubt he actually cares for her. In fact, he's actually told her that he doesn't love her.

And so that leaves nice guys out to dry.

They say it's about self esteem, but my self esteem is pretty damn low and I would never date anyone who treated me like that.

I will never understand it.

Currently hearing:

Going down-Sick puppies
Overdrive-IOSYS

Sorry I wasn't posting here for a while, comp was dead weight infected which was annoying. >_>

Read everything I pretty much missed so I would like to ask a few questions for you all...

When did you first figure you were more of a bi/pansexual, gay, or whatever?
How has life been with everyone?

Watched a couple of good movies this week. Different for girls was pretty good and awkward actually, if you ever get a chance to watch it, let me know what you think of it, I thought it was pretty good anyways, watched another one and I forgot what it was called, some spy who seemed to enjoy being more femme than masculine.

Also, group hug time again eh?

Started getting bisexual urges in the summer before seventh grade.

Life's been alright with me.

School's ending soon (the 19th), so I'm really happy about that. My big huge English project that I've been working on since march is over, so that's a big stress reliever. That project was seriously work intensive.

Started going to therapy, but I won't go into that.

I recently saw Angels and Demons and Up in 3D and both of those were really good movies. Angels and Demons was as good as the DeVinci Code, if not better. Up was funny and awesome.

This summer I've got three vacations lined up in a row. First, I'm going to Boston for a week for this music thing. After that, I take a few days off and then I'm going on a three day camping trip up near Lake George in New York. A few days after I come back from there, I'm going to Florida for a week. :D

Then I have pretty much nothing going on for the rest of the summer. I'm too young to get a paying job, so I can't do that. My parents want me to volunteer, which I'm not too excited about, but it will look good on college applications. For the rest of the time, I just plan to hang around and hang out with people.

I'm not looking forward to next year in school. It's 10th grade which is anticipated to be my most work intensive year yet. I've got the MCAS coming up, the one that actually counts (MCAS = state test. If you don't pass it in 10th grade, you don't graduate until you do). I'm a good student, but I just hate tests and even more so, I hate preparing for them.

Meh.

At 6/6/09 10:37 AM, SCTE3 wrote: When did you first figure you were more of a bi/pansexual, gay, or whatever?

When I was 11 or 12.

When puberty started basically.

How has life been with everyone?

Rather bad.

Went through 2 boyfriends. First was a dick, the second was great but we had to break up because he's moving away.

At 6/6/09 10:37 AM, SCTE3 wrote: When did you first figure you were more of a bi/pansexual, gay, or whatever?

Youngest I remember may of been 13/14/15 when I started looking at gay porn every so often.

How has life been with everyone?

A level exam this Thursday, it's too fucking hot and despite me getting my dad some presents he likes, he feels like it's more important he constantly reminds me that he thinks it's my fault I missed some mail. He then loves to drill in other interesting facts about myself including how I'm apparently slack.

To top it off, despite me being legal drinking age, he actually hides the beers from me.

At 6/6/09 10:37 AM, SCTE3 wrote: When did you first figure you were more of a bi/pansexual, gay, or whatever?

beginning of 2009 I admitted to myself that I had feelings for the same gender too.
Couple of days ago I got told by someone that the way I look at people would rather mean that I'm pansexual (instead of bisexual)

How has life been with everyone?

Pretty good, but stressy. Exams starting wednesday, and a big presentation on friday.

Also, group hug time again eh?

*hugs* =)

At 6/6/09 09:10 AM, Lost-Chances wrote: I also hate it when men are expected to pull out all the stops and basically act like a jester and slave for the woman on things like dates. Like, men are expected to arrange the date, pay for everything, buy a small gift, think of all the jokes, keep her interested and basically cater to every damn need while she doesn't have to do a single thing for you. All she has to do is attempt to look pretty by applying way too much make-up, wearing clothes that she thinks looks good but actually is ugly as hell, applying perfume that smells of sweeten vomit and "styling her hair up" which no one actually cares that much about.

