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At 10/29/09 04:26 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: sorry but i am only allowed to put so much Text on a reply at a time. It is telling me that i can only do a fewlines of the original text An can only have so many lines of my reply. I do not know how IFUN ,manges to reply to multible replies at once when i try i am not allowed.

I think the problem that you're having is that you quote the entire post you're replying to, so the percentage of quoted text is too high in relation to your non-quoted text. If it won't let you post, cut out some of your quoted text. Just quote the relevant parts.

Do you use your word progam to help? Sorry about the way i type i know it is bad. I try my best but i have a pinky that does not move right since the accident 9 years ago. So sometimes i hit the wrong keys. But i try to fix it before it goes up. I am going to try and take more time to check my spelling. 2 major accidents in 11 years i am lucky to be walking.

At 10/29/09 05:18 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Do you use your word progam to help? Sorry about the way i type i know it is bad. I try my best but i have a pinky that does not move right since the accident 9 years ago. So sometimes i hit the wrong keys. But i try to fix it before it goes up. I am going to try and take more time to check my spelling. 2 major accidents in 11 years i am lucky to be walking.

Firefox has spell checker.
You could use word program to help if you wanted.
It's usually not too difficult to get around that quotation limit. Just cut out the irrelevant quoted parts like IFUN said. Or add a little bit to what you've written that is not in quotation. If all else fails, you can always add a little filler.

Firefox has spell checker.
You could use word program to help if you wanted.
It's usually not too difficult to get around that quotation limit. Just cut out the irrelevant quoted parts like IFUN said. Or add a little bit to what you've written that is not in quotation. If all else fails, you can always add a little filler.

I do not have firefox. Every person i know that has it their comp crashes. I had it but it kept clitching and rebooting my comp.

I have a bunch of family in Illinois. We should meet up sometime and be gay and do drugs and eat vegetarian food together, lol.

That would be very awesome. Meetups, however, are extremely awkward, haha.

What do you guys / girls look for in a guy / girl?

I look for in a guy what a lot of straight guys look for in a girl, in a way. I don't necessarily like guys that look a girl, but definitely guys that are a little shorter than me, and have feminine facial features. There is a particular expression and tone that some cute girls have that I find extremely hot in a guy. It's hard to describe though. I also like the basics of course, like good skin, and good weight.

In terms of personality, I would like if they can relate to me in terms of their tastes and music and hobbies and such. I don't mind if they're shy or awkward, just as long as they're nice.

At 10/29/09 05:48 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: I do not have firefox. Every person i know that has it their comp crashes. I had it but it kept clitching and rebooting my comp.

yes, I'm sure that it was firefox that caused your computer to reboot and "glitch".

yes, I'm sure that it was firefox that caused your computer to reboot and "glitch".

My Gf has Firefox and it crashes on her.

At 10/29/09 06:26 PM, hhcash wrote: I look for in a guy what a lot of straight guys look for in a girl, in a way. I don't necessarily like guys that look a girl, but definitely guys that are a little shorter than me, and have feminine facial features. There is a particular expression and tone that some cute girls have that I find extremely hot in a guy. It's hard to describe though. I also like the basics of course, like good skin, and good weight.

In terms of personality, I would like if they can relate to me in terms of their tastes and music and hobbies and such. I don't mind if they're shy or awkward, just as long as they're nice.

Strangely enough, this is me all over.
There are just certain guys who have that feminine look that makes them so damn attractive... Whereas the sort of general "Manly" look for which some girls find hot really just turns me off.

I'm not sure whether this is another effect of being Bi, but the tomboyish sort of girls; short hair, jeans, t-shirts, that whole sort of thing... They're ever so much more apparent to me.

Strangely enough, this is me all over.
There are just certain guys who have that feminine look that makes them so damn attractive... Whereas the sort of general "Manly" look for which some girls find hot really just turns me off.

Ever think about dating Shemales or Crossdressers?

At 10/29/09 07:35 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote:

Strangely enough, this is me all over.
There are just certain guys who have that feminine look that makes them so damn attractive... Whereas the sort of general "Manly" look for which some girls find hot really just turns me off.

Ever think about dating Shemales or Crossdressers?

