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At 7/30/10 05:18 PM, Shikamarana wrote: loves cock

Sounds like you love penis.

At 7/30/10 05:18 PM, Shikamarana wrote: I'm not gay or anything I think, I'm not afraid of being gay either like I would be ok, but I really wanna suck a penis. I wanna find a nice guy, someone I can trust, and just suck his fucking penis.
I really likes penis. Stuff isn't as hot unless there's a penis.

Well if you are wanting to whack a label on that I'd say you are at the very least bicurious. Hit up your local gay bars, find yourself a cute guy and go from there. Best of luck on your cock-seeking adventure!

At 7/30/10 05:18 PM, Shikamarana wrote: I'm not gay or anything I think
but I really wanna suck a penis.

Aha. Well, as convential wisdom goes, don't make eye contact, make sure the blasss don't touch, and say "No Homo" afterwards. I hear those are the magic steps you must go through in order for it to not give you the gay.

At 7/31/10 02:09 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: Aha. Well, as convential wisdom goes, don't make eye contact, make sure the blasss don't touch, and say "No Homo" afterwards. I hear those are the magic steps you must go through in order for it to not give you the gay.

It IS highly contagious after all.

At 7/30/10 01:14 PM, Scarface wrote: They're still not convinced that I'm gay, even though I've only had one girlfriend my entire life. For one week. God, they're dumb.

I wouldn't be too quick to say that they're of that opinion because they're stupid. I'm assuming they just don't want to believe it because they don't want to deal with it. For someone who is homophobic, to have someone you're close to come out to you as gay or bi is going to upset everything that you thought you understood about the issue; thus, I can sort of empathize. That doesn't make it right, but it is understandable to me.

Just some food for thought.

At 7/31/10 02:13 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 7/30/10 01:14 PM, Scarface wrote: They're still not convinced that I'm gay, even though I've only had one girlfriend my entire life. For one week. God, they're dumb.

I wouldn't be too quick to say that they're of that opinion because they're stupid. I'm assuming they just don't want to believe it because they don't want to deal with it. For someone who is homophobic, to have someone you're close to come out to you as gay or bi is going to upset everything that you thought you understood about the issue; thus, I can sort of empathize. That doesn't make it right, but it is understandable to me.

Just some food for thought.

True, I don't really think they're stupid. I just wish they had been more accepting of it than they were. They still love me, but they don't want me to be gay. I guess I feel the same way. I never wanted to be gay.

i dont think, at first, people WANT to be gay. i mean, who would choose to subject themselves to ridicule and become a minority. not many, unless you include girls who say they're bi just to make guys hard. but what i mean is that after you realize you are gay, and grow stronger from it, you tell the phobes to piss off, and you grow stronger as a person. and you grow pride for what makes you different.

At 8/1/10 09:19 AM, HappyMango wrote: i dont think, at first, people WANT to be gay. i mean, who would choose to subject themselves to ridicule and become a minority. not many, unless you include girls who say they're bi just to make guys hard. but what i mean is that after you realize you are gay, and grow stronger from it, you tell the phobes to piss off, and you grow stronger as a person. and you grow pride for what makes you different.

It's not just that. Remember how I said I grew up in a very Christian family? Well because of that, I was basically raised to believe that homosexuality was wrong, so now that I'm bisexual (or at the very least, bicurious) I don't know what to believe in anymore.

At 8/1/10 11:36 AM, Scarface wrote: It's not just that. Remember how I said I grew up in a very Christian family? Well because of that, I was basically raised to believe that homosexuality was wrong, so now that I'm bisexual (or at the very least, bicurious) I don't know what to believe in anymore.

You just need to think about everything that's happened and think critically about all that you used to believe about homosexuality from living in a homophobic home. Do those arguments really stand up against what you are experiencing now? Consider that it wasn't your choice, that you clearly couldn't have been sinning due to the fact that it was and still is out of your control.

At 8/1/10 11:44 AM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: You just need to think about everything that's happened and think critically about all that you used to believe about homosexuality from living in a homophobic home. Do those arguments really stand up against what you are experiencing now? Consider that it wasn't your choice, that you clearly couldn't have been sinning due to the fact that it was and still is out of your control.

