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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-24 07:05:02 Reply

At 12/24/12 04:39 AM, Painbringer wrote: Jesus never actually said it was wrong.

Jesus didn't write the bible. Some geezers did. They combined a number of mixed religions in the Mediteranian region, most noticeably from the Egyptian book of the dead, as well as some truth behind Jesus (Jesus was actually quite a common name back then in relation to the area) and Jesus between his teen years and adulthood went off to India and learned Buddhism and such things. Which is why he was like he was. Ah, but I'm going to stop here before I get too in depth, because there's no point in telling you all this because nobody will really take it to heart. Unfortunately.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-24 09:32:16 Reply

At 12/24/12 08:17 AM, Ma1achi wrote: He did say in Matthew 5 that he didn't come to abolish the old law (meaning the old testament) but to fulfill it, meaning he agrees with Leviticus. o.O

The bible was written after Jesus was around. It was constructed from his teachings, but he didn't write it. Meaning there's a lot of discrepancy between what he said and what you read today.

There's also some debate as to how true the modern translations of the bible are to the original texts. I believe the stance on suicide was added to the bible in the dark ages, supposedly as an attempt to prevent peasants from killing themselves. Effectively, because each modern translation is based upon the last, the message becomes distorted over a long period of time, with quotations being altered slightly to give new meaning, certain aspects emphasised in accordance with what's considered acceptable at the time and segments mistranslated because of the evolution of language. Biblical canon, if you include the really ancient texts, is more confusing than the DC universe.

Most of the really terrible stuff is only from the New American Bible translation anyway.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-24 10:40:31 Reply

Oh my, a religious debate. I'm not going to say whether I agree, disagree, or anything, but rather go back to the question I had before and give my personal stance on it. Feel free to disagree with anything I say - assuming you have reasoning to back it up.

First of all, I'd like to state that sexuality falls under the realm of psychology.

Second, for the people who haven't taken a psychology class, it falls under the realm of 'nature vs nurture', or 'biology vs environment'. In other words, is it predisposed from birth or caused by the external world after conception?

Third, my personal stance: It is a combination of the two - nature and nurture. There are studies of homosexuals (sadly, most are on males in my knowledge) which have said that the more children a woman has, the more likely the next one will be homosexual (as an example) - I haven't heard of stress possibly causing homosexuality, but I suppose it's possible. As for the environment, I think that's more of an obvious one - a culture which accepts homosexuality is more likely to have homosexuals, while a culture that is less accepting is less likely. Research has shown that this is could be more relevant than genetics in determining sexuality.

I'd say that if it is up to choice, that 'choice' is largely determined by the environment and culture, so it could be argued that it's not really a choice at all. To me, it's more like (I HATE to use this as an example, because homosexuality isn't a bad thing) the likeliness of alcoholism - choice plays a role, and can determine sexuality, but the likelihood of this choice is determined by genetics and the environment.

I don't exactly have firsthand experience of what it's like to be homosexual since I'm actually asexual, but I think that this makes sense. Thoughts?


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-24 12:21:24 Reply

At 12/24/12 12:23 AM, SkyeWintrest wrote: Question: What if they genuinely believe that they chose to be the way they are and find nothing wrong with it? Why is this such a bad thing?

I've never met one person who said they chose to be gay who wasn't using it as a ploy to get attention. If hypothetically someone 'chose' to be gay in order to find love, I suppose that would be alright, but everyone I know who 'chose' to be that way just uses it as a way to think of themselves as an individual.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-24 13:26:31 Reply

At 12/24/12 12:21 PM, Scarface wrote:
At 12/24/12 12:23 AM, SkyeWintrest wrote: Question: What if they genuinely believe that they chose to be the way they are and find nothing wrong with it? Why is this such a bad thing?
I've never met one person who said they chose to be gay who wasn't using it as a ploy to get attention. If hypothetically someone 'chose' to be gay in order to find love, I suppose that would be alright, but everyone I know who 'chose' to be that way just uses it as a way to think of themselves as an individual.

I respect your answer for the most part. Just was curious mainly because I really dislike blanket statements.

I don't quite get why you said "a way to think of themselves as an individual". I'm going to assume you mean "in order to get more popularity", because after all - don't you apply labels to yourself that are true in order to more easily define/think of yourself as an individual?


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-24 14:33:32 Reply

At 12/24/12 01:26 PM, SkyeWintrest wrote: I don't quite get why you said "a way to think of themselves as an individual". I'm going to assume you mean "in order to get more popularity", because after all - don't you apply labels to yourself that are true in order to more easily define/think of yourself as an individual?

Teenagers these days are buying into the whole "it's hip to be square" ideal, so they look for things that would normally be uncool, and try to seem that way.

For some, this means buying a pair of glasses and labeling themselves a nerd. For others, this means kissing someone of the same gender and calling yourself bisexual or gay.

It's a way for them to get attention for being different. Their goal isn't necessarily to be popular with everyone, but to be popular with a certain crowd who considers themselves "outcasts". The hilarious part is that this crowd of "outcasts" is now in the majority.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-24 20:40:40 Reply

At 12/24/12 02:33 PM, Scarface wrote: Teenagers these days are buying into the whole "it's hip to be square" ideal, so they look for things that would normally be uncool, and try to seem that way.

Got it. Had to check.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-27 12:32:59 Reply

Did everyone have a good Christmas?

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-27 13:06:22 Reply

At 12/27/12 12:32 PM, SG3 wrote: Did everyone have a good Christmas?

yea pretty good


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-29 17:48:37 Reply

aw i missed this plase :'(
sad cuz i broke up wif my boyfreind sorry i havnt been around i aslo died so ya.....
gr8 to be back i guess
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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-29 23:14:37 Reply

Something kind of awkward happened to me recently.

