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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-11 19:57:38 Reply

Looks like England's set to have gay marriage legalised by 2015. But the Church Of England has explicitly opted out of the law, so it will be illegal for them to perform ceremonies, considered an impingement on religious freedoms.

Sounds like good news. I didn't know that so many British Conservatives are opposed to gay marriage, though. The majority of my family are Tories and they're all strongly in favour of it.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-11 20:02:37 Reply

At 12/11/12 07:57 PM, SG3 wrote: Looks like England's set to have gay marriage legalised by 2015. But the Church Of England has explicitly opted out of the law, so it will be illegal for them to perform ceremonies, considered an impingement on religious freedoms.

Why should churches be forced to perform ceremonies that they do not believe in?

It is fair enough that ceremonies be allowed to be performed everywhere else.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-11 20:49:42 Reply

At 12/11/12 08:02 PM, Painbringer wrote:
At 12/11/12 07:57 PM, SG3 wrote: Looks like England's set to have gay marriage legalised by 2015. But the Church Of England has explicitly opted out of the law, so it will be illegal for them to perform ceremonies, considered an impingement on religious freedoms.
Why should churches be forced to perform ceremonies that they do not believe in?

It is fair enough that ceremonies be allowed to be performed everywhere else.

That's really why they put that law in place; so they aren't pressured into marrying gay people when they don't want to.

I don't really have a problem with that. I mean, it sucks that they still refuse to accept gay marriage / gayness in general (I think there are a lot of followers who are actively rejecting the entire legislation, and don't want gay marriage, period), but I guess they have that right.

One problem is that this makes it illegal for any Church of England churches marrying gay people, including those who aren't opposed to gay marriage. There are a some Church of England members who are fine with homosexuality, and didn't get a say in this law. The division wasn't factored in because the church doesn't vote for stuff like this; interaction with the government is mainly done by high-ranking members of the church, who typically have more conservative views on gay marriage.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-13 01:05:53 Reply

At 12/7/12 05:50 PM, Painbringer wrote: IFUN is claiming to be the OP.

That I am. It was always an alt. There was a while I pretended that it wasn't, and I'm not entirely sure why.

At 12/11/12 07:57 PM, SG3 wrote: Looks like England's set to have gay marriage legalised by 2015.

Good to hear it.

But the Church Of England has explicitly opted out of the law, so it will be illegal for them to perform ceremonies, considered an impingement on religious freedoms.

Unless I'm not understanding this it right, it seems like there should be a better way of resolving that legislation. All religious groups have variations in what their follows believe. They all have factions. The fact that the leaders of the religion are opposed to gay marriage shouldn't get in the way of the desire of the more progressive faction to participate in the law. It's not a problem over here in Massachusetts. Individual churches decide whether or not they want to preform homosexual weddings, and it works fine. I suppose this may have been some sort of political compromise to get the law passed. It just seems like having all churches in the Church of England unable to opt in will only hold back progress.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-13 07:57:01 Reply

At 12/13/12 01:05 AM, O0-0O-O0-0O wrote: England unable to opt in will only hold back progress.
England will only hold back progress.
England- progress.

We still have a bloody royal family. How bloody backwards is that. We're not living in the middle ages anymore for fucks sake.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-14 13:50:26 Reply

Stephen Fry is so amazing wouldn't you say? He's one of my favorite people in the whole world.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-14 16:35:44 Reply

At 12/14/12 03:49 PM, Provoke wrote:
At 12/14/12 01:50 PM, Confucianism wrote: Stephen Fry is so amazing wouldn't you say? He's one of my favorite people in the whole world.
I agree extremely, stephen fry is just marvellous in every way.

In every way.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-14 17:03:47 Reply

I'm going to laugh if the U.S. Supreme Court rules pop 8 unconstitutional and subsequently rules that gay marriage is a fundamental right granted by the 14th amendment.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-14 17:15:42 Reply

At 12/14/12 05:03 PM, Light wrote: I'm going to laugh if the U.S. Supreme Court rules pop 8 unconstitutional and subsequently rules that gay marriage is a fundamental right granted by the 14th amendment.

And we'll all be laughing with you. Good times.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-14 18:47:14 Reply

At 12/14/12 01:50 PM, Confucianism wrote: Stephen Fry is so amazing wouldn't you say? He's one of my favorite people in the whole world.

Stephen Fry is brilliant. I love his sketch show with Hugh Laurie.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-15 07:35:13 Reply

At 12/14/12 06:47 PM, SG3 wrote: Stephen Fry is brilliant. I love his sketch show with Hugh Laurie.

A bit of Fry and Laurie. Yeah, that was great. Jeeves and Wooster was good too.

If I had the kind of grip on the English language that Mr Fry has, I would use it as he does.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 12:34:52 Reply

So...this club is basically this forum?

I'm gay...can I come in?

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 13:02:07 Reply

At 12/16/12 12:34 PM, ZipZipper wrote: So...this club is basically this forum?

No. This club is apart of the forum.

I'm gay...can I come in?

I would like to tell you to come outside, but I'd prefer you didn't come at all.
However if you would like to join then that would be acceptable.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 13:07:48 Reply

At 12/16/12 01:02 PM, Confucianism wrote:
At 12/16/12 12:34 PM, ZipZipper wrote: So...this club is basically this forum?
No. This club is apart of the forum.

I'm gay...can I come in?
I would like to tell you to come outside, but I'd prefer you didn't come at all.
However if you would like to join then that would be acceptable.

This makes me feel unwelcome :(


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 13:25:54 Reply

At 12/16/12 01:07 PM, ZipZipper wrote: This makes me feel unwelcome :(

Then you're a bigger woman than I am.

