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"I believe these children are far too young to be learning about what these issues mean," said Alaina Stewart

It's okay for children to learn about heterosexual couples and families but not homosexual ones? That doesn't make any sense!! There's nothing wrong with children knowing about the different types of relationships that exist. Knowing about things like this from a young age and being taught that it's not something that people should be discriminated for should make for a friendlier future toward homosexuals.

"By not allowing kids to opt out," says David Kirwin, who has two children in the system, "the school district is violating a First Amendment right for those who have a religion that doesn't support homosexuality."

As far as I know, no religion explicitly states that homosexuals should not be considered with the same respect as any other person. Christianity is the main one I can think of that takes issue with homosexuality, but that's very complicated and the derived message has more to do with subjective judgements and what the person wants the message to be. Jesus said to love and accept everyone, Leviticus said a bunch of crazy shit, etc etc. Therefore, not being supportive of homosexuality is a personal belief and not a strictly religious belief. I love how Christians like to hide behind religion as a justification for hate and discrimination. Commit a hate crime? Claim religion compelled you!!

The move toward the new curriculum began two years ago, when teachers noticed that even kindergarten students were using derogatory words about sexuality, such as "fag."

Wow! Sounds like the curriculum to raise awareness and increase acceptance is definitely needed!

The book has been banned in some areas of the country.

The backward areas where most people probably couldn't even read a book in the first place.
duhhh ban knowledge and information plz becuz dis stuff is badd.
teachers are responsible for creating an environment where students can feel comfortable and learn.

So true.

England said she believes Alameda's curriculum committee has purposely excluded religion, even though it is one of the protected classes. "This indicates an agenda is being pushed

Religion is not supposed to be taught in schools. The school is having a problem with bullying and lack of acceptance for homosexual lifestyles, not a problem having to do with religion. It wouldn't make sense to teach about religion as a solution to this problem. Damn straight an agenda is being pushed! The agenda is the mental and physical well-being of children in the school and to help children feel more accepted so they can learn better!

I love how the guy who said the above claimed there are five categories of protected classes when it comes to discrimination, and then went on to only point out religion, meanwhile complaining that sexual orientation was specifically being protected. What about the other three, guy?? Oh wait you only care about religion? Okay then.

And I hate Fox News.

It's okay for children to learn about heterosexual couples and families but not homosexual ones?

i know that is the way most of this country is. It iis ridicualus.

As far as I know, no religion explicitly states that homosexuals should not be considered with the same respect as any other person.

I did find out that Jews are very open about Transgenders and gays. They are ok with them.
And they are supposed to be gods children. Or so the bible says.

The backward areas where most people probably couldn't even read a book in the first place.
duhhh ban knowledge and information plz becuz dis stuff is badd.
teachers are responsible for creating an environment where students can feel comfortable and learn.

I agree,It is there job to teach, but it is also the parents job as well. Teac hers should not have to do everything on there own. Alot of parents under what teachers teach because what they are teaching is agaisnt god. That is like Saying that Darwin's theory is wrong. All it is is a theory. It has not been proven or disproven yet the christian have tried to over turn it calloing it falls. just because the bible says that Adam was here first. If the Bible is really accurate then Dinasours never existed.

Religion is not supposed to be taught in schools.

Duh. I think it is the First Amendment that gives a person a right to diced what to believe and be subjected to as far as beliefs are concerned.

To sum it all up, get your religion out of my secular school system. kthxbai.

I have yet to hear a secular argument against homosexuality. Until one is found, it's completely and utterly unconstitutional to create laws based on religious beliefs.

Raising awareness about hate crimes committed against homosexuals and talking academically about homosexuality is not pushing the "homosexual agenda." This just show how desperate these people are to enforce their arguments when they can't back them up with facts or logic.

At 11/2/09 09:22 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: To sum it all up, get your religion out of my secular school system. kthxbai.

Since when did you buy the schools in the country?
if you did not then please tell me how all the schools in this country are yours.
Cause it sounds like you are saying that the world is yours and no one elses and anyone that has an issue with it can go rot in hell. This its not "your" world. We all share it together. No one owns us.

At 11/2/09 09:29 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Since when did you buy the schools in the country?

The use of the word "my" is not meant to be taken literally.

At 11/2/09 09:33 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote:

At 11/2/09 09:29 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Since when did you buy the schools in the country?

