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I would really like to know why Shaggy keeps coming back to this "people came from rocks" bullshit. I thought it was established quite clearly already that that's not evolution.

If you break down a rock, in terms that actually make sense. He's talking about matter. Dust.

What he doesn't understand, that this is obviously possiible. Creator or not.

You know, why else, would we be able to have science that makes ANY sense....it's really not that hard.

The idiots that want to push through Intelligent Design through are ruining children's education. If you want America to be a the forefront of education, then you must teach the theory of evolution. If you want ID, it's America's loss because you going to produce scientifically illiterate adults and the U.S. will slip in educational standards and you'll be surpassed by Japan, India, Europe etc. in producing highly qualified students. They're going to wreck people's education, just to score religious points? Like God gives a fuck whether evolution is taught in public schools.

At 7/16/08 10:46 PM, Ansel wrote: I would really like to know why Shaggy keeps coming back to this "people came from rocks" bullshit. I thought it was established quite clearly already that that's not evolution.

He still use alts.

At 7/17/08 02:07 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: If you break down a rock, in terms that actually make sense. He's talking about matter. Dust.

What he doesn't understand, that this is obviously possiible. Creator or not.

You know, why else, would we be able to have science that makes ANY sense....it's really not that hard.

Actualy the theory of evolution does revolve around us coming from rocks.
They say the planet formed by shit flying into eachother, it rained and burned for millions of year n somhow from the chemicals not explained how they got there, somhow created a form of life that didn't just evolve to live forever but evolved to reproduce making more competition for food which isn't explained how the hell the "food" got there.

But no, please write me a message explaining your theory of evolution and how life was starting from the stupid big bang, I'd love to hear you contradict yourselves.

Evolution= big bang= rocks+ chemicals= life+ death= progress= (animals= humans meaning cats = dogs). the belief, that is what you believe in.

shaggy, seriously just leave this forum.

Come back in 20 years

At 7/21/08 04:10 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Evolution= big bang= rocks+ chemicals= life+ death= progress= (animals= humans meaning cats =

since you like equations, i'll fix yours.

? = big bang = matter = (planets, rocks, gases, etc...)
chemicals + ? = life
reproduction of life + X(variables) = evolution
evolution + time = life around us today

At 7/21/08 04:27 PM, poxpower wrote: shaggy, seriously just leave this forum.

Come back in 20 years

you heard the Uber mod shaggy

At 7/21/08 04:27 PM, poxpower wrote: shaggy, seriously just leave this forum.

Come back in 20 years

And then you could go along with him and become his 'when it pleases me' butt-buddy.

At 7/21/08 08:50 PM, Memorize wrote:

And then you could go along with him and become his 'when it pleases me' butt-buddy.

I think you're the only person yet who hasn't realized you're not very smart.
Like, you can stop bluffing now, we know, you're not fooling us by trying to patronize people with 10 times your knowledge on any given subject.

So... go read something. I suggest Playboy, it has enticing articles.

Shaggy.

What I say is nothing of what you respond.

Evolution comes from creation. The source is meaningless because we will never understand it. You can strive towards a common goal, a perceptual end that is possibly somewhat in line with he ultimate truth, but you can't rely on that.

You can't rely on anything. You have to accept everything and deal in nothings.

None of you understand fucking shit imo.

At 7/22/08 04:21 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: Shaggy.

What I say is nothing of what you respond.

It really took you this long?

That was like the first time I responded to shaggy.

I think I will sometime make a religion thread with guides to make it more meaningful maybe.

Because this shit is so pointless.

At 7/21/08 09:07 PM, poxpower wrote:

I think you're the only person yet who hasn't realized you're not very smart.

C'mon Poxy.

You and I both know you're just saying that because I absolutely love getting under your skin every now and then.

And coming from the guy who couldn't even get the vastly simple "chickenpox" comparison, what you say will truely have a lasting and warming affect on my heart.

Like, you can stop bluffing now, we know, you're not fooling us by trying to patronize people with 10 times your knowledge on any given subject.

I'm not the one going around talking about one's intelligence, now am I?

So... go read something. I suggest Playboy, it has enticing articles.

Oh, I'll be sure to do just as you do, in every way.

The best way to be tickled pink is to have a feather up your ass.

