Allied Powers Couldve Prevented Ww2

[tritiumnitrate]

People always blame the Nazi's and the rest of the Axis powers for what happened in WW2. I don't believe what happened in the holocaust was right but I believe there were certain actions taken and not taken by the Allied powers following the Treaty of Versailles that lead to the social disorder in Germany coming up to Hitler taking power. Article 231 put the entire blame of casualties of the war upon Germany. Following this, the Allied powers demanded 132 billion Reichsmarks; the kind of debt which would destabilize a nation's economy. Furthermore, Germany was forced to cede miles of territory to France, Belgium, and most importantly, Poland. All these together lead to an extreme bitterness among the German people. Hyperinflation was rampant and Germany lost many important sea ports. The negotiation process lead to Japan and Italy to abandon the treaty making process leaving only the United States, the United Kingdom, and France. France, bordering Germany looked to destroy Germany's capabilities of any further military action and so pushed for extremely harsh penalties against Germany. All of these factors together lead to a ideal breading ground for German radicalism. The Nazi party took power on a platform partially based on fixing the economy and, later, recapturing polish land seized. I think that the terrible mismanagement of the end of World War 1 was the main factor in the start of World War 2. People are inclined to blame the Nazis for what happened but they don't realize that there are always radicals looking to get a foothold in political policy making. It is not their fault for doing what they do, it is our responsibility to create situations where radicalism cannot flourish.

[trogdor136]

I'm not sure if your trying to blame the US or the allies as a whole, but President Wilson's plan was nowhere near as harsh towards the Germans as the plans of the British and French. But yes i agree it pretty much was the allies fault that the Nazi party rose to power and got them pissed at the allies

[arcansi]

At 7/12/08 10:41 PM, trogdor136 wrote: I'm not sure if your trying to blame the US or the allies as a whole, but President Wilson's plan was nowhere near as harsh towards the Germans as the plans of the British and French. But yes i agree it pretty much was the allies fault that the Nazi party rose to power and got them pissed at the allies

He's trying to blame the U.S.. I'm sure if war could've been THAT easily avoided it would have been.

[tritiumnitrate]

I'm not trying to blame the US or the Allied Powers its just that the Allied Powers didn't do enough to prevent another world war. They didn't learn from their mistakes coming up to WW1 and left Germany vulnerable to radical ideals.

[trogdor136]

that is completly true. The allies were very short-sighted when forming the treaty of versailles

[KidneyThief]

At 7/12/08 11:12 PM, trogdor136 wrote: that is completly true. The allies were very short-sighted when forming the treaty of versailles

Thats true, the section stating Germany would take all the blame for WWI and had to pay all the expenses.. yea i think i would be mad too after having my national pride stepped on and being left with a crumbling economy.

[slowerthenb4]

At 7/12/08 11:01 PM, tritiumnitrate wrote: I'm not trying to blame the US or the Allied Powers its just that the Allied Powers didn't do enough to prevent another world war. They didn't learn from their mistakes coming up to WW1 and left Germany vulnerable to radical ideals.

mistakes? vulnerable to radical ideals? What was the act that left the Germans so vulnerable to radical ideals? what mistakes... be specific on the economic depression, the lack of a viable military, the undue burden of the debt levied on the Germans post ww1 for the war. It is an interesting start but go a little further "meating" your argument.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

You do realise you aren't saying anything that a competent historian doesn't already know or agree with anyway right?

I've been taught ' One of the main factors that led to WW2 was the harshness of the treaty of Versaille' since I was 13.

[uhnoesanoob]

Um, duh. The allied treaties had a terrible effect on Germany, everyone knows and says that. Did you just graduate from elementary school, cause you start learning obvious things like that there.

[evil-clown-12]

Don't post your history class essays on this forum. We all know that WWII could have been avoided by a fairer treaty and we all know that appeasing Hitler was a bad idea.

[slowerthenb4]

All right all you smart people, if THE PEACE TREATY OF VERSILLES was the causation, here it is in full. Lets see if you people can cite some hairs that broke the camels back.

[slowerthenb4]

At 7/13/08 09:56 AM, evil-clown-12 wrote: Don't post your history class essays on this forum. We all know that WWII could have been avoided by a fairer treaty and we all know that appeasing Hitler was a bad idea.

why not? and what about hitler im confused.

[EKublai]

I'm more mad how we could've prevented the Vietnam War had we just not left Ho Chi Minh in the hallway at Versailles...... taking into consideration that Japan would have probably invaded a newly independent Vietnam in the 1920's, it probably would not have made a difference.

[Gunter45]

If Hitler's mom got an abortion, WWII could have been prevented. Hindsight's a bitch. What's your point?

[JT1]

At 7/14/08 04:56 PM, LastSpartan wrote: In my opinion, America had no right stepping in to fight the Germans. Sure, fight the Japanese, they were attacked and all that jazz, but Germany? What possible threat was Germany posing to America?

Japan attacked the United States. Then the United States declared war on Japan. Germany, Japan's ally, responded with its own declaration of war on the United States. Only then did the United States declare war on Germany.

The threat was that the most powerful military in the world had just declared war on the United States.

[callofdutyfreak]

At 7/15/08 04:35 PM, JT1 wrote:

At 7/14/08 04:56 PM, LastSpartan wrote: In my opinion, America had no right stepping in to fight the Germans. Sure, fight the Japanese, they were attacked and all that jazz, but Germany? What possible threat was Germany posing to America?