The use of the word "my" is not meant to be taken literally.

You have a habit of using that as you're arguement alot.
One peice of advice When someone says this is mine or that is mine it usually causes fights especially when The Item is not theirs. Just something to work on IFUN. We all have things we could work on.

Wow sens, a really nice little read. I agree a lot with what you say about things, I mean they don't make a lot of sense, like saying hhow kids are too young to be exposed to homosexual things.

At 11/2/09 09:29 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote:

At 11/2/09 09:22 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: To sum it all up, get your religion out of my secular school system. kthxbai.

Since when did you buy the schools in the country?

It's not meant to be taken literally I'm sure. A lot of people say something like that if someone does something bad or stupid, like get off my Newgrounds. Not meant to be taken literally.

Also, am I the only one the has a small dislike for flamers? I've found that most flamers always have to be the center of attention and flaunt their homosexuality around like it's something that makes them better than everyone else. Slightly annoying.

At 11/2/09 09:43 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: You have a habit of using that as you're arguement alot.
One peice of advice When someone says this is mine or that is mine it usually causes fights especially when The Item is not theirs. Just something to work on IFUN. We all have things we could work on.

Except for the fact that it's a valid point. I'm using "my" to add voice to the post. It's a relatively common informal literary technique.

It's not meant to be taken literally I'm sure. A lot of people say something like that if someone does something bad or stupid, like get off my Newgrounds. Not meant to be taken literally.

Also, am I the only one the has a small dislike for flamers? I've found that most flamers always have to be the center of attention and flaunt their homosexuality around like it's something that makes them better than everyone else. Slightly annoying.

well I hate flamers that just flame someone for admitting to what they are and yeah Flamers just flame rather then Reason with you. Plus I agree that they might be doing it for attention. As far as me saying that i am a lesbian. I mostly say it to be left alone and cause i am proud to be one, plus It lets people know that yes we are on here. Just like me saying i am female samething. Most users on here from what i seen still do not believe that females or lesbians are on this site. It is really sad that people think that but then again the ones that claim to be gay or female that are not are the ones that hurt us the most.

And by informal I mean not academic as "my" would never be used in an academic write up.

At 11/2/09 10:04 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: And by informal I mean not academic as "my" would never be used in an academic write up.

Like saying "My ancestors" correct?

God dammit, posting times.

At 11/2/09 10:04 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Most users on here from what i seen still do not believe that females or lesbians are on this site. It is really sad that people think that but then again the ones that claim to be gay or female that are not are the ones that hurt us the most.

It's not that people seriously believe that there are absolutely no women that visit this site, it's that they believe that the amount of actual women is substantially lower than the amount of users who claim to be women. And that's a good bit true.

But, it doesn't matter because whether or not someone believes you're a women has nothing to do with your ability to enjoy the site and be a part of the community.

As for flamers, anyone who draws unnecessary attention to themselves for any reason, including sexuality, is annoying.

At 11/2/09 10:08 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Like saying "My ancestors" correct?

You would never say "my ancestors" in an academic/formal write up, yes, because the write up is not supposed to be personal.

At 11/2/09 10:08 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Like saying "My ancestors" correct?

You would never say "my ancestors" in an academic/formal write up, yes, because the write up is not supposed to be personal.

That is differant then when i was in school. When did that change?

At 11/2/09 10:16 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: That is differant then when i was in school. When did that change?

My parents were taught the same thing.

It looks like more Gay marriages will be over turned.

Maine is voting on wether to ban gay marrige in the stat eor to continue to allow it.
I do know that Colby univesity in Maine is a collage taht is very open to Transgeners. One of ther professsors is a M2F transgender.
Jennifer Finney Boylan , the author of She's Not There: A Life in Two Genders is a proffessor there.
She's Not There Home pageMaine vote on gay marriage.
i do my best to help inform those that will accept i and I will do my best to keep you informed of what is happening outside this site as far as the issues that are part of this group. I hope that one day we can all be treated as equalls.
A picture of the book She's not there in case you want to read it.

At 11/2/09 09:29 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote:

At 11/2/09 09:22 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: To sum it all up, get your religion out of my secular school system. kthxbai.