At 7/22/08 04:21 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: You can't rely on anything. You have to accept everything and deal in nothings.

None of you understand fucking shit imo.

How exactly does one function in a deterministic world under such a view? WHen everything and nothing are all equally possible, nothing can ever be said about anything, so why bother typing at all? Why bother trying to "change" other's viewpoints? They're all the same in validity under such an assumption, so you're the only real one with pov issues it seems. Your very insistence on trying to educate others on this "enlightenment" is a case in point that you, yourself, don't believe in it. By your own admission you must be a hypocrite of your own philosophy.

At 7/21/08 04:10 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: But no, please write me a message explaining your theory of evolution and how life was starting from the stupid big bang, I'd love to hear you contradict yourselves.

Evolution= big bang= rocks+ chemicals= life+ death= progress= (animals= humans meaning cats = dogs). the belief, that is what you believe in.

Lemme buss dis down for ya:

Religion = God = Creation = Animals = Red Panda = Fear of Red Panda = Malaise = Dystopia = 666 = THE DEVIL = Hot Sauce = FURTHER DEVILRY = ?????!? = DOOM FOR ALL = Rocks

I don't write the rules of pretending to use equations in rhetoric, I just does it.

At 7/21/08 09:07 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 7/21/08 08:50 PM, Memorize wrote: And then you could go along with him and become his 'when it pleases me' butt-buddy.

I think you're the only person yet who hasn't realized you're not very smart.

Hahahahaha.

the thing about this forum is, pretty much all the regs are smart. So we don't need/want people like Memorize telling us how he's so much smarter since he got a B in philosophy; we're all intelligent enough to understand, analyse and transmit information.

JackPhantasm is kinda the same in these debates but I like him more so he grates less. Ravariel shot down his whole worldview in the same way I've done a million times tho, I don't get how you can get out of bed or plan for the future if nothing is less valid than anything else.

But yeah Memorize, stop pretending your SO MUCH SMARTER than the rest of us. Like Elfer actually IS, and he's PROVEN it, and even he doesn't go on about it.

At 7/22/08 12:09 PM, Earfetish wrote:

But yeah Memorize, stop pretending your SO MUCH SMARTER than the rest of us. Like Elfer actually IS, and he's PROVEN it, and even he doesn't go on about it.

I'm not the one talking about Intelligence.
I'm not the one saying that i'm smarter than anybody else.

All I did was set up a situation where all of you decided to play double standard. I didn't say a single thing that the scientific community wouldn't do, and many of you disagreed, not liking what they would do.

So it's hardly my fault for your complete ineptitude.

Funny how i'm lauded for criticizing religion, but when I apply those same standards to the other side, i'm suddenly accused of making claims that i'm smarter than everybody else, when all I did was present a situation of what these scientists would do.

One double standard is doing nothing about the Theory of Origin being taught, but being so opposed to ID when they are both in the same boat.

I mean, why don't you ask Elfer about that one? Haha!

At 7/22/08 12:09 PM, Earfetish wrote:

Hahahahaha.

Don't you ever what it's like to be like shaggy?
hmmm Actually I guess I do sort of understand.

It's like if I say that sports fishing is retarded. I don't want to listen to videos about sports fishing and read articles about how wrong I am and how it's a great and noble sport. My mind's made up: fishing fish out of the water and then putting them back is retarded.

There's maybe some great arguments out there, but I don't care to find them.

But the part where it gets hazy is that if I was shaggy, I would sign up on a fishing forum and just say how it's stupid. Like, for months I would tell them it's stupid without ever watching any videos, reading their replies or trying to understand anything.

And that's only if you admit shaggy is like remotely intelligent. More likely he's got sort sort of goldfish-like attention span that reverts back to his first memory of any given subject without any hope of learning more about it.

And that's why I think he never finished or will finish high school.

outside of Kansas/Alabama

At 7/22/08 12:09 PM, Earfetish wrote:
JackPhantasm is kinda the same in these debates but I like him more so he grates less.

Well. I think the main difference is I try to be inquisitive more so than belligerent. The latter gets the best of me sometimes. But I'm working on it. :)

At 7/22/08 05:18 AM, Ravariel wrote:
How exactly does one function in a deterministic world under such a view?

THe way everyone else does? Logic?

When everything and nothing are all equally possible, nothing can ever be said about anything, so why bother typing at all?