I'm still not sure what I'm doing is right, though. Although I don't feel like my homosexual feelings are purely lustful, I'm still worried that if I embrace who I am, I'll spend eternity in hell. As childish as it may sound to be afraid of this, I can't shake the feeling that if I'm gay, I can't go to heaven. I don't even know if either of them exist anymore.

At 8/1/10 07:28 PM, Scarface wrote: I'm still not sure what I'm doing is right, though. Although I don't feel like my homosexual feelings are purely lustful, I'm still worried that if I embrace who I am, I'll spend eternity in hell. As childish as it may sound to be afraid of this, I can't shake the feeling that if I'm gay, I can't go to heaven. I don't even know if either of them exist anymore.

I can understand why you would feel that way, but think to yourself, why would God damn you to hell for something that was out of your control? I don't see how you can be held responsible for what was either given to you at birth or caused by environment influences that you yourself did not chose to be exposed to.

My personal opinion on the matter is this: if a god does exist, which it may, then what is going to matter to it is not whether you follow the finite details of the bible (if that is what it does expect, then everyone who's ever done a house chore on a Sunday is going to hell) but rather the things that you do to show compassion, forgiveness, honestly, empathy, etc to the people and to the world around you. Do god's work by helping those in need, resisting the influences of greed, being a positive influence of your community and by being honest to yourself and others and all of those other little details like whether your work on the sabbath, have a homosexual lover or all these other things will be absolved.

I come from a very Christian home, but not in the religious doctrine sense. My parents are deeply rooted in their spirituality and their connection with what they believe is God. They do their best to be the best people that they can, to be God's children to the best of their ability, despite the fact that they don't follow a lot of the strict religious traditions of the orthodox church. And then there's the pastor of the church that I sometimes attend who tells us that it's our duty to god to think critically about what we believe, marries homosexual couples in his church and who takes our youth group on trips to the Boston Science Museum to see presentations on the big bang and evolution (because he believes that the two - god and evolution - can coexist). So that forces me to think, how can these people who give so much to their communities and to their loved ones be scorned by God when they've dedicated their lives to the teachings of Jesus and the disciples?

What does it mean to be a good Christian? Honestly, no one knows. But, is it really holier to live your life consumed by a self hatred that stunts you from moving forward or to make peace with who the universe had made you to be so that you can say to yourself, "Now is the time to stop being concerned with who I would or should have been and start focusing on being the catalyst for positive change and for an expanding communal sense of compassion"?

Of course, this is just my perspective and I'm not trying to tell you what you should believe, but I just thought I would throw it in there for you to consider if you chose to do so.

At 8/1/10 08:50 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 8/1/10 07:28 PM, Scarface wrote: I'm still not sure what I'm doing is right, though. Although I don't feel like my homosexual feelings are purely lustful, I'm still worried that if I embrace who I am, I'll spend eternity in hell. As childish as it may sound to be afraid of this, I can't shake the feeling that if I'm gay, I can't go to heaven. I don't even know if either of them exist anymore.

I can understand why you would feel that way, but think to yourself, why would God damn you to hell for something that was out of your control? I don't see how you can be held responsible for what was either given to you at birth or caused by environment influences that you yourself did not chose to be exposed to.

That's the problem. I don't know if I can't control my urges, or I just don't think I can, or that I'm choosing not to.

My personal opinion on the matter is this: if a god does exist, which it may, then what is going to matter to it is not whether you follow the finite details of the bible (if that is what it does expect, then everyone who's ever done a house chore on a Sunday is going to hell) but rather the things that you do to show compassion, forgiveness, honestly, empathy, etc to the people and to the world around you. Do god's work by helping those in need, resisting the influences of greed, being a positive influence of your community and by being honest to yourself and others and all of those other little details like whether your work on the sabbath, have a homosexual lover or all these other things will be absolved. I come from a very Christian home, but not in the religious doctrine sense. My parents are deeply rooted in their spirituality and their connection with what they believe is God. They do their best to be the best people that they can, to be God's children to the best of their ability, despite the fact that they don't follow a lot of the strict religious traditions of the orthodox church. And then there's the pastor of the church that I sometimes attend who tells us that it's our duty to god to think critically about what we believe, marries homosexual couples in his church and who takes our youth group on trips to the Boston Science Museum to see presentations on the big bang and evolution (because he believes that the two - god and evolution - can coexist). So that forces me to think, how can these people who give so much to their communities and to their loved ones be scorned by God when they've dedicated their lives to the teachings of Jesus and the disciples?