It's one of many things I hate about gender roles. The whole "men being lapdog for women" thing.

I don't like that either! Dude I went out with once wouldn't let me pay for anything and it seriously pissed me off because it was like saying that I'm weaker or not as good in a way. If that makes any sense. Arranging dates are kind of fun. I like thinking of places to go or things to do. Shame I don't have more dates.

At 6/6/09 10:37 AM, SCTE3 wrote: When did you first figure you were more of a bi/pansexual, gay, or whatever?

I still don't know what I am. When I started looking into it, I originally thought I was pansexual. And while I still believe I could love anyone, I find myself most attracted to women.

But it was during high school that I realised the way I thought about and felt toward females wasn't exactly straight behavior.

How has life been with everyone?

Good for the most part. It's summer and I really need to find things to do besides NG.

Watched a couple of good movies this week. Different for girls was pretty good and awkward actually, if you ever get a chance to watch it, let me know what you think of it, I thought it was pretty good anyways, watched another one and I forgot what it was called, some spy who seemed to enjoy being more femme than masculine.

Sounds good. I may check that first movie out.

Also, group hug time again eh?

Yay, group hugs!!

At 6/7/09 04:11 AM, Sensationalism wrote:

At 6/6/09 09:10 AM, Lost-Chances wrote: I also hate it when men are expected to pull out all the stops and basically act like a jester and slave for the woman on things like dates. Like, men are expected to arrange the date, pay for everything, buy a small gift, think of all the jokes, keep her interested and basically cater to every damn need while she doesn't have to do a single thing for you. All she has to do is attempt to look pretty by applying way too much make-up, wearing clothes that she thinks looks good but actually is ugly as hell, applying perfume that smells of sweeten vomit and "styling her hair up" which no one actually cares that much about.

It's one of many things I hate about gender roles. The whole "men being lapdog for women" thing.

I don't like that either! Dude I went out with once wouldn't let me pay for anything and it seriously pissed me off because it was like saying that I'm weaker or not as good in a way. If that makes any sense. Arranging dates are kind of fun. I like thinking of places to go or things to do. Shame I don't have more dates.

I hate the opposite too. I have a friend who devoted himself entirely to some bitch he met, and he did EVERYTHING she asked. All he wanted was to be told by her that she loved him, and she never did. She grew sick of him wanting some affection in return and dumped him claiming he was a shit boyfriend, and he was really upset. I spat at the bitch next I saw her and told her never to fuck around with people again. The worst part was, he thought he was wrong in asking for love back. That shits me and I think he's incredibly stupid for doing any of it. Still; she was a bitch. I should of palmed her across the face. >: (

Also, group hug time again eh?

Yay, group hugs!!

Wait, I thought we were all in a Bondage fascination...? NO HUGS WITHOUT WHIPS.

At 6/7/09 04:33 AM, Podburrys wrote: I hate the opposite too. I have a friend who devoted himself entirely to some bitch he met, and he did EVERYTHING she asked. All he wanted was to be told by her that she loved him, and she never did. She grew sick of him wanting some affection in return and dumped him claiming he was a shit boyfriend, and he was really upset. I spat at the bitch next I saw her and told her never to fuck around with people again. The worst part was, he thought he was wrong in asking for love back. That shits me and I think he's incredibly stupid for doing any of it. Still; she was a bitch. I should of palmed her across the face. >: (

There's this one girl in my class who treats men like toys.

She flirts with them all the time - cuddling with this, hanging off them, and even kissing them (and she's not dating any of them) - and when she actually gets into a relationship with them, she uses them for nothing but sex.

She's even admitted it. She has admitted that she uses them.

Most people in our school hate her, but yet almost everybody pretends to like her. That's the thing I don't understand.

She pisses me off to no end because she represents everything that I hate: Conceitedness, using others, looking down on others, flaunting sexuality; she's also wapanese. Oh, and she flaunts her so called depression by saying things like "I wouldn't stop myself from dieing", "Black is the only good color", etc. But that's getting off topic.