But you can say everything about anything. That's why information is so cool.

Why bother trying to "change" other's viewpoints? They're all the same in validity under such an assumption, so you're the only real one with pov issues it seems.

Again I'm not necessarily trying to change anything, I'm just furthering my learning of information.

Your very insistence on trying to educate others on this "enlightenment" is a case in point that you, yourself, don't believe in it.

Well this thread's about intelligent design. I juxtapose a moot point I suppose. But now you're going to talk about my beliefs? Okay. Well, I've already said that I believe in everything. "open to all possibility." as others would say. My eggs are in every basket basically. At least I try to think that way. Of course I don't even believe it yet, that's part of the learning process.

By your own admission you must be a hypocrite of your own philosophy.

On what front? I have my flaws. All I can do is try my best.

At 7/22/08 01:41 PM, JackPhantasm wrote:

How exactly does one function in a deterministic world under such a view?

THe way everyone else does? Logic?

But when logic and not-logic are equal in your philosophy, why then do you choose logic over not-logic?

When everything and nothing are all equally possible, nothing can ever be said about anything, so why bother typing at all?

But you can say everything about anything. That's why information is so cool.

That's not information, it's noise. When you can't determine the truth of any statement because any possibility is possible and equally likely, then it all becomes gibberish.

By your own admission you must be a hypocrite of your own philosophy.

On what front? I have my flaws. All I can do is try my best.

To have any opinion is hyppocritical if you're stated position is that you "believe in everything", because to have an opinion is to choose one out of many possibilities. By choosing one, you give it greater import over others, which you state are all equally valid. Again, how does such a philosophy gain you knowledge, when every bit of data is considered equally true? When I tell you that goblins make the moon glow, by your own philosophy you HAVE to take that as just as valid an explanation as the one where it's reflected light from the sun. And how does that advance your knowledge at all? How is that logical?

At 7/22/08 01:51 PM, Ravariel wrote:
But when logic and not-logic are equal in your philosophy, why then do you choose logic over not-logic?

Scientific observation.

But you can say everything about anything. That's why information is so cool.

That's not information, it's noise. When you can't determine the truth of any statement because any possibility is possible and equally likely, then it all becomes gibberish.

Yeah a level of being specific is necessary, always, to hold a conversation.

On what front? I have my flaws. All I can do is try my best.

To have any opinion is hyppocritical if you're stated position is that you "believe in everything", because to have an opinion is to choose one out of many possibilities.

Of course one has to make decisions. This choice is again arrived at by scientific observation.

One has to respect the apparent laws of reality.

By choosing one, you give it greater import over others,

Everything is important. I see that every thing I do as leading up to this. Or, at the very least, a piece of it. So all actions are equal.

which you state are all equally valid. Again, how does such a philosophy gain you knowledge, when every bit of data is considered equally true?

I never said I thought everything was true. I just said I believed in everything.

When I tell you that goblins make the moon glow, by your own philosophy you HAVE to take that as just as valid an explanation

Again validity has nothing to do with it. I of course would see that as a thought, as a possibility. That doesn't mean it's logically probable.

I'll recite a particularly good reply by the user Terrorofdeath.

Here it is.

Well dude for start off congrats on being an idoit. Ok I will say this right now i am a christian, Lutheran. I dont care if people make fun of me or not. There are so many things i want to say but im not ganna go on a rant, well mabye i will.. The reason peole follow a god not the God is because people need something to cling to in life. For tards like you who just say that you go through life to go through it. Will there be wars? the awnser is yes. It is called HUMAN NATURE. It happened after the fall fo Adam and Eve. As i was saying earlier beliving in something gives people a small word u have never heard of, called hope. Mabye you shoud check out a church.

Next off you wont find god. why would god come to a world full of sin, as you said he is perfect how could a non perfect being make everything you see, hear, all those good senses. You jsut keep talking about space. WOOPDIE FRIGGIN doo there is space is there any other life in space. Prolly not, but if there is we wont find it in my lifetime.