First I had a chance to have sex with a guy. I felt err... attraction up until the actual moment. Then I just froze and became repulsed by the fact that he was kissing me and made him stop. I felt weird about it and decided that I just didn't like the guy and was too nervous. What's worse is a few weeks later the same thing happened, except the guy was one of my best friends that I had a crush on in high school. Same thing happened, I was turned on a little when I thought about him and he was talking about it but when it came down to it I couldn't have sex with a guy.

The only explanation is that I'm not bi and that I was wrong this entire time. I'm extremely confused and I don't feel that I should be at this age. I was so nervous with the second guy that I was shaking and breathing hard but I still don't think it's enough for nervousness to be an explanation.

I guess it's not that bad, I mean I couldn't care less what sexuality I am but now the best friend I had growing up is avoiding me and I have friends and family that think I'm bi. Plus I have the same conflicting feelings I had at age 13 as an adult. Oh well.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-30 14:46:42 Reply

At 12/29/12 11:14 PM, Entice wrote: First I had a chance to have sex with a guy. I felt err... attraction up until the actual moment.

Was it your first time ever having sex? If so, it's possible it wasn't the fact that he was a guy, you just felt a little bit nervous and got cold feet.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-30 15:20:17 Reply

At 12/29/12 11:14 PM, Entice wrote: Oh well.

Do you ever watch/jerk off to any kind of porn?

The type of porn that turns you on the most is usually a good indicator of your sexuality.

Also, I think that maybe the guys you were with were simply incompatible with you, but I might be wrong.

Either way, it's only a matter of time until you find the right person or persons, whatever their gender.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-31 09:11:51 Reply

At 12/30/12 03:20 PM, Painbringer wrote: Either way, it's only a matter of time until you find the right person or persons

DON'T MENTION THE WAR!


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-31 14:54:12 Reply

At 12/31/12 09:11 AM, Confucianism wrote: DON'T MENTION THE WAR!

Uh, what war?

Seriously, I don't get it.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-31 15:01:44 Reply

At 12/31/12 02:54 PM, Painbringer wrote: Seriously, I don't get it.

You said persons. Meaning more than two people in the relationship.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-31 15:31:20 Reply

At 12/31/12 03:01 PM, Confucianism wrote: You said persons. Meaning more than two people in the relationship.

Yea, so?

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's any less of a legitimate relationship.

Besides, it's not like monogamy is going away or anything.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-31 15:35:25 Reply

At 12/31/12 03:31 PM, Painbringer wrote: Besides, it's not like monogamy is going away or anything.

I wonder how many people it would take to be killed for it to be gone.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-31 23:27:28 Reply

At 12/31/12 03:35 PM, Confucianism wrote:
At 12/31/12 03:31 PM, Painbringer wrote: Besides, it's not like monogamy is going away or anything.
I wonder how many people it would take to be killed for it to be gone.

No offence, Confucianism, but for a dude who probably has to deal with a lot of homophobic people, you're a pretty intolerant guy. I mean, I don't consider monogamy as a satisfying relationship-structure for me to follow, but that doesn't mean I'm against other people choosing it.

It's not that you can't choose to voice your opinion about, its just you seem to do it a lot when it's not really justified or relevant, regardless of the accuracy of your views.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-31 23:34:46 Reply

At 12/31/12 11:27 PM, SG3 wrote:

That's because it's satire.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-01 00:15:34 Reply

At 12/31/12 11:27 PM, SG3 wrote: I mean, I don't consider monogamy as a satisfying relationship-structure for me to follow, but that doesn't mean I'm against other people choosing it.

And I could never be a part of a polygamous relationship, but I certainly don't look down on anyone else who does that.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-01 00:18:59 Reply

At 1/1/13 12:15 AM, Scarface wrote: I certainly don't look down on anyone else who does that.

Neither do I. I just really don't like it.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-01 01:00:22 Reply

At 1/1/13 12:18 AM, Confucianism wrote: I just really don't like it.

Care to list some reasons besides "it's morally wrong and it offends me"?

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-01 04:20:41 Reply

I don't even know what I am, all I do know is that there is this ONE kid, that makes me crazy. I think he's either just joking around or he actually likes me.

I can't really describe it.

It's gay I know but like I can't stand the feeling.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-01 08:23:16 Reply

Sorry, I meant polygamy, not monogamy. I could never consider a polygamous relationship satisfying.

I was drinking last night.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-01 10:21:46 Reply

At 1/1/13 01:00 AM, Painbringer wrote: Care to list some reasons

Ah-ha. No, I don't care to.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-01 15:29:54 Reply

At 1/1/13 08:23 AM, SG3 wrote: Sorry, I meant polygamy, not monogamy. I could never consider a polygamous relationship satisfying.

Polygamy: One man, multiple "wives."

Polyamory: Multiple partners in the same relationship, all equals.

I was drinking last night.

So was I.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-04 22:24:50 Reply

hey just wondering who are your guys celebrity crushes?

i like megan fox and demi lovato but channing tatum is a sexy mothafucka. id bang em all and taylor launter im getting interested in him too

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-04 22:54:17 Reply

At 1/4/13 10:24 PM, SpamOfCan wrote: hey just wondering who are your guys celebrity crushes?

Dave Fucking Vanian. I admit, I crush probably too much, but what the hell. In addition to being attractive, he's actually a good singer. If you've never heard The Damned or The Phantom Chords, I'd recommend you give them a listen.

Though I'd have to say Liev Schreiber is hot as well.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2013-01-04 23:38:02 Reply

...well uhhh...Bear Grylls...I think is adorable. Look at his wrinkly facial expressions d'awww.

But I guess like for the big screen celebs, I crush on Michael Fassbender

mmph.

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