I want to kick her in the face.

At 6/6/09 10:37 AM, SCTE3 wrote: When did you first figure you were more of a bi/pansexual, gay, or whatever?

My entire life and it has been centric on denying that.

Mmmmhmm.

At 6/7/09 10:59 AM, Sawdust wrote: My entire life and it has been centric on denying that.

Not to sound all "fuck hell man why am I like this/that etc" I'll revise it

My life has been centric on denying it because I want to live a normal life; have a family and one love and all that.

Which means being bi and being attracted to some guy while you're pounding on your wife for a baby is a no-no.

But before I have a family I am okay with my orientation.

At 6/7/09 11:04 AM, Sawdust wrote: But before I have a family I am okay with my orientation.

You could always just adopt if you got into a relationship with a man.

And besides, if you're bi and you had a wife, it wouldn't matter if you were also attracted to men, because you would be in love with her. It's not like you'd be fantasizing about men when you have sex with her.

Being bi or gay doesn't impair your ability to have a family.

At 6/7/09 11:16 AM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: And besides, if you're bi and you had a wife, it wouldn't matter if you were also attracted to men, because you would be in love with her. It's not like you'd be fantasizing about men when you have sex with her.

Apparently some would beg to differ that idea.

At 6/7/09 01:01 PM, Lost-Chances wrote:

At 6/7/09 11:16 AM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: And besides, if you're bi and you had a wife, it wouldn't matter if you were also attracted to men, because you would be in love with her. It's not like you'd be fantasizing about men when you have sex with her.

Apparently some would beg to differ that idea.

Well, I'm sure that's the case for some.

And I'm sure that's the case for some heterosexuals, too. It's not based in your sexuality, it's based in who you are as a person. Being bisexual doesn't make you promiscuous.

Now, if you're completely gay and not bi, then yeah, you're going to run into some problems there in that you're not going to be attracted to your wife. But, if you're gay, don't marry a woman. You won't be happy. You can still have kids. You can adopt or you can find a surrogate mother.

At 6/7/09 01:09 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: Now, if you're completely gay and not bi, then yeah, you're going to run into some problems there in that you're not going to be attracted to your wife. But, if you're gay, don't marry a woman. You won't be happy. You can still have kids. You can adopt or you can find a surrogate mother.

I don't see why any man that is fully gay would marry a woman to be honest. This is the 21st century, right? Or are you talking about men who think they'll become heterosexual by marrying a woman?

At 6/7/09 01:09 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: Well, I'm sure that's the case for some.

And I'm sure that's the case for some heterosexuals, too. It's not based in your sexuality, it's based in who you are as a person. Being bisexual doesn't make you promiscuous.

True, but it's retarded for someone who you're involved with to feel uncomfortable of you looking at the same sex in a sexual manner. As though they lack the self esteem to care of you looking up the opposite sex but the same sex being a big "no no". This is despite the fact you likely wouldn't look at anyone else if you're happy with the person you have.

At 6/7/09 04:06 PM, GrownUpUser wrote: I don't see why any man that is fully gay would marry a woman to be honest. This is the 21st century, right? Or are you talking about men who think they'll become heterosexual by marrying a woman?

The term "fag-hag" springs to mind. I think it's really men who want to choose the mother of their children and appear as a heterosexual despite their homosexuality.

Just checking up, how's everyone doing? My week has been kind of crappy, due to some stuff, but other than that I'm alright. A little bored though.

At 6/5/09 02:47 AM, FurryDemon wrote: I'm straight (or heterosexual), but I have a question, if there was painless medicine that could change you to just straight (bi-sexuals don't need to answer though, as they are pretty lucky to have that variety,) would you take it?

This is where I sound like a traitor, but it would be tempting.

I mean, I'm bisexual anyway, and haven't had many bad experiences with women. But it would be nice to be in a relationship where I could be as publically affectionate as I wanted without worrying about having abuse shouted at me.

Or having that constant conflict where either I'm with a guy and crave being with a girl or i'm with a girl and I crave being with a guy.

