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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-26 16:59:28 Reply

At 10/26/12 04:07 PM, Light wrote: Silly me.

Yes, silly you. That being the soul reason I hoped people would not respond.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-27 17:09:17 Reply

At 10/27/12 03:42 PM, Rummy0 wrote: GOD I JUST LOVE LICKING CUNT AND SUCKING COCK

Then that makes you a very proud bisexual.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-28 10:46:25 Reply

At 10/27/12 05:09 PM, Painbringer wrote:
At 10/27/12 03:42 PM, Rummy0 wrote: GOD I JUST LOVE LICKING CUNT AND SUCKING COCK
Then that makes you a very proud bisexual.

I don't like it.......


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-28 17:13:23 Reply

At 10/28/12 10:46 AM, Confucianism wrote: I don't like it.......

You don't like a lot of things.

Sometimes I even wonder if you're sexual at all...

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-28 18:37:50 Reply

At 10/28/12 05:13 PM, Painbringer wrote: You don't like a lot of things.

That depends upon what topic we're talking about.

Sometimes I even wonder if you're sexual at all...

What kind of sexual? Just because I don't dabble in the ideas in having sex with any number of man or woman, not to mention even putting such things into practice, does not mean I'm not sexual.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: I'm only interested in one person. I only ever have been. And because I'm a realist I won't say "And I only ever will be". Although I do not doubt such a thing.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-28 20:04:21 Reply

At 10/28/12 06:37 PM, Confucianism wrote: I'm only interested in one person.

Could it be possible that you're holding everyone else to too high of standards?

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-28 22:21:46 Reply

At 10/28/12 08:04 PM, Scarface wrote: Could it be possible that you're holding everyone else to too high of standards?

No. Although everyone else does pale in comparison to such beauty as he holds. The thing is, that due to having only been attracted to one person in my life and never cared to look at others as a guid of who to go out with, I haven't got any kind of standards set for them. How can I set standards for people I'll never care to look at?


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-29 05:42:25 Reply

I'm still mad that you are so exclusive, yet you disrespect me for thinking in a sexual liberal kind of way.

Perhaps you think there is a chance of us being together, someday, but I don't think that will ever be.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-29 10:15:11 Reply

At 10/29/12 05:42 AM, Painbringer wrote: I'm still mad that you are so exclusive, yet you disrespect me for thinking in a sexual liberal kind of way.

Why don't you like that I'm 'exclusive'? Even though I view that a bad choice of words.

Perhaps you think there is a chance of us being together, someday, but I don't think that will ever be.

I never wanted to be with you. And I never will.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-29 12:45:38 Reply

At 10/29/12 10:15 AM, Confucianism wrote: I never wanted to be with you. And I never will.

It smells like drama in here

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-29 13:21:01 Reply

At 10/29/12 12:45 PM, Entice wrote: It smells like drama in here

He's the one that denied a claim that was none existent. So you can leave me out of this.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-29 14:33:42 Reply

At 10/29/12 10:15 AM, Confucianism wrote: Why don't you like that I'm 'exclusive'? Even though I view that a bad choice of words.

It's not the exclusivity I'm mad at; that is your choice: It is the fact that you judged me for even bringing up the idea of polyamory.

I never wanted to be with you. And I never will.

Good. I'm glad we got that out of the way.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-29 14:39:45 Reply

At 10/29/12 02:33 PM, Painbringer wrote: It's not the exclusivity I'm mad at; that is your choice: It is the fact that you judged me for even bringing up the idea of polyamory.

Why did you mention what I am then? I was judging on the precepts of whether or not you would. And on the actual idea of it.

Good. I'm glad we got that out of the way.

But you put that in the way. It's like you spilling some food and then claiming I did it.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-30 19:16:23 Reply

At 10/29/12 02:39 PM, Confucianism wrote: Why did you mention what I am then? I was judging on the precepts of whether or not you would. And on the actual idea of it.

I just found it rude that you judged me, that's all.

It's like you spilling some food and then claiming I did it.

Ah, but you distracted me and made me spill the food. So it's your fault. :-P

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-31 15:49:01 Reply

At 10/30/12 07:16 PM, Painbringer wrote: Ah, but you distracted me and made me spill the food. So it's your fault. :-P

Wrong.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-10-31 15:53:27 Reply

At 10/31/12 03:49 PM, Confucianism wrote: Wrong.

