At 8/7/10 04:31 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:
studmuffin (name, not description) needs to get his ass handed to him, I'm out of town for a few days, so can someone else go in there give him his moneys worth in debate?
He never responded to anything I said about homosexuality in history. Indeed the conversation seemed to spiral into a discussion about how to get cookies. What follows is what I wrote in response, for those possibly interested in reading it:
": Greeks had homosexual relations, they weren't really persecuted for it in their time. Indeed the Spartans were encouraged to have affairs with other men, especially in their fighting unit as they would try to outfight their lover. Greek philosophers are often quoted to this day and they were a highly advanced civilization.
First recorded homosexual couple were two Egyptian males in 2400 BC. I didn't find any reference to them being looked down upon. Male Azande warriors in the northern Congo region often took male lovers. Women in Lesotho (also in Africa) often engaged in socially sanctioned long term erotic relationships.
In the America's before European colonization there were often folks who were homosexual and became tribe shamans. Spanish conquerers were horrified to see open displays of sodomy and tried to crush it out with such actions as public executions, burning, and being torn to pieces by dogs.
Homosexuality in Japan, variously known as shudo or nanshoku has been documented for over one thousand years and was an integral part of Buddhist monastic life and the samurai tradition. This same-sex love culture gave rise to strong traditions of painting and literature documenting and celebrating such relationships.
All Roman Emperors, except Claudius and ending with Theodosius I, took male lovers. A Christian Emperor (Theodosius I) was the one to put a stop to this with public burnings of "passive" male lovers, and Justinian extended this to "active" male lovers at the end of his reign.
During the Renaissance, there was plenty of homosexual intercourse in the wealthy cities in Northern Italy, though the authorities tried to crack down on this as much as possible.
That's just a little bit of cultures. Not even mentioning China, the Middle East and so forth. It would seem that many cultures throughout history were either tolerant or outright accepting of homosexuality until Christianity came along (sometimes crushing it out with brutal force. Ripped apart by dogs? Really? That's moral?). That's not even me mentioning how today in Afghanistan, there are a great many men who claim that "women are for breeding, men are for pleasure... but homosexuality is bad. Yes it is,". Figure that one out.
So it would seem that a religion I believe was meant to teach respect and love, has done some pretty horrible things to crush out the love two consenting adults have between each other."
There are all things I looked up, very easily. They weren't tucked away behind miles of crap, or disguised. They are just facts.
Also, thought this link would be of interest to you folks.