Crossdressers... Perhaps... I do sometimes have rather strange thoughts about that >.<
Shemales?... No; not judging those who are shemales (Or whichever term you prefer) but I just dislike the whole idea of changing your body like that...
You're perfect as you are, in my opinion... Have people love you for that, not for the surgery.

But if you ask if I have imagined my man crush in girls clothing. The answer is yes. Stockings.

Crossdressers... Perhaps... I do sometimes have rather strange thoughts about that >.<
Shemales?... No; not judging those who are shemales (Or whichever term you prefer) but I just dislike the whole idea of changing your body like that...
You're perfect as you are, in my opinion... Have people love you for that, not for the surgery.

But if you ask if I have imagined my man crush in girls clothing. The answer is yes. Stockings.

Sounds like a start. Well there are some shemales that just wear womens clothing. Most just have breasts. As far as Surgury that is mostly a Transgender issue. Sounds to me like you have a fetish.

At 10/29/09 07:47 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Sounds like a start. Well there are some shemales that just wear womens clothing. Most just have breasts. As far as Surgury that is mostly a Transgender issue. Sounds to me like you have a fetish.

Probably then...

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At 10/29/09 08:13 PM, Akkryls wrote:

At 10/29/09 07:47 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Sounds like a start. Well there are some shemales that just wear womens clothing. Most just have breasts. As far as Surgury that is mostly a Transgender issue. Sounds to me like you have a fetish.

Probably then...

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sounds like a stocking fetish. i could ask more sexually expliced questions but i think i will reserve that for the PM box. For comfort issues.

At 10/29/09 07:18 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: My Gf has Firefox and it crashes on her.

Well, firefox does use a good deal of RAM compared to other browsers, so that may be the problem if she has an old computer. I use firefox and don't have a problem with it.

Isn't there a spell checker than can be downloaded for Opera/IE? I think the latest version of IE may even have a spell checker, I don't know.

At 10/29/09 07:35 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: Ever think about dating Shemales or Crossdressers?

I'm attracted to female-to-male crossdressers.

I don't actually know anyone who's intersexed, so I don't know if I have any special attraction to them. But, like I said before, personality matters more. Being intesexed isn't a turn off for me, aside from the fact that I'm not sexually attracted to the male body, so I would be more apt to date intersexed people whose anatomy is primarily female (whose or who's? I never got that rule.)

At 10/29/09 07:41 PM, Akkryls wrote: Shemales?... No; not judging those who are shemales (Or whichever term you prefer) but I just dislike the whole idea of changing your body like that...
You're perfect as you are, in my opinion... Have people love you for that, not for the surgery.

I think you're confusing intersexed with transgendered. Intersexed, I believe, is a term referring to people who's gender can't be defined either at birth or at puberty. In other words, you're born as intersexed, though I suppose it is possible to make yourself intesexed with the help of modern medicine if you so desire.

Transgender refers to someone who was born one gender, but identifies with the other, some getting surgery and some not. I think that's what you're thinking of.

At 10/29/09 07:41 PM, Akkryls wrote: Shemales?... No; not judging those who are shemales (Or whichever term you prefer) but I just dislike the whole idea of changing your body like that...
You're perfect as you are, in my opinion... Have people love you for that, not for the surgery.

I think you're confusing intersexed with transgendered. Intersexed, I believe, is a term referring to people who's gender can't be defined either at birth or at puberty. In other words, you're born as intersexed, though I suppose it is possible to make yourself intesexed with the help of modern medicine if you so desire.

Transgender refers to someone who was born one gender, but identifies with the other, some getting surgery and some not. I think that's what you're thinking of.

As far as far as Intersexed. I was born male. It took Drs like my whole life to tell the Gov that i was born female but with one differance. When i was 8 years old i started to develope. In highschool i had my own loker room cause i was differant. I do not know how many DNA , gender and other testing they did on me before they finally accepted the fact that i was female. So right now i am female. You are right some transgenders that are not fully male nor fully female try to say they are Intexed even though the drs and experts say that they are male or female. i still do not understand why men or women claim to be intersexed when they have had the surgeries to make them intersexed. It gives those that are truelly intersexed a bad name.

At 10/29/09 08:51 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: As far as far as Intersexed. I was born male. It took Drs like my whole life to tell the Gov that i was born female but with one differance. When i was 8 years old i started to develope. In highschool i had my own loker room cause i was differant...