But you can join. You should join.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 15:24:18 Reply

At 12/16/12 01:07 PM, ZipZipper wrote: This makes me feel unwelcome :(

Confucianism is a little intense. You'll get used to it.

You're totally welcome in here.

Welcome, etc.
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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 15:31:29 Reply

At 12/16/12 03:24 PM, SG3 wrote: Confucianism is a little intense. You'll get used to it.

Am I? Hehehe, how so? Is that bad?

You're totally welcome in here.

That's what 'I' said....


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 16:08:05 Reply

At 12/16/12 01:07 PM, ZipZipper wrote: This makes me feel unwelcome :(

I welcome you, new guy.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 16:38:43 Reply

At 12/16/12 12:34 PM, ZipZipper wrote: So...this club is basically this forum?

It's a thread in the Clubs/Crews forum.

I'm gay...can I come in?

Absolutely!


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 17:23:46 Reply

Well I just figured out that there's a general community forum section...full of club threads, if that's the technical term. I had only been perusing the audio forum before. Now I see there are queer people. Mirth.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 20:44:49 Reply

i wanna suck a cock


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-16 21:29:04 Reply

At 12/16/12 08:44 PM, notYert wrote: i wanna suck a cock

You're a minor, so be sure to follow local laws before you do so.

Or you could take some Yoga lessons.

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At 12/16/12 09:29 PM, Painbringer wrote:
At 12/16/12 08:44 PM, notYert wrote: i wanna suck a cock
You're a minor, so be sure to follow local laws before you do so.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-17 02:04:13 Reply

At 12/16/12 10:05 PM, notYert wrote: fuck tha poleese

I see someones into role playing. Not my cup of tea but whatever floats your boat.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-18 05:49:06 Reply

At 12/18/12 01:49 AM, NavonodGames wrote: But I'm glad I don't fall into the stereotype which it seems you guys have and the rest of the 'gay/bi community'.

And what stereotype are you referring to?

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-18 14:12:57 Reply

At 12/18/12 12:35 PM, NavonodGames wrote:
At 12/18/12 05:49 AM, Painbringer wrote:
At 12/18/12 01:49 AM, NavonodGames wrote: But I'm glad I don't fall into the stereotype which it seems you guys have and the rest of the 'gay/bi community'.
And what stereotype are you referring to?
Bragging about being gay,

I haven't seen this demonstrated in our club. Yes, people acknowledge their sexuality here, if that's the case. But I don't think "I'm gay, can I join" constitutes bragging.

being very cliquey,

Obviously by being forming a club, we're demonstrating how "underground" and unappreciated we are by the majority of society.

narrow conversation only about sex or homophobia,

This is a club specifically dedicated to sexuality. Of course it will cover those topics reasonably frequently. Just because we bring up our sexuality here, doesn't mean there aren't literally thousands of other aspects of our personality we also

extreme promiscuity,

Sorry, that hasn't been established at all in this club. The majority of LGBT people here are inexperienced adolescents, like the rest of NG. And what constitutes "extreme promiscuity" anyway? There's a finite number of partners you're okay with us having, but beyond that you draw the line?

anti religion,

I'm fairly sure we have theistic members in this group. When ever religion is brought up unfavourably, it's purely the small group of religions (most denominations of Christianity excluded) that consider homosexuality amoral. That doesn't qualify as anti-religious. That's like telling me I'm anti Remero movies because I disliked Land Of The Dead.

conceited, etc. etc. etc.

I think you're just describing a high-school clique now.

Probably why the world makes fun of gays and slanders them with that 'horrible' word I can't say.

I'm sure most gay people are fine with the word "fag" so long as the word isn't used in a derogatory manner. I for one don't mind.

You've already spoken of your bisexuality, which is why these homophobic generalisations seem so damaging. To have such thoughts paired with a conflicting sexual orientation is really tough. I can empathise with you, but to justify your own inferiority complex with a shallow critique of total strangers supposed issues makes you a very unsympathetic individual.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-18 14:20:28 Reply

It's funny because he's full of shit.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-18 16:02:25 Reply

At 12/18/12 12:35 PM, NavonodGames wrote: Bragging about being gay, being very cliquey,

How? Is being gay the "in" thing with straight people right now?

narrow conversation only about sex

As a long time member, we actually don't talk about sex that much.

homophobia,

Naturally.

extreme promiscuity,

Some of us are promiscuous, and some are not. Just like heterosexuals.

anti religion

None of us are anti-religion, but a lot of the instances of homophobia are committed by religious people, or in the name of a religion, so I can see why you got that idea.

conceited

Again, nope. Being gay isn't something to be conceited about, just like being straight isn't something to be conceited about. It's just a part of who a person is, nothing really that special.

Probably why the world makes fun of gays and slanders them with that 'horrible' word I can't say.

Actually, I use the word faggot pretty frequently. For example, we are gay, and you're a total faggot.

Nice meeting you, though.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-18 16:09:29 Reply

At 12/18/12 04:02 PM, Scarface wrote: How? Is being gay the "in" thing with straight people right now?

Pretending to be bisexual at school is apparently "in" at the moment. Disgusting. (I call a lot of things disgusting)

As a long time member, we actually don't talk about sex that much.

And I generally don't post during such times. Just like with homophobia and religion.

Some of us are promiscuous, and some are not. Just like heterosexuals.

And some just out right hate it.

Nice meeting you, though.

You jest.

Being gay isn't that special at all. It's been going on in every single continent for over a thousand years. Give or take.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-12-18 16:17:03 Reply

At 12/18/12 04:09 PM, Confucianism wrote:
At 12/18/12 04:02 PM, Scarface wrote: How? Is being gay the "in" thing with straight people right now?
Pretending to be bisexual at school is apparently "in" at the moment. Disgusting. (I call a lot of things disgusting)

Mostly with girls. Even so, I hate being bisexual.


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