Japan attacked the United States. Then the United States declared war on Japan. Germany, Japan's ally, responded with its own declaration of war on the United States. Only then did the United States declare war on Germany.

The threat was that the most powerful military in the world had just declared war on the United States.

Thats ecaxtly right. And Brittian, being our ally; and the rest of Europe, having been butt raped by hitler already and being in need of liberation, should be thankful the U.S. did finally step into Europe.

[EgoistXIV]

It's all down to britons and frenchies, Chamberlain and Daladier fucked it up back in'38. At that point, the US had very little no zero influence on european affairs.

[BuddhaGeo]

World War 2 could have been avoided if Hitler hadn't been rejected from the Academy of Arts in 1909.

[banchy44]

Don't blame us. We didn't know it was going too far. When it went too far, we got even more worried.

[homor]

we could look back on history and come up with one thouasand things that could have been done better.

of course WW2 saved minorities from the holocaust, saved the economy and killed one of the worlds world dictators.

[MightyComradeLenin]

If anything, Britian and France are to blame. When Poland was invaded, Britian and France promised help. If they had gotten in early, before any really huge buildup, there's a good chance victory might have been achieved and hitler crushed.
But the help never came.

The USSR also didn't help by invading Poland, although the're partially forgiven for basically winning the latter half of the war.

[Minarchist]

All wars could be prevented if governments weren't allowed to inflate their currencies.

[Britkid]

At 8/3/08 05:42 PM, MightyComradeLenin wrote: If anything, Britian and France are to blame. When Poland was invaded, Britian and France promised help. If they had gotten in early, before any really huge buildup, there's a good chance victory might have been achieved and hitler crushed.
But the help never came.

What are you talking about? How could they have taken 1000s of troops over to Poland and what would have been the point? They'd have all been crushed by the combined Nazi-Soviet powers anyway.

The USSR also didn't help by invading Poland,

Understatement of the year.

[dySWN]

At 8/3/08 05:55 PM, Minarchist wrote: All wars could be prevented if governments weren't allowed to inflate their currencies.

You lost me there.

[qu3muchach0]

hindsight is always 20/20. what's bitching gonna do about it now?

[Neonical]

Germany didn't start WW2.

[LynchedJohNNY]

In the same way you would punish a disobedient child so must you follow through when punishing nations. It's not the (former) Allies fault that Germany chose to act out and make excuses and place blame on scapegoats instead of facing problems and saying "we fucked up"

Everything in history could theoretically have been prevented, even your post because of some chain of events had to lead to your post the same way a chain of events led up to everything else in history.

So long as we're flogging dead disobedient horses Why didn't Bill Clinton order Osamas assassination when he had the chance and screw the safety of the U.A.E. Prince because his life surely was not worth all the lives lost after the events of 9/11.

As a matter of fact 9/11 could have been prevented if they had built the technology that could withstand 970,000 pounds of kinetic energy plus the increased weight of upper levels sagging because of collapsed supports.

[MultiCanimefan]

Yes, BuddhaGeo, you're right about Hitler and the Arts Academy. Hitler painted beautiful landscapes, and they wouldn't let him in. So he got back at them. They wanted him to paint people, not just landscapes, so he painted people all right. With death.

[LilJon6071]

At 7/12/08 11:01 PM, tritiumnitrate wrote: I'm not trying to blame the US or the Allied Powers its just that the Allied Powers didn't do enough to prevent another world war. They didn't learn from their mistakes coming up to WW1 and left Germany vulnerable to radical ideals.

How could they have done anything? The Europeans and the US didn't want to start a second war because the first war scared everyone half to death over all the destruction that was caused. The world knew that they didnt have the money (The Great Depression, duh) or the manpower (huge loss of life from WWI) to stop the Nazis. They understood at the time that the only way to stop Hitler was to declare war, he was a man who was mad with power, had insane policies and ruled his country by pure fear, death and destruction. The outside world knew that and basically the only way to stop this kind of person and his country is to go to war with them and kill off the radicals. The world at the time was simply not ready, mainly because of the fact that the first world war had nearly blown the US and Europe smack into a depression. The world at the time was scared to declare war and take action because if they did go to war with Germany, they thought that what happened after WWI would happen again after this new war was over. Basically nobody was truly ready to fight such a large, radical nation, I mean, HOW could they fight a country when the rest of the world cut their militaries down to nothing and had nothing to fight with because of the treaty of versailles. the world wanted to move in a peaceful direction and to do so it meant doing away with weapons. This doing away with weapons happened right after WWI and throughout the 1920's and 30's. So exactly how can the world fight germany with little man power, no weapons and no money? Impossible. Dont say that they had pleanty of money to go around once the war really started, For example, Britain had so little money that the US had to supply them with war ships and guns and troops in exchange for a 100 year lease on several islands. There was simply no money to go around throughout the majority of the war, the only rerason why it took so long was because it takes a long time to develop weapons and pay for millions of soldiers when you have nothing to buy them with, it took years of financial planning and lending to countries to get the whole operation going and once it got going, it may have been a bit late, but we got involved, stopped Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo and learned to establish peace while keeping our militaries ready just incase something like this was to happen again so we will have a quicker response time in stopping whoever is doing bad in the world.