Since when did you buy the schools in the country?
if you did not then please tell me how all the schools in this country are yours.
Cause it sounds like you are saying that the world is yours and no one elses and anyone that has an issue with it can go rot in hell. This its not "your" world. We all share it together. No one owns us.

Don't take everything so literally. It makes sense. Keep religion out of the public education system.
Also, the world is hers. The world is mine. The world is yours. I am you and you are me and I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

At 11/2/09 09:53 PM, Blush wrote: Wow sens, a really nice little read. I agree a lot with what you say about things, I mean they don't make a lot of sense, like saying hhow kids are too young to be exposed to homosexual things.

Haha, thanks Blush. I'd just gotten home from work and needed something to do for a while. Nice of gamer to supply the article, got rid of my boredom for a while.

Sorry for the double post. I was doing a few things at once and didn't want to leave my original post about while I left the room, so I hit submit.

At 11/2/09 10:33 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: It looks like more Gay marriages will be over turned.

Gay marriage and marijuana (and shrooms and lsd lol) are two things that really need to be legalised. Soon!

Jennifer Finney Boylan , the author of She's Not There: A Life in Two Genders is a proffessor there.
A picture of the book She's not there in case you want to read it.

Thanks, it looks good! I added it to my list!

Jennifer Finney Boylan , the author of She's Not There: A Life in Two Genders is a proffessor there.
A picture of the book She's not there in case you want to read it.

Thanks, it looks good! I added it to my list!

I can provide you with more places of info if you want just ask.
Tramsgenderism is what i know more about then bi. I am part of 3 sites that are transgender based. Plus i had a subscription to a Transgender magazine. I think i am going to have to renew it. I am a bit rusty when it comes to Transgender issues. I will admit that. I spent 2 months without internet. So i just Played my PS2 and read some of my books.

Hmm, I never really read LGBT literature. The most I've done is read and watch stuff on the internet. I once watched a lot of youtube videos about LGBT-related stuff, it was a really emotional few hours, especially since I find stories of other people like me.

At 11/2/09 11:25 PM, hhcash wrote: Hmm, I never really read LGBT literature. The most I've done is read and watch stuff on the internet. I once watched a lot of youtube videos about LGBT-related stuff, it was a really emotional few hours, especially since I find stories of other people like me.

Me neither until one of my friends told me that they were transgendered then i started reading, studying and working with a Gender Dr. and other therapists on the issues more then i did. Now i volunteer my knowledge to help those and inform those that ask. It took me years to beable to actual start helping trans genders with their transition. Where i live the transgenders in the area pretty much keep quite. A religious reason. So it is hard to help them with there issues. So far only one is open about it and is recieving my help.

Gah, it sickens me that people are seriously trying to prevent the teaching of homosexuality to children when it is just as valid as heterosexuality. We still live in such an uneven world: racism, sexism or any kind of discrimination.

I'm not opposed to religion but i don't think it should be forced onto children. Oh, and i quote from the New Testament Corinthians: 9, 10 "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of god? Do not be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolators nor adulterers nor male prostitues nor homosexual offenders." So is this to say that we are all going to hell in the eyes of christians? If this is the kind of thing that is still being taught to children then we seriously need to sort the schools out. This is basically spreading hatred, teaching kids that being gay is wrong. I believe that being gay/lesbian/bi/whatever isn't a choice so if this is true then God is allowing people to be born that may live a good life only to go to hell. Some God that is...

Despite this rant I'm not against religion. I understand that many people use it as a comfort tool to help them through tough times or just as a moral code to live by. Sorry for that. Just had to get it off my chest.

People pick from the bible all of the things that fit their agenda, but discard all of what doesn't.

Adultery isn't illegal. Sodomy/oral sex isn't illegal. Divorce isn't illegal. Worshiping different gods isn't illegal. But, homosexual marriage is illegal even though all of the aforementioned things are held to just as high of a value in the bible. Hm.

Worshiping different gods isn't illegal.

Exodus 20 vs 3 says worship no god but me. it is in the ten commandmends.
Exodus 20 vs 5 do not bow down to any idol or worship it, because I am you God and i tolerate no rivals.
Exodus 22 vrs 20 says condemn to death anyone who offers sacrifices to any god except me, the Lord. I think it should be condemn anyone that kills anything in my name.