The people like your pastor and your parents are the kind of people that I like. The people that believe in good morals and values, but aren't anal about every detail of the Bible. I am Catholic, and my religion is notorious for hating people who are different. As a matter of fact, it is Catholic belief that Catholics, and ONLY Catholics can get into heaven. According to Catholic belief, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, ect. are all going to hell, regardless of how they led their lives.

At 8/1/10 07:28 PM, Scarface wrote: I'm still not sure what I'm doing is right, though. Although I don't feel like my homosexual feelings are purely lustful, I'm still worried that if I embrace who I am, I'll spend eternity in hell. As childish as it may sound to be afraid of this, I can't shake the feeling that if I'm gay, I can't go to heaven. I don't even know if either of them exist anymore.

Homosexuality isn't just found in humans, it is found across the animal kingdom. What kind of god would make people a certain way and then automatically condemn certain ones for being themselves? That doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if you believe that whole "we are all sinners but repenting will get you to heaven no matter what kind of sin you have done". As far as I know, aren't all of the 7 deadly sins seen as equal? So like lying is as terrible a sin as murder? Sooo yeah gayness isn't even on that and I wouldn't be comfortable following something that disagrees with society. Because I know for damn sure any sane person you ask would say arbitrary murder is definitely worse than telling a lie. But maybe I'm wrong about that part because I don't really know much about that religion anyway. Point is, if all sins can be forgiven you should be fine even if it is a sin and it makes no sense for a god to create people who are condemned from the start and have no choice but to go to hell.

i think it would be funny if we got it backwards, and hell is actually the place you WANT to go to. like going to hell is the equivilant of what we consider heaven to be like.

At 8/2/10 03:02 PM, HappyMango wrote: i think it would be funny if we got it backwards, and hell is actually the place you WANT to go to. like going to hell is the equivilant of what we consider heaven to be like.

No. No it wouldn't be funny.

At 8/2/10 03:02 PM, HappyMango wrote: i think it would be funny if we got it backwards, and hell is actually the place you WANT to go to. like going to hell is the equivilant of what we consider heaven to be like.

Can't say I'd find it that funny.

well at least appreciate the irony if that were true.

At 8/2/10 11:34 PM, HappyMango wrote: well at least appreciate the irony if that were true.

I'm not even sure if that's ironic.

how is spending your whole life trying to avoid hell, when it turns out to be the good place to go, not ironic?

At 8/2/10 03:02 PM, HappyMango wrote: i think it would be funny if we got it backwards, and hell is actually the place you WANT to go to. like going to hell is the equivilant of what we consider heaven to be like.

Not if you think about the things you'd then be actually encouraged to do. Like murder would be a good thing and plenty more other unpleasant things. So the place I go that is good is filled with murderers and thieves and the like? Still wouldn't be very heavenly to me.

Hi, i've only really posted in here a few times and they were few and far between, but I wonder if anyone would be willing to offer advice, or moreover any ideas on something.

I'm quite certain i'm gay (i've had feelings of sexual attraction for males but never women). I've "known" for a few years now. I've even come out to a select few of my friends who I felt I could trust, and should know.

However, over the past few months, i've found myself thinking more and more, about telling my mum. There isn't really any problem there, she's completely fine with homosexual men and has many gay friends (she's even gone as far as saying to both me and my brother that she would have no qualms if either of us were gay). But I have no idea how to approach the topic.

There isn't really any urgency or anything, it's just something i'd like to do.