Next onto the insanity thing. You obivoulsy dont believe in anything at all. There is a reason go to war for their as you gods. in most insontaces god has nothing to do with it. Now i will say the war we are in right now with Iraq and the middle east all started because the Middle Easterns have a very strong beliefe in the Muslim faith and in allah. Not all muslims are bad. But these people believe that there bible says that all those who are not muslum must die. I myself will agree with you that these people are crazy, but you cannot say that all religions are like that. My faith is not. I will use Hinduism as an example. Hindus belive that if they live a good life they will be reincarnated as a better being or even animal. I forgot which one believes in Nirvaana but that is anther example. Before u generalize all beliefes in to one catagory you should perhaps study other religions. OR mabye you should go to chruch so you dont go to hell, and learn to respect other cultures. Just because were not all as retarted as you doesnt mean you have to the right to disrespect o what 98-99.5% of the world buy saying there is no religion.

Also before i post this i went back and re read and you contradict yourself in the paragraph were u said the universe ahs no end or begining and thus where would a creater be. HOW IN THE HELL DOES A FREAKING UNIVERSE just pop up. It doesnt that is why most scientist believe in a creator. The wont say it is a god because that goes against the laws of science but they are just made man laws. There is no awnser to that question. Also how do the plantes become created. Where did the atoms that everything is made up from come from. You have no awnsers for any of this.

The bible you said is a bunch of made stories. Have you read the bible? Have you ever looked at the gospels or even teh old testiment. It is recorded data. From a christian aspect look at the books of 1st and 2nd king and 1st and 2nd chronicals. Even the Jews believe this to be part of their history with the kings and the defeats and the wars listed in this book. When 2 differet religions can agree on a fact along these lines it says something. Also the muslim faith stems off of the story of Abraham. Look it up, im right. You can trace most things back to the bible. You can even use most roman history and trace to teh gospels. If you go read the Bible perferribly a Concordance(has more information) and you read the intros to most of the books, it gives you historical data of how you can trace the books back to the time they were written. But the one thing you cannot understand the aspect of Faith. For everyone who thinks im an idiot for writting this that is what you dont have faith in the Lord.

So my friend if you do read this give me your thoughts on how the universe everything we have today came into existance. And dont pull the whole there were billions and trillions of years of nothingness cause if there was nothing how does it become something? or the whole it was all chance it was around a 1 in 100000000000000000,0000000000000 chance. But whatever if i change some1's mind about religion then im happy.

All this teen has to say

It was good huh?

Fucking moron can't even spell "idiot" properly.

At 7/23/08 06:06 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Fucking moron can't even spell "idiot" properly.

You didn't read further than that either?
Damn.

I'm pretty sure the safest place to hide the meaning of life is in the middle of a 500 word rant by a religious teenager. No one will EVER look there.

Have you read the bible? Have you ever looked at the gospels or even teh old testiment.

In the original Koine Greek.

Stick that up your rant and smoke it.

At 7/23/08 05:58 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Well dude for start off congrats on being an idoit.

What's an idolt?

Is it Apples new range of people which can store up to 1000 conspiracy theories before breaking down in the realisation that they're entire beleif system has absolutley no base to it other than something they once read on the internet written by someone with no clue about what they're on about?

Or is it a move from Street Fighter? I'm sure I remember someone shouting ' IDOLT!' and firing out a ball of chi or something.

You give theists a bad name Shaggy. Just stop please. For all that is holy, and this is coming from
someone who beleives in God, just stop.

At 7/23/08 06:28 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

You give theists a bad name Shaggy. Just stop please. For all that is holy, and this is coming from
someone who beleives in God, just stop.

You should pray for him to stop just to see if it works.

At 7/23/08 05:58 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote: Well dude for It happened after the fall fo Adam and Eve.

::::
I managed to get as far as this !

Just a couple of small questions.
If there was only Adam & Eve.... where did all the genetic diversity in humans come from ?
Why are there different races of humans, if we all started out with the same 2 ancestors?

Why is it impossible today to have dear old Mom & Dad have a bunch of kids & then let them reproduce with each other & not end up with a the physical & mental retardation problems that happen if you try it now ?

Why doesn't every tribe & group of people all across this planet, speak of our original ancestors ?
Just the Abrahamic faiths speak of this.

4 Simple little questions.

At 7/23/08 06:29 PM, poxpower wrote: You should pray for him to stop just to see if it works.

Aint no amount of praying gonna make him go away. trust me, I've tried. Whenever I read one of his psots I end up going 'Oh god...' and wishing he'd vanish.