I take it IFUN you never went to church? Or atleast did not care much about it. Where i lived you pretty much had to go to church. It was that or no whatever. When i was living with my cousins it was either go to church or live on the street. If you did go to church let me guess Seventh Day Advent or you only had a NT Bible not the full Bible?

I was a Christian for 13 years. A revalationist for 10. Jew for 2. now i am nothing. Not even an Atheis.
Maybe a revalutionist. I do follow the teaching of history scholors more then any other teachers.

I could go on. But i will not.

At 11/2/09 11:17 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: I can provide you with more places of info if you want just ask.
Tramsgenderism is what i know more about then bi. I am part of 3 sites that are transgender based. Plus i had a subscription to a Transgender magazine. I think i am going to have to renew it. I am a bit rusty when it comes to Transgender issues. I will admit that. I spent 2 months without internet. So i just Played my PS2 and read some of my books.

At the moment, I don't feel like getting any more into it than just books. But if you've got more book recommendations, send them my way! I've got a huge to-read list, but I'll get around to them, haha. I might be interested in more in the future, and now I know I could use you as a resource. :D

Ha, my ps2 is broken. I really miss it.

At 11/2/09 11:25 PM, hhcash wrote: Hmm, I never really read LGBT literature. The most I've done is read and watch stuff on the internet. I once watched a lot of youtube videos about LGBT-related stuff, it was a really emotional few hours, especially since I find stories of other people like me.

I've watched some stuff on youtube, but the most I've watched has been The Beaver Bunch and then 5 Awesome Gays. Not that much other stuff, but some. Feel free to link to any good ones. :D

At 11/3/09 01:09 PM, Punkboyben wrote: Gah, it sickens me that people are seriously trying to prevent the teaching of homosexuality to children when it is just as valid as heterosexuality. We still live in such an uneven world: racism, sexism or any kind of discrimination.

True. I've never found anyone who had a problem with it that wasn't religious though.

I'm not opposed to religion but i don't think it should be forced onto children.

I completely agree. Thing is, the easiest way to get new members is to indoctrinate children. I'm pretty certain I'm only atheist because the stuff wasn't pounded into my head from a young age.
I also don't have a problem with religion unless people use it as an excuse for hate and exclusion.

At 11/3/09 03:30 PM, InsertFunnyUserName wrote: People pick from the bible all of the things that fit their agenda, but discard all of what doesn't.

I actually don't see anything wrong with that so long as they keep their beliefs to themselves and don't condemn others for having different views or lifestyles.

Adultery isn't illegal. Sodomy/oral sex isn't illegal. Divorce isn't illegal. Worshiping different gods isn't illegal. But, homosexual marriage is illegal even though all of the aforementioned things are held to just as high of a value in the bible. Hm.

Ha, I never really thought about that. And I thought people against gay marriage didn't have a leg to stand on before!

At 11/3/09 08:13 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: I was a Christian for 13 years. A revalationist for 10. Jew for 2. now i am nothing. Not even an Atheis.
Maybe a revalutionist. I do follow the teaching of history scholors more then any other teachers.

I wasn't raised with any religion. My parents went to a Methodist church for a few years when I was little and I went to the sunday school thing which I thought was weird. After that, there was no religious influence. When I was a teen I got into Buddhism and more recently Hinduism. But I'm definitely atheist.

My dad is the most religious of us all, my sister and I are the least. Actually, I recently asked my whole immediate family what their beliefs were based on the spectrum in The God Delusion and I was a bit surprised to find the only atheists were my sister and I. I expected my brother and mum to be closer to it than they were. Lolz.

At 11/3/09 08:13 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote:

Worshiping different gods isn't illegal.

I know, that's part of my point.

I take it IFUN you never went to church?

I went with my parents to a Congregational church from age four or five to age 11. I had no choice in that. But, for the passed four years, I've been going by choice to a very liberal Lutheran church. I wrote a 40 page, interview based research paper on the psychology of religious beliefs and spirituality and come from a very spiritual family.

Why?

I'm not religious either. I'm a Satanist, or just say that for shock value. I believe the reason I'm non-religious is because my parents aren't religious. It's funny, my brother is being rebellious by pretending to be religious and conservative. Irony, lol.

Ha, my ps2 is broken. I really miss it.

Me too. I was trying to finish NEED FOR SPEED UNDERGROUND.