I was obviously making a joke.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-01 00:33:07 Reply

At 10/28/12 10:21 PM, Confucianism wrote:
At 10/28/12 08:04 PM, Scarface wrote: Could it be possible that you're holding everyone else to too high of standards?
No. Although everyone else does pale in comparison to such beauty as he holds. The thing is, that due to having only been attracted to one person in my life and never cared to look at others as a guid of who to go out with, I haven't got any kind of standards set for them. How can I set standards for people I'll never care to look at?

To answer the last question in your post, that is very easy. If you were to hold anyone else up to the standard that he is. Nobody can compare to him. He is where the bar is set and you don't view anyone as being as good as him. You don't have to have perspective to have a high or narrow standard.
I'm not making a comment on what YOUR standard is, I'm just simply answering that question in a general sense.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 09:10:29 Reply

At 11/1/12 12:33 AM, Sensationalism wrote: To answer the last question in your post, that is very easy. If you were to hold anyone else up to the standard that he is. Nobody can compare to him. He is where the bar is set and you don't view anyone as being as good as him.

Ah, but you see. If I were never actually interested in anyone else, I would not be able to set the mark because there is nothing else I would be interested in.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 17:51:33 Reply

You know, I think one of the reasons I originally became so promiscuous is because when I was growing up porn became like a drug, and discussing penis related stuff with other guys also gave me an endorphin rush.

I developed a philosophy of sex = fun and should be enjoyed by all.

I guess the whole monogamous relationship thing didn't really work for me because I was a selfish loner most of my life.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 18:03:57 Reply

At 11/2/12 05:51 PM, Painbringer wrote: You know, I think one of the reasons I originally became so promiscuous is because when I was growing up porn became like a drug, and discussing penis related stuff with other guys also gave me an endorphin rush.

I developed a philosophy of sex = fun and should be enjoyed by all.

I guess the whole monogamous relationship thing didn't really work for me because I was a selfish loner most of my life.

Thoughts?

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I never felt like that. And in fact steered the conversation elsewhere if it ever appeared to be heading in that direction. It's not something I find very interesting to talk about and in fact found it somewhat revolting to hear people talk about it. Nor have I ever had a fondness for porn. I despise it in fact. But not those who view it of course.

You should have gathered my philosophy on sex by now. If you had cared to that is.

My view of relationships is based solely on my own opinion. Considering that I've distanced myself from ever really talking about such things with people I was never influenced by other people as to what my view would be. So it were as if I had taught myself if one were to put it into a lesson context.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 18:38:07 Reply

At 11/2/12 06:03 PM, Confucianism wrote: You should have gathered my philosophy on sex by now. If you had cared to that is.

And what is that philosophy?

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 18:44:54 Reply

At 11/2/12 06:38 PM, Painbringer wrote: And what is that philosophy?

Due to my own nature as being a realist, I have two views. But the latter one is what I follow in practice.

1. That sex is meant to harbor offspring and for that reason alone. Pleasure is just there to encourage us to do it. Just as we eat and drink.

2. That it is something to consummate your feelings for someone and only to be done so with this one person.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 19:36:29 Reply

At 11/2/12 06:44 PM, Confucianism wrote: 1. That sex is meant to harbor offspring and for that reason alone. Pleasure is just there to encourage us to do it. Just as we eat and drink.

2. That it is something to consummate your feelings for someone and only to be done so with this one person.

Well then, I'll just have to accept that you're conservative (sexually) and leave it at that.

Engaging in gay sex of any kind violates the first rule, so I'm in for a penny, in for a pound.

I don't necessarily disagree with the second rule, but I see it as more of a settling down thing that comes with age.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 19:43:04 Reply

At 11/2/12 07:36 PM, Painbringer wrote: Well then, I'll just have to accept that you're conservative (sexually) and leave it at that.

Conservative sex is hardly romanticised.

Engaging in gay sex of any kind violates the first rule, so I'm in for a penny, in for a pound.

It's not a rule. It's an observation.

I don't necessarily disagree with the second rule, but I see it as more of a settling down thing that comes with age.

Well I see it as something I would always follow.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 21:07:36 Reply

If I recall correctly, other animals don't actually get a feeling of satisfaction from sex, as we do. While from an evolutionary standpoint, I'll admit sex is intended for reproductive purposes, considering that fact, I can pretty safely differentiate natural instinct with the modern human need for sex.