There's a lot of corruption when it comes to children born intersexed. In many states, a doctor can preform surgery on an intersex newborn without the parents even knowing.

Our culture so much wants us to either completely identify as male or completely identify as female (in ordinance with our biological sex). Any variation is looked down upon with disgust. It's pathetic.

There's a lot of corruption when it comes to children born intersexed. In many states, a doctor can preform surgery on an intersex newborn without the parents even knowing.

Our culture so much wants us to either completely identify as male or completely identify as female (in ordinance with our biological sex). Any variation is looked down upon with disgust. It's pathetic.

I know. I was born in 1981. It was not until the Supreme Court order in; I believe 2002 that said that intersexed is a sex but the state I live in will not recognize it. Minnesota was the first state in 1996 to recognize it as a sex and also recognized that transgenders have rights just like anybody else. My state still is standing by the bible in its defense as to why it will not recognize intersex as a sex or give transgenders more rights. Anything LGBT related they do not want anything to do with it. I think it is the states 5th Amendment that says it but not out right.

At 10/29/09 08:51 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: As far as far as Intersexed. I was born male. It took Drs like my whole life to tell the Gov that i was born female but with one differance. When i was 8 years old i started to develope. In highschool i had my own loker room cause i was differant. I do not know how many DNA , gender and other testing they did on me before they finally accepted the fact that i was female.

i don't really get what you mean, were you born a hermaphrodite?

every once in a while I like to act like a girl. I started shaving my legs and stuff. about a week ago I switched clothes with a girl at school, just for fun. But I ended up liking it a lot and i think I might start crossdressing, but I would never get a sex change or anything like that.

i don't really get what you mean, were you born a hermaphrodite?

No. Herms have both male and female organs. One of them Is the dominent one. Which means the dominent one can either give birth or get some one pregnant.
I was they thought male until my breasts started to develope then they started doing tests and found out i was a woman with a male organ that cannot get someone pregnant cause it does not have the equipment needed. I hope that helps.

At 10/29/09 09:45 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote:

i don't really get what you mean, were you born a hermaphrodite?

No. Herms have both male and female organs. One of them Is the dominent one. Which means the dominent one can either give birth or get some one pregnant.
I was they thought male until my breasts started to develope then they started doing tests and found out i was a woman with a male organ that cannot get someone pregnant cause it does not have the equipment needed. I hope that helps.

hmm, that still kind of sounds like a hermaphrodite to me, since you have male organs (even if they can't do anything). that sucks, people are already treated bad for being gay/bi, so you probably have to go through some pretty bad stuff. :/

do you have male xx syndrome or something? Where you're born with a penis but have female chromosomes ?

At 10/29/09 06:26 PM, hhcash wrote:

I have a bunch of family in Illinois. We should meet up sometime and be gay and do drugs and eat vegetarian food together, lol.

That would be very awesome. Meetups, however, are extremely awkward, haha.

Well that's what the weed is for. ;)

At 10/29/09 09:55 PM, desurandom wrote:

At 10/29/09 09:45 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: No. Herms have both male and female organs. One of them Is the dominent one. Which means the dominent one can either give birth or get some one pregnant.
I was they thought male until my breasts started to develope then they started doing tests and found out i was a woman with a male organ that cannot get someone pregnant cause it does not have the equipment needed. I hope that helps.

hmm, that still kind of sounds like a hermaphrodite to me, since you have male organs (even if they can't do anything). that sucks, people are already treated bad for being gay/bi, so you probably have to go through some pretty bad stuff. :/

Yeah, still sounds herm. There are various forms of it. Sounds like yours have more to do with your genes than organs? I don't know a lot about it, just what I've read or seen. Just asking because I'm a bit confused about it.
Also, reminds me of that book Middlesex.

hmm, that still kind of sounds like a hermaphrodite to me, since you have male organs (even if they can't do anything). that sucks, people are already treated bad for being gay/bi, so you probably have to go through some pretty bad stuff. :/

That is just like saying that Klinefelter's syndrome is the same as being a shemale. It is not the samething. They are close but not by much. They are people that are XXY. Do not get it confused with Transgenders. Alot of people do. XXY is very similar to intersex but most people that are XXY are one gender. Think of it like a pig and a boar. Notice the differance. They are all similar but differant. But fall in the same catagory or family. According to the U.S.Goverments term Transgender is an umbrella term that means:
Transgender is a term used to describe people who may act, feel, think, or look different from the gender that they were born with. The word transgender is used to include many groups of people who share one important "trait" (a way of feeling or behaving) but may not be the same in other ways. The common trait for transgender people is that they call themselves "transgender" and feel that their given gender is not quite right. Sometimes the word "transgender" is also used by people who prefer it to the word "transsexual".

