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At 7/10/08 09:48 PM, Zerok wrote:

At 7/10/08 09:41 PM, OhThisGuy wrote: I'm sure I'm very ignorant on the matter considering my specialty in educaton

The part of the post of yours I quoted had nothing to do with a psychological argument. Are you like, a first year student or something who didn't go to class?

You do realize that we study physiological and neurological processes

At 7/10/08 09:51 PM, OhThisGuy wrote: You do realize that we study physiological and neurological processes

You do realize you still have made no argument for yourself other then boasting an education that you have in no way proven you actually have.

At 7/10/08 09:04 PM, BlackFyre wrote: According to Newtonian physics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, merely "changed" from one form to another. With this in mind, it would be possible for the aftertlife to exist, if human spiritual energy behaves like it would in the physical world. In death, that energy might be released, but into what form, noone really knows.

I...was about to post that.

I guess it's the energy released what we call "soul". It's not a ghostie, it's the energy you release when you die. What does it do we also don't know.

Woah Im just gonna stay outta this one.

At 7/10/08 09:51 PM, OhThisGuy wrote: You do realize that we study physiological and neurological processes

Aye, Rideo.

Going back to the comment that inspired this little exchange, I shall point out now that in the history of SCIENCE, let alone psychology, no one has (and likely never will) conclusively prove (or even show vast support) for the notion that consciousness CANNOT persist after a brain dies. It is a matter of philosophy.

Also, if you were a good psychology student (or at least past first year) you'd be versed well enough in statistics to abandon the idea of thinking in black in white (i.e. stating with confidence that consciousness cannot exist after death).

Of course one could quibble over the operational definition of "consciousness" but I think it's pretty clear what the OP means.

At 7/10/08 09:56 PM, Michaelas10 wrote: Mind elaborating, sir? From Wikipedia:

I'm not refuting basic chemical processes. I'm expressing exasperation at the dire certainty these folks have of something that they could not possibly know.

As far as our instruments can tell, energy dissipates in the form of heat, blah blah, fine. But the perception of such a thing is unknowable until you experience in full and you can't exactly explain it to anyone else now, can you?

To say that once you die, you die, that's it, no more possible form of consciousness or being is just as frustratingly bull headed as some orthodox religious person claiming everything is because of God, no exceptions. Same attitude, different belief. Sure, there's controlled experimentation that backs up the OUTSIDE perception of necrosis and all that jazz, but in the grand scheme, we just. Don't. Know.

To refuse to consider other possibilities, alternatives to God or "nothing you just die" is the exact OPPOSITE of what science is: trying to make sense of the world. Ironic, huh?

When you die your brain stops working and you cease to exist.

You become the same state that you were before you were born.

Nothing.

At 7/10/08 10:01 PM, agustana wrote: "If DMT is smoked, injected, or orally ingested with an MAOI, it can produce powerful entheogenic experiences including true hallucinations."

You can buy it?

Yes you can buy it, it's very rare though. The DMT you smoke is usually different from the DMT you receive upon death, but it is also available (and probably even harder to find). I don't recommend you use DMT without having explored other, milder psychedelics first and/or having done some reading on the subject (check out DMT: The spirit molecule by Rick Strassman)