I went with my parents to a Congregational church from age four or five to age 11. I had no choice in that. But, for the passed four years, I've been going by choice to a very liberal Lutheran church. I wrote a 40 page, interview based research paper on the psychology of religious beliefs and spirituality and come from a very spiritual family.
Why?
Well here the think. If you go to church but say that believing this or that about the bible is not right. It makes no sense. It is like a Minister saying that what he preaches is not right. Let me guess you believe in the father, son and the Holy Father? I was a Lutheran for many years. It is basically Blasphamy to say that the bible is not true or to contradict anything about The Savior, god or what the bible says. I can quote several passages and provide several books that show the truth about religion and its lies and deceitfulness. Cause I am one that will fight to the death over how false religion is. Others have found that out the hard way. I have not killed anyone yet over it. But I have sent some people to the hospital over it.
"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." Thomas Paine The age of Reason 1896

At 11/3/09 11:05 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Well here the think. If you go to church but say that believing this or that about the bible is not right. It makes no sense.

I never said believing in the bible is wrong. I said that hiding behind bible passages to back up preexisting prejudices is wrong.

It is like a Minister saying that what he preaches is not right. Let me guess you believe in the father, son and the Holy Father?

Actually, I'm a Deist. I believe that god doesn't interact much with the world. I like the messages taught in the services at the church I attend.

I was a Lutheran for many years. It is basically Blasphamy to say that the bible is not true or to contradict anything about The Savior, god or what the bible says.

I don't believe that the bible should be taken literally. I'm not claiming that what the bible is saying is true or false because I don't believe it to be a historical record. I believe it's a collection of parables. Now, I'm not claiming that to be a fact, I'm just saying that's what I believe.

I can quote several passages and provide several books that show the truth about religion and its lies and deceitfulness. Cause I am one that will fight to the death over how false religion is. Others have found that out the hard way. I have not killed anyone yet over it. But I have sent some people to the hospital over it.
"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." Thomas Paine The age of Reason 1896

Religious belief in and of itself is not corrupt or deceitful. You can believe whatever you want as long as you don't harm others in the process. It's the doctrinal institutions that are corrupt and deceitful.

You physically harm others over a religious debate? What good does that do? All that does is perpetuate the situation further. You're not going to make anything better by assaulting those who think differently than you. The way I see it, you should confront them with logic and reason, not violence. When logic and reason doesn't work, you move on to address something else. If you become violent, then you just reinforce the belief that you're some sort of reprobate.

At 11/3/09 10:51 PM, hhcash wrote: I'm not religious either. I'm a Satanist, or just say that for shock value. I believe the reason I'm non-religious is because my parents aren't religious. It's funny, my brother is being rebellious by pretending to be religious and conservative. Irony, lol.

What kind of Satanist? Laveyen? That one makes a lot of sense to me. Funny thing is, most people assume you worship the devil if you are Satanist, which isn't really true.
Lmao@ your brother!

At 11/3/09 11:05 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Me too. I was trying to finish NEED FOR SPEED UNDERGROUND.

I have that game!! I'm sad I didn't get to finish God of War or this Matrix game I had.

Well here the thing. If you go to church but say that believing this or that about the bible is not right. It makes no sense. It is like a Minister saying that what he preaches is not right. Let me guess you believe in the father, son and the Holy Father?

But the bible is filled with contradictions and parts are missing, and it shouldn't be taken literally and blah blah blah. So it's difficult either way.

I was a Lutheran for many years. It is basically Blasphemy to say that the bible is not true or to contradict anything about The Savior, god or what the bible says.

Lmao blasphemy is funny.

I can quote several passages and provide several books that show the truth about religion and its lies and deceitfulness.

Book links please? I'm interested in reading them lol.

Cause I am one that will fight to the death over how false religion is. Others have found that out the hard way.

I'm not opposed to religion, I just don't believe in it. Sometimes I would wish I could believe in some of that crap because I see the false sense of security it gives some people. But I just can't. Now I'm happy with it though and am not jealous of those that can.

I have not killed anyone yet over it. But I have sent some people to the hospital over it.

OMG VIOLENT SCARY!!! Sounds like there's a story here...

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst." Thomas Paine The age of Reason 1896

<3 Thomas Paine!

Oh shit, messed up a bit on the quotes. Sorry about that, I'm sure it won't be too hard to figure out.