At 10/29/09 10:04 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: That is just like saying that Klinefelter's syndrome is the same as being a shemale. It is not the samething. They are close but not by much. They are people that are XXY. Do not get it confused with Transgenders. Alot of people do. XXY is very similar to intersex but most people that are XXY are one gender. According to the U.S.Goverments term Transgender is an umbrella term that means:

I don't think it does much good to argue about semantics. But I'm bored.

I would think people who are XXY are transgendered, since their sex is neither XX or XY.
Gender and sex are different things. You can't tell someone's gender based on their physical appearance or their chromosomes.
According to your definition you found, transsexual would be included in the term of transgender.

I would think people who are XXY are transgendered, since their sex is neither XX or XY.
Gender and sex are different things. You can't tell someone's gender based on their physical appearance or their chromosomes.
According to your definition you found, transsexual would be included in the term of transgender.

A transexsual is a Transgendered individual. Just like a transvestite is. One is M2F the other F2M. It depends on where you live and which DR you talk to. There are XXY,XYX,XXXX,XXYX, and others. Aspergers is a person that is XY or an XX individual whose X chromosome is defective meaning that the X is not a full X. Which is the main cause for Autism, or Mental Retardation. Not all people that have Aspergers have those. Some are normal. XXY yes falls under the Transgender umbrella. It is just another class, Like transexuals,transvestites, intersexed, herms,crossdressers, Butch Lesbianism, and Shemales fall under the Transgender umbrella according to the U.S. GOVERMENT. Thge book transgender rights can help you more. That helped me alot.

At 10/29/09 10:02 PM, Reed wrote: do you have male xx syndrome or something? Where you're born with a penis but have female chromosomes ?

Not really. You are close. Yes i do have female DNA, breasts, Female brain wiring, all the female symptoms of PMS, and as far as a penis, well yes and no. Penis with no testes. Basicall it is one big clit.

At 10/29/09 11:37 PM, gamer30hrplus wrote: fall under the Transgender umbrella according to the U.S. GOVERMENT. Thge book transgender rights can help you more. That helped me alot.

Fuck the government!!!!

Thanks, I'll add that book to my list.

Fuck the government!!!!

Thanks, I'll add that book to my list.

Your welcome.

Well, the whole XXY thing still confuses me a little, then again, I am half asleep at the moment...
But I do understand the whole Transgendered thing a little better now...

At 10/30/09 05:51 AM, Akkryls wrote: Well, the whole XXY thing still confuses me a little, then again, I am half asleep at the moment...
But I do understand the whole Transgendered thing a little better now...

It is called Klinfeleters syndrome ( the common name.)
Klinefelter's syndrome, 47, XXY or XXY syndrome is a condition in which males have an extra X sex chromosome. While females have an XX chromosomal makeup, and males an XY, affected individuals have at least two X chromosomes and at least one Y chromosome.[1] Klinefelter's syndrome is the most common sex chromosome disorder[2] and the second most common condition caused by the presence of extra chromosomes. The condition exists in roughly 1 out of every 1,000 males. One in every 500 males has an extra X chromosome but does not have the syndrome.[3]

The principal effects are development of small testicles and reduced fertility. A variety of other physical and behavioral differences and problems are common, though severity varies and many boys and men with the condition have few detectable symptoms. The syndrome was named after Dr. Harry Klinefelter, an endocrinologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts, who first described it in 1942.[4] Because of the extra chromosome, individuals with the condition are usually referred to as "XXY Males", or "47, XXY Males".[5]
I still have trouble with it sometimes myself especially when someone does not look like it or act like it and they themselves have no idea as to what it is. Primarily men with breasts have Klinfelters syndrome.

Well, I have come through reading posts here and conversations with various folks, come to understand transgenders.

I noticed gamer30hrplus dropped my name earlier, and to clarify I'm bi, not gay... though some have come to argue that I am... and I convinced my platoon that I was to make working with them easier. *shrugs*