I'm going out on a limb here and say that sex is considered necessary for humans rather as a sort of distraction from their rational minds. I think that once you reach a high enough level of consciousness, sex-drive finds a secondary purpose as a way of justifying / giving incentive to existence. The same way our opinion on the meaning of life has evolved beyond "copulate to ensure the survival of the species" to "find some kind of personal existential significance".

Not that Confucianism is wrong, but I think looking at it such black-and-white terms is a little unreasonable, given our position as intelligent life-forms.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 22:17:56 Reply

If sex for animals is all about procreation, then how do you explain chimpanzees and gay animals?

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-02 23:27:08 Reply

At 11/2/12 10:17 PM, Painbringer wrote: If sex for animals is all about procreation, then how do you explain chimpanzees and gay animals?

I'm unsure about the level of personhood prevalent in simians, so if they're capable of feeling pleasure from sex I suppose that puts them on a higher level of sentience than other animals.

Gay animals aren't fucking because they're totally into laying all the dudes they can, they do it because their brain structure is defined in such a way (I think because it's formed to closer match the brain of the opposite sex) that, when their chemically prompted to find a mate, they'll do so with one of their own sex. Just because they can be gay, that doesn't mean they feel good about having sex the same way we do. Their need to have sex despite orientation probably stems from the same innate motive to preserve the species, regardless of their inability to reproduce that way. It's a misrepresentation of instinct.

That, or I'm way off. If you can invalidate my argument I'll poke around and re-evaluate my position on the subject.


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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-03 18:51:38 Reply

At 11/2/12 11:27 PM, SG3 wrote: That, or I'm way off. If you can invalidate my argument I'll poke around and re-evaluate my position on the subject.

Animals do get pleasure from sex. They're not aware that sex leads to reproduction so there must be some sort of incentive such as pleasure.

Like anything that's pleasurable they can learn how to obtain some amount of satisfaction without actually have sex which is why they masturbate (masturbation has been known to take place in a variety of animals). I'd say that if an animal can feel pleasure then their invividual motivation would be obtaining pleasure, not reproduction even though the act of sex usually leads to the latter.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-03 19:35:36 Reply

At 11/3/12 06:51 PM, Entice wrote: Animals do get pleasure from sex. They're not aware that sex leads to reproduction so there must be some sort of incentive such as pleasure.

That's true, it's well known that dolphins often have sex merely for pleasure. I think it has more to do with mammals than animals in general.

But coming back to the topic of human reproduction, there are several factors that play into what sex actually does for us. Sex and love are definitely two different worlds entirely, yet they can be profoundly connected. The old argument is that humans aren't naturally monogamous. Yes we are able to have sex with multiple people but we are also very hard wired to have a committed relationship with one person.

When it comes down to it, there's no umbrella philosophy for sex and love that fits every person. Some will be promiscuous and some are only interested in one person. You can't judge someone's interests based on your own experiences.

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Response to Newgrounds Gay/bisexual Users Club 2012-11-03 20:43:23 Reply

At 11/3/12 07:35 PM, RobinDB wrote:
At 11/3/12 06:51 PM, Entice wrote: Animals do get pleasure from sex. They're not aware that sex leads to reproduction so there must be some sort of incentive such as pleasure.
That's true, it's well known that dolphins often have sex merely for pleasure. I think it has more to do with mammals than animals in general.

It is a common myth that animals do not (as a rule) have sex for pleasure, or alternatively that humans, pigs (and perhaps dolphins and one or two species of primate) are the only species which do. This is sometimes formulated "animals mate only for reproduction".

Just did a quick google. Also:

Animals other than humans have no awareness that their sexual activities are connected with reproduction: They engage in sex because they're biologically driven to do so, and if the fulfillment of their urges produces a physical sensation we might appropriately call 'pleasure,' it isn't the least bit affected by the possibility (or impossibility) of producing offspring.

I stand corrected. Apparently there's some leniency over the definitions, as with other emotions of animals, but that's sufficient ground for me to rethink my claim.

Male penguin couples have been documented to mate for life, build nests together, and to use a stone as a surrogate egg in nesting and brooding. In 2004, the Central Park Zoo in the United States replaced one male couple's stone with a fertilized egg, which the couple then raised as their own offspring. "Humans have created the myth that sexuality can be justified only by reproduction, which by definition limits it to hetero sex," says Michael Bronski. "But here is an animal society that uses homosexuality to improve its social life."

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