Additional, possibly relevant information

I'm 17 years old, male.
I live in Dubai, homosexuality is illegal here.
Me and my mum are very, very close.
She sometimes says things that imply she thinks i'm straight, talks about girlfriends etc.
I have one brother, older. He's straight as far as I know.

Thanks in advance to anyone thats willing to offer any advice or insight : )

I would say something like:
"Hey mom, you know how you said you'd have no qualms if my brother or I were gay? Well, I am."

You could wait until it is urgent, but it just seems like you want her to know and that's fine. Do whatever feels right for you.

At 8/3/10 12:27 PM, Sensationalism wrote: I would say something like:
"Hey mom, you know how you said you'd have no qualms if my brother or I were gay? Well, I am."

You could wait until it is urgent, but it just seems like you want her to know and that's fine. Do whatever feels right for you.

This, but I would wait until it felt like the right time to tell her, if you get my meaning. It's not something you say everyday, you know.

" Hey mom, I'm going out to eat, and then I'm going to hang out with some friends. Oh, also, I'm gay. Alright, bye!"

You'll probably know when the right time to come out is.

At 8/3/10 12:31 PM, Scarface wrote: " Hey mom, I'm going out to eat, and then I'm going to hang out with some friends. Oh, also, I'm gay. Alright, bye!"

But if I was a lesbbian, I'd probably use the line "Mom, I gonna eat out tongiht. in both sense of the word"

At 8/3/10 12:56 PM, JohnnyWang wrote:

At 8/3/10 12:31 PM, Scarface wrote: " Hey mom, I'm going out to eat, and then I'm going to hang out with some friends. Oh, also, I'm gay. Alright, bye!"

But if I was a lesbbian, I'd probably use the line "Mom, I gonna eat out tongiht. in both sense of the word"

But gay is a bit more boring. "I'm going to go out, grab lunch and have some sausages, in both senses of the word".

Yeah, just doesn't work as well.

At 8/3/10 12:27 PM, Sensationalism wrote: Do whatever feels right for you.

I think this is probably the best way to say it really. It is probably much better doing something I feel comfortable with, as apposed to trying an approach that worked for someone else.

At 8/3/10 12:31 PM, Scarface wrote: I would wait until it felt like the right time to tell her, if you get my meaning. It's not something you say everyday, you know.

I think this is the biggest thing stopping me. It does seem like something thats relatively important, and should probably be treated as such. I'm ready to tell her, but I think i've either not been proactive enough in creating a suitable situation, or there just haven't been any. I kind of feel like i'm waiting on something without any ETA.

You'll probably know when the right time to come out is.

You think? I'm unsure. There have been a few moments where i've just though damn, I really want to just finish this, let's do this. But I always stop myself, usually because i'm either slightly drunk, or the situation doesn't seem appropriate.

At 8/3/10 12:15 PM, Sensationalism wrote:

Not if you think about the things you'd then be actually encouraged to do. Like murder would be a good thing

i think you misunderstood me. the same things to do to get into heaven are the same. but just the names are switched. heaven is where bad ppl go, and hell is for good ppl. sorry if i left confusion behind.

At 8/3/10 05:33 PM, HappyMango wrote:

At 8/3/10 12:15 PM, Sensationalism wrote:

Not if you think about the things you'd then be actually encouraged to do. Like murder would be a good thing

i think you misunderstood me. the same things to do to get into heaven are the same. but just the names are switched. heaven is where bad ppl go, and hell is for good ppl. sorry if i left confusion behind.

Ohhhh. I thought like everything was the same but it was good to go to hell.

im glad we could work out this confusion together.

just to jump in here for a sec...im bi my gf knows and doesnt trip...as far as hell, im going there for things i did WAY before i was bi....

i mean hell the only reason i am bit is because to be honest i didnt see the big deal of people bashing others for being gay and i wanted to see what was so fun or whatever about being gay so i rang up a friend who is gay and asked him to let me do him... i liked it and have been ever since...still dont see the big deal really...and as far as "god" is concerned, i dont think he would condemn people for being gay...i mean in the end he wants us to be happy right? be true to ourselves...so y would he be mad.......?