There's also part of me that wants that original family idea. Get married to a man, have some kids. It annoys me that me n my partner can't have a child together that is both part of us. That I can't have sex with a husband and think 'this sex could create life'.

But if I did take the pill, it'd mean I'd stop loving my girlfriend. And I couldn't live without her, best relationship I have ever had (she puts up with my shit).

At 6/7/09 11:16 AM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: You could always just adopt if you got into a relationship with a man.

That's one of the stupidest things ever, no offense.

Raising a child that you didn't create yourself just feels wrong.

Raising it with a man feels even worse, it's like having to constantly having to injure yourself, seeing your "child" ask other children "I HAVE TWO DADDIES HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE?" and seeing the pitiful faces of other parents when you take your kid out for a walk with your lover and show slight PDA.

Anyway yeah gay parenting is very stupid imo, don't judge me for having an opinion on it :(

At 6/9/09 08:32 AM, Sawdust wrote: Raising a child that you didn't create yourself just feels wrong.

Raising it with a man feels even worse, it's like having to constantly having to injure yourself, seeing your "child" ask other children "I HAVE TWO DADDIES HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE?" and seeing the pitiful faces of other parents when you take your kid out for a walk with your lover and show slight PDA.

Anyway yeah gay parenting is very stupid imo, don't judge me for having an opinion on it :(

Well how do you feel about them using surrogate mother or whatever that would be called? Then you at least have one of the person's genes being carried on. Both if you alternate with multiple kids. If I got married to a woman and she wanted kids, I'd be totally cool with her giving birth.

Kinda sounds like you're against adoption in general, lol.

At 6/9/09 07:10 AM, BobbyJenkins wrote: There's also part of me that wants that original family idea. Get married to a man, have some kids. It annoys me that me n my partner can't have a child together that is both part of us. That I can't have sex with a husband and think 'this sex could create life'.

Actually, there's a thing you can do where they get one woman's egg and (not sure if it's another egg or another type of cell) the other woman's cell. They then deprogram the cell and split the DNA into two. They then put the deprogrammed cell into the egg which then (how, I don't know) fertilises the egg.

Then you have a child made by two women. Lucky shit.

At 6/9/09 12:00 PM, Lost-Chances wrote: Actually, there's a thing you can do where they get one woman's egg and (not sure if it's another egg or another type of cell) the other woman's cell. They then deprogram the cell and split the DNA into two. They then put the deprogrammed cell into the egg which then (how, I don't know) fertilises the egg.

Then you have a child made by two women. Lucky shit.

That sounds like a lot of hormonal expensive risky crap to go through. It's not the same as making love and boom there's a child made from both of you. Ass hormone injections and constant worry how the child would develope takes that magic away a lil. It's kinda like the trouble couples go through when they have difficulty conceiving.

At 6/9/09 08:32 AM, Sawdust wrote: Raising a child that you didn't create yourself just feels wrong.

Why?

Besides, you could always get a surrogate mother. Then it's your kid.

Raising it with a man feels even worse, it's like having to constantly having to injure yourself, seeing your "child" ask other children "I HAVE TWO DADDIES HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE?"

That implies that there's something wrong with being gay.

and seeing the pitiful faces of other parents when you take your kid out for a walk with your lover and show slight PDA.

No offense, but that's a bad reason to lie to yourself. Just because some other people don't approve of your sexuality doesn't mean you should be ashamed of it.

Anyway yeah gay parenting is very stupid imo, don't judge me for having an opinion on it :(

I'm not judging you, I'm challenging your opinion.

It just seems to me like you're planning to make yourself unhappy just because society doesn't completely approve of your sexuality.

Now, if you're bi, the problem isn't that big. You can still have a wife and kids, but there's no need to repress your sexuality. Like I said, if you love your wife, it's not like you're going to cheat on her with a man or think about men when you're having sex. You don't have to say to yourself, "I'm not bi, I'm not bi..." The the temptation would be the same as